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Created by doggie > 9 months ago, 28 Jun 2012
doggie
WA, 15849 posts
28 Jun 2012 2:12PM
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What do we do about the boats.

It seems to me that they are tipping the boats them selves to get help.

More people will die if this keeps up and the pollies just keep arguing about it

If you were in power, what would you do?

Scotty88
4214 posts
28 Jun 2012 2:24PM
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Whatever Howard's policies were, go back to them. Offshore processing worked as reduced the boats to almost zero. Nauru I recall was used.

Now over to the Loony Lefts for their counter to this.

Edit: I recall offshore processing gave the refugees less legal access,rights,etc.

Mobydisc
NSW, 9028 posts
28 Jun 2012 4:24PM
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I'd remove Christmas Island from Australia and evacuate the place. Any boat people that turn up there are welcomed to it.

The place is costing the Australian taxpayers a fortune and they get absolutely nothing in return besides angst, heartache and huge bills as crappy little boats sail from Java about 300 kms to Christmas Island. None of them have any chance or any intention of actually sailing to Australia. Australia is about 6 times as far away.

It gives me the sh!ts when these boats are described as trying to get to Australia when they are doing nothing of the sort. They trying to get to a little rock in the middle of the Indian Ocean that somehow Australia got hold of.

Mark _australia
WA, 22296 posts
28 Jun 2012 2:24PM
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I call this thread 8 pages in say, 5 days.

harry potter
VIC, 2777 posts
28 Jun 2012 4:43PM
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Scotty88 said...

Whatever Howard's policies were, go back to them. Offshore processing worked as reduced the boats to almost zero. Nauru I recall was used.

Now over to the Loony Lefts for their counter to this.

Edit: I recall offshore processing gave the refugees less legal access,rights,etc.


X2
It worked before, Labor and they know it but just can't bring themselves to admit it publicly.

Gunna1
154 posts
28 Jun 2012 2:44PM
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A few options really, just needs somebody (a pollie) with the foresight to stand up and do it.
1 - halve the aid we give Indonesia until they fulfill their responsibiltiy and also demand they stop the corrupt officials that take the money off the boat people.
2 -everybody caught entering Oz not by the proper channels, (air or sea, Afgan, Sri lankan, English, US, doesn't matter) should be loaded on a plane and shipped back the nearest Refugee camp to their home country and the next in line in those camps, who have been waiting and applying by the proper channels, bought back on the same plane and thoroughly checked and vetted as to their authenticity. If they meet the criteria, welcolme aboard, otherwise back to their home country.

felixdcat
WA, 3519 posts
28 Jun 2012 2:49PM
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Mark _australia said...

I call this thread 8 pages in say, 5 days.



If not you will change your name to Adolf Benito????

Scotty88
4214 posts
28 Jun 2012 2:49PM
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This Labor Party will send us broke and into third world status anyway. All we need is a civil war and they won't want to come here anyway.

felixdcat
WA, 3519 posts
28 Jun 2012 2:54PM
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They are economic refugees they are having trouble in their country of origin to get work and earn a living. Just model what we do to to what the USA do at the mexican border.
This has nothing to do with the agreement we signed with the ONU on the political refugees!

whippingboy
WA, 1104 posts
28 Jun 2012 3:10PM
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Black or White, Plane or Boat ?

NoBS
WA, 908 posts
28 Jun 2012 3:13PM
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We have enough to deal with when it comes to Euro's overstaying their visas.


kiteboy dave
QLD, 6525 posts
28 Jun 2012 5:20PM
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doggie said...


It seems to me that they are tipping the boats them selves to get help.


FFS do you honestly think that? Really? Seriously? Or just trolling for bites..?

NoBS
WA, 908 posts
28 Jun 2012 3:36PM
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doggie said...

What do we do about the boats.

It seems to me that they are tipping the boats them selves to get help.

More people will die if this keeps up and the pollies just keep arguing about it

If you were in power, what would you do?






Here's a deterent

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
28 Jun 2012 3:37PM
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kiteboy dave said...

doggie said...


It seems to me that they are tipping the boats them selves to get help.


FFS do you honestly think that? Really? Seriously? Or just trolling for bites..?


Well the last three have tipped, whats to say they arnt doing it?

I did say "it seems" dave, meaning they could be doing it. I never said they "were" doing it. Skim reading I know its hard.

evlPanda
NSW, 9202 posts
28 Jun 2012 5:45PM
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^ Perhaps because they are 100's of KM out to sea, and none of them can swim? ARE YOU TROLLING MAN, or just stupid? Serious question.

Scotty88 said...

Whatever Howard's policies were, go back to them. Offshore processing worked as reduced the boats to almost zero. Nauru I recall was used.

Now over to the Loony Lefts for their counter to this.

Edit: I recall offshore processing gave the refugees less legal access,rights,etc.


Seriously WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THE LIBERAL PARTY?

They used to be quite good. I've voted for them more than anyone. Is it because they had to form a coalition with The Nationals? Is that what it is? The current batch are bat**** insane. They make no sense, and inspire no confidence from me.

The so called "loony left" is trying to get a bill passed that would allow offshore processing to happen at Nauru again. The Libs, of course say "no". They say no to everything. No. No. No. doesn't matter what it is they just oppose the government on everything lest they contend a point to them.

This is not the Liberal government I knew. Malcolm Fraser, the previous Liberal Prime-Minister, has left the party. The Prime Minister has left his own party. (Do we still call him that or is it just an American thing?)

I think that pretty much says it all, or is some loony Liberal fundamentalist going to say "no"?

jamdfingr
QLD, 663 posts
28 Jun 2012 5:50PM
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Yep, dump Christmas island, off shore processing in Naru!

When you look at the most recent boat sinkings, they are closer to Indonesia then to us. I am all for saving people on the ocean but where is the indo navy? Why do we steam all the way over there instead of indonesia who are so much closer and can render assistance quicker!

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
28 Jun 2012 3:53PM
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jamdfingr said...

Yep, dump Christmas island, off shore processing in Naru!

When you look at the most recent boat sinkings, they are closer to Indonesia then to us. I am all for saving people on the ocean but where is the indo navy? Why do we steam all the way over there instead of indonesia who are so much closer and can render assistance quicker!


Problem is they arnt Indo asylum seekers, its only the smugglers that are Indos mostly <<(thats a disclaimer dave)

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
28 Jun 2012 4:08PM
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jamdfingr said...

Yep, dump Christmas island, off shore processing in Naru!

When you look at the most recent boat sinkings, they are closer to Indonesia then to us. I am all for saving people on the ocean but where is the indo navy? Why do we steam all the way over there instead of indonesia who are so much closer and can render assistance quicker!


The politicisation of asylum seekers has made it near impossible to have a sensible policy debate, federal Labor frontbencher Penny Wong says.

The senate is debating laws that would allow the government to implement its people-swap deal with Malaysia and permit the reopening of a detention centre on Nauru.

However the bill, which cleared the lower house on Wednesday night, faces defeat in the Senate where the combined vote of the coalition and the Greens outnumber Labor.

During debate on Thursday, Finance Minister Penny Wong reflected on the historical context of the debate and her entry to parliament following the 2001 election when the asylum seeker issue dominated after the Tampa incident.

"It was an election that was a regrettable milestone in Australian politics," Senator Wong said.

The Malaysian-born Labor senator singled out then coalition prime minister John Howard.

"This same prime minister and ministers in his government engaged in the most brutal politicking of the asylum seeker issue in the lead-up to the election," she said.

Howard government ministers had called asylum seekers queue jumpers, a pipeline of terrorists and had refused to let children out of mandatory detention, she told the chamber.

"Politicisation of this area has made it near impossible to have a sensible policy debate... that has led to this gridlock," Senator Wong said.

She called for parliament to return to the "sensible centre" and step away from extreme views.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8491146

Gorgo
VIC, 4968 posts
28 Jun 2012 6:09PM
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harry potter said...
....It worked before, Labor and they know it but just can't bring themselves to admit it publicly.



Based on no evidence at all (and counter to the previous experience) I am not so sure it did work. The boats did reduce for a while but I am not sure why. Just because it appeared to work in the past does not mean it will work again.

The reason being, interviews with asylum seekers said they were quite happy to be locked up for a while. They said it was a small price to pay for Australian residency. All the people who were sent to Nauru did end up in Australia. So how is offshore processing a disincentive to jump on a boat.

As for the asylum seekers sinking their own boats, the last one had a satellite phone and everybody had life jackets on. There is no incentive for the people smugglers to do any of this (unless they are charging more for the super deluxe submarine tour of Australia). Once they have their money they could not care less what happens to the people.

boofy
NSW, 2110 posts
28 Jun 2012 6:11PM
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doggie said...

kiteboy dave said...

doggie said...


It seems to me that they are tipping the boats them selves to get help.


FFS do you honestly think that? Really? Seriously? Or just trolling for bites..?


Well the last three have tipped, whats to say they arnt doing it?

I did say "it seems" dave, meaning they could be doing it. I never said they "were" doing it. Skim reading I know its hard.


Maybe when they get close to Christmas Island someone yells out " look look land" they all run to one side and over she goes just sayin

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
28 Jun 2012 4:14PM
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Gorgo said...

harry potter said...
....It worked before, Labor and they know it but just can't bring themselves to admit it publicly.



Based on no evidence at all (and counter to the previous experience) I am not so sure it did work. The boats did reduce for a while but I am not sure why. Just because it appeared to work in the past does not mean it will work again.

The reason being, interviews with asylum seekers said they were quite happy to be locked up for a while. They said it was a small price to pay for Australian residency. All the people who were sent to Nauru did end up in Australia. So how is offshore processing a disincentive to jump on a boat.

As for the asylum seekers sinking their own boats, the last one had a satellite phone and everybody had life jackets on. There is no incentive for the people smugglers to do any of this (unless they are charging more for the super deluxe submarine tour of Australia). Once they have their money they could not care less what happens to the people.



I just think its weired how they have suddenly started sinking, they didnt before but they are now. It just seems a bit strange to me.

I guess we are picking up the tab for picking them up as well

jamdfingr
QLD, 663 posts
28 Jun 2012 6:28PM
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doggie said...

jamdfingr said...

Yep, dump Christmas island, off shore processing in Naru!

When you look at the most recent boat sinkings, they are closer to Indonesia then to us. I am all for saving people on the ocean but where is the indo navy? Why do we steam all the way over there instead of indonesia who are so much closer and can render assistance quicker!


Problem is they arnt Indo asylum seekers, its only the smugglers that are Indos mostly <<(thats a disclaimer dave)


I'm saying it's a proximity thing. If a boat load of asylum seekers goes down in the strait of Gibraltar, we wouldt go there to rescue them? It's closer for Indonesia to save them and this would mean faster response and less lives lost!

whippingboy
WA, 1104 posts
28 Jun 2012 4:38PM
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Interesting point Jamd

How do we find out the boats in trouble ?

Isn't the responsibilty of the nearest vessell to render assistance ?

We could always tell the yanks there's a boat load of Terrorists heading for Barrow Island, they'd be looked after then

I also note this has become an issue just as the real facts of the Slipper and Thomson case are coming to light.

All a bit suss if you ask me , but then that would be a conspiracy theory

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
28 Jun 2012 4:46PM
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jamdfingr said...

doggie said...

jamdfingr said...

Yep, dump Christmas island, off shore processing in Naru!

When you look at the most recent boat sinkings, they are closer to Indonesia then to us. I am all for saving people on the ocean but where is the indo navy? Why do we steam all the way over there instead of indonesia who are so much closer and can render assistance quicker!


Problem is they arnt Indo asylum seekers, its only the smugglers that are Indos mostly <<(thats a disclaimer dave)


I'm saying it's a proximity thing. If a boat load of asylum seekers goes down in the strait of Gibraltar, we wouldt go there to rescue them? It's closer for Indonesia to save them and this would mean faster response and less lives lost!



Agree on that but the smugglers have got their money and I dont think they would care too much about their passengers once they got to a certain point. Sad

Macroscien
QLD, 6806 posts
28 Jun 2012 7:13PM
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I would do a one favour for those brave arriving from Indonesia to Australia on windurfing boards (kites too included )
free access without the needs for asylum camps procedure.

log man
VIC, 8289 posts
28 Jun 2012 7:14PM
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Our little talk here demonstrates the success that Howard, Reith, Andrews, Morrison, and Abbott have had in the politicization of the Boat people "debate". They realized they were on a winner after the Tampa and they've never failed to blow the dog whistle that resonates in mainstream Australia. The FEAR of foreigners, the invasion from the north. Even the language......."Border Security"....it makes refugees on a boat sound like a threat to our sovereignty. "illegals".....not people, not refos but somehow not real people. And the whole terrorist link, even though it's totally mad, still gets brought up in conversation.
When you look at the many ,many issues that confront Australia the whole "boat people" thing is pretty overblown. Yes, people have died, that's a tragedy but the sight of Abbott and Morrison crying crocodile tears about the drowning of refugees just makes me sick. Nothing will make Abbott and co end this issue.....the more refugees that get on boats the happier they are.

SandS
VIC, 5904 posts
28 Jun 2012 7:18PM
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This is the answer !!!!

We send our boats to get who ever wants to come here.

They sign a contract to work in any field we choose for five years .

In return they will be fed and housed on site ( near the job )

A small hourly rate would be paid say $8 ph or piece work rates for picking fruit etc .


This solves the asylum seekers problems and our problem of over inflated wages and lack of productivity .

The trade unions will have to just pull there head in and get over themselves .

Gizmo
SA, 2865 posts
28 Jun 2012 6:59PM
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And now for a musical interlude.....


Gizmo
SA, 2865 posts
28 Jun 2012 7:28PM
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News Flash from our Northern Area of Australia.....


The Australian Navy intercepted three boatloads of people off the North West coast of Australia.
This placed the Navy in an awkward position as the boats were heading not away from, but towards Indonesia.
Another surprise finding was that they were loaded with Australians who were all seniors of pension age.
Their claim was that they were trying to get to Indonesia so as to be able to return to Australia as immigrants and therefore be entitled to far more benefits than they were receiving as legitimate Australian pensioners.
The Navy it is believed gave them food, water and fuel and assisted them on their journey north.
We are booking the next boat out, let me know if you want to come too.

Tractorguy
TAS, 542 posts
28 Jun 2012 8:27PM
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Mobydisc said...

I'd remove Christmas Island from Australia and evacuate the place. Any boat people that turn up there are welcomed to it.

The place is costing the Australian taxpayers a fortune and they get absolutely nothing in return besides angst, heartache and huge bills as crappy little boats sail from Java about 300 kms to Christmas Island. None of them have any chance or any intention of actually sailing to Australia. Australia is about 6 times as far away.

It gives me the sh!ts when these boats are described as trying to get to Australia when they are doing nothing of the sort. They trying to get to a little rock in the middle of the Indian Ocean that somehow Australia got hold of.



yeh you nailed it 350 klicks from indo and 2 or 3 thou from australia wtf
are there any aussies on the island ?
or bring back the TPV the howard gov installed few years back it stopped them for a couple of years.
If that doesnot work stop the incentives, free phones cash internet access durries blah blah blah. They wont come if there is nothing here for them.

Or does the govt want them coming ? population increases so on, international resposibilities.
I think they need to stay home so they dont risk there lives on such a risky trip.

worrier
WA, 726 posts
28 Jun 2012 6:54PM
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whippingboy said...

Interesting point Jamd

How do we find out the boats in trouble ?

Isn't the responsibilty of the nearest vessell to render assistance ?

We could always tell the yanks there's a boat load of Terrorists heading for Barrow Island, they'd be looked after then

I also note this has become an issue just as the real facts of the Slipper and Thomson case are coming to light.

All a bit suss if you ask me , but then that would be a conspiracy theory


How do we know the boats in trouble? Am I missing something here? every single one of these boats has called Australia before they start sinking asking for help on a mobile phone! All their relatives in Aussie know exactly when they are leaving and how many are on the boats etc. Its not a secret operation goin on.
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