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Another dumb-ass PC question: registry cleaners

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Created by Mark _australia > 9 months ago, 1 May 2009
cisco
QLD, 12337 posts
3 May 2009 11:36AM
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For reformatting I use a free program from www.ntfs.com called "Kill Disk".

Don't be afraid of the name. What it does is rewrite the disk into all 0's. The free version only does one pass but you can do it a few times over to be sure.

This will get rid of any hidden partitions that many PC vendors put on HDDs.

The program can be downloaded onto a floppy (what's that ) or a bootable CD.

Normal formatting does'nt wipe the data from the disk, it just tags it as being writeable so therefore if you have bad heebly greeblys on your disk they will stay behind after formatting.

After running "kill disk" simply insert your OS disk and rebuild your system.

Avast anti virus is the flavour of the month these days. I have heard that AVG will soon no longer be free. I think Avast has anti spy ware built in. Ad Aware from Lavasoft still seems to work OK.

With Avast, Ad Aware and XP's firewall my PC seems to remain trouble free. If you want to run an online analysis of your PC try www.pcpitstop.com .

Mark _australia
WA, 22423 posts
3 May 2009 3:59PM
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Do I reformat and then run kill disk, or just run kill disk on my PC as is, with everything installed - and then I have an 'as new' HDD?

OceanBlue64
VIC, 980 posts
3 May 2009 7:11PM
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Before you format your hdd, just make sure you have all your driver discs. ie. motherboard, sound card, video card etc. If you dont have them, d/l them from the manufacturers site and burn them to disc.
Can be a real pain in the a$$ to find 1/2 through the install that you dont have all the drivers - esp if you dont have the modem up and running and cant d/l the drivers you need. The generic drivers with windows wont always work.

decrepit
WA, 12166 posts
3 May 2009 7:11PM
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Don't think you can't reformat while booted in windows, if you did it would erase itself.
The only way I know how to do it is with a "live CD".

This virtually what the install CD is, you have to make sure the bios is set to boot of a CD, then the software on the CD looks after everything. Usually the bios can read the CD drive, I think the drivers are for the more complicated stuff.

Not sure if the install CD gives you a reformat option.

Zabongi
NSW, 40 posts
3 May 2009 9:21PM
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Before going crazy on a reformat, have you got enough RAM? Just go Crtl+Alt+Del and choose task manager.

I found recently that my physical memory was less than I was using (Commit Charge). Windows has a habit of sneaking a bit more memory for every update it applies and getting very bloated.

Extra RAM cost me $100 and improved the speed a lot.

evlPanda
NSW, 9202 posts
3 May 2009 9:22PM
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Mark: It depends.

If you bought your PC from a generic manufacturer, Dell, HP, Toshiba etc. you can probably just pop in the Windows installation disk that came with it. It will probably give you an option to reinstall everything.

Click "Yes".
Click "Yes, I really want to do this".
Click "Yes really, I am really absolutely sure".
Wait 20 minutes. It's going to be that easy.

If you didn't get a generic PC you'll need all the driver disks, well Motherboard, CD etc, low level stuff. It'll be a bit harder. Things like sound card you can find on web later, if even needed. I've worked in I.T. for 8 years, do some complex programming but if my PC is kaput I just dial tech support on 55555. In other words don't feel too stupid, I dunno how they work either.

Mark _australia
WA, 22423 posts
3 May 2009 8:20PM
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I'm compfused now. I think I'll just drop $300 ish on a secondhand (like 1 y/o) sh!thot PC with no monitor / keyboard / speakers etc and then later fiddle with this one to reformat and make it my kid's one. He's 4 and is strating to play educational games etc a little.

poor relative
WA, 9089 posts
3 May 2009 8:50PM
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Did ccleaner work?

Mark _australia
WA, 22423 posts
3 May 2009 8:55PM
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poor relative said...

Did ccleaner work?


Yeah I like it as it kills two birds with one stone ('net cleanup and registry).

I have deleted a whole bunch of unused applications (about 15 or so) with Revo Uninstaller that uninstalls (duh) and also removs the registry entries associated with those programs.

Got my number of processes (according to taak manager) down from about 90 to 62 and then used CCleaner as well and then defrag'd so it is a little faster now but not ideal

cisco
QLD, 12337 posts
4 May 2009 2:02AM
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Mark _australia said...

Do I reformat and then run kill disk, or just run kill disk on my PC as is, with everything installed - and then I have an 'as new' HDD?


Step1. Save all the data you want to keep on something. (ie thumb drive, CD or DVD, external HDD what ever.)

Step 2. Insert the floppy or bootable CD on which you have "kill disk" into the appropriate drive.

Step 3. Reboot your computer and during boot hit delete or F2 or F10 or whichever key you need to hit to enter the BIOS and set the computer to boot from the drive that has the "kill disk" program in it and let it boot.

Step 4. You will then have a DOS type page on the screen. Navigate this with your key board to run the "kill disk" program. This will erase ALL data from your HDD and write it all to zeros instead of ones and zeros as it is now.

Depending on how large your HDD is you might consider doing something else instead of sitting in front of a PC screen. Make a cup of coffee and start reading a book is one option. The program may take an hour or more to do it's task depending on your processor speed.

The free version will do one pass over the drive but you can rerun it 9 times like the paid version if you want. I think once is enough but I have run it twice usually when I have used it.

This should restore the HDD to the same condition as it came from the manufacturer.

Step 5. Remove the "kill disk" disk and insert your Operating System disk and reboot your computer. If you ran "kill disk" from a floppy drive, during the reboot reset your computer to boot from the CD drive.

Step 6. Reload your system as per the on screen prompts.

If your PC originally shipped with Windows XP, the Windows disk will have most or all of the drivers you need to get the computer going. If you have driver disks for various components they will be handy. XP will need to be updated to service pack 3.

If you bugger it all up, take it to your local computer shop, tell them what you have done and they will probably fix it all up for $50 - $100.

If your PC originally shipped with any thing earlier than Windows 2000, you should give a salt water flotation test before doing anything else.

colinwill78
VIC, 1395 posts
8 May 2009 3:16PM
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How do you re-boot Vista without a disk. Got the laptop from Shop without a disk.
our old one was a piece of piss. just stck the start-up cd in answer a few questions and away you go.
But no disk...what do i do?? should i have rceived a disk, or do we re-boot computers from a partition on the gard drive...... i don't know if i'll even understand the answers given how **** i am at asking questions

cisco
QLD, 12337 posts
9 May 2009 1:07PM
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With the popular consensus on Vista being thumbs down, get hold of an XP disk and do what I said above. It took me a while to become a convert from Win 98SE to XP but I bought a new Dell Dimension E520 about three years ago and it has never missed a beat. It has been running on the original install all that time and I think it has had only one recovery form a serious error.

XP Professional is probably the best version of Windows ever.

Cal
QLD, 1003 posts
9 May 2009 2:04PM
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^^^^
prblem is they arnt supporting XP after this year, which means other software packages will not support xp.....

busterwa
3777 posts
9 May 2009 2:33PM
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Just follow this gentlemens simple step by step guide when dealing with vista.

cisco
QLD, 12337 posts
9 May 2009 8:35PM
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I LIKE it.LOL

Sailhack
VIC, 5000 posts
10 May 2009 3:11PM
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cisco said...

XP Professional is probably the best version of Windows ever.


You're right there!

Busterwa...nice vid!

I made the mistake of buying a laptop and actually 'requesting' a Vista OS about 2yrs ago...about 6mths ago I finished getting all my software to work on it, and got rid of the bugs...I like Vista's interface, but it is high maintenance!



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