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Created by evlPanda > 9 months ago, 11 Jul 2011
evlPanda

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11 Jul 2011 6:51PM
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www.science.org.au/reports/climatechange2010.pdf

Audio version: www.science.org.au/policy/audio/AAS%20climate%20statement%20audio%2016%20Aug%2010.mp3


A lot more here:
http://www.science.org.au/policy/climatechange.html




cisco

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12 Jul 2011 2:54AM
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I am not going through the reams of reading on those sites.

Are you prepared to give us a precis first??

log man

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12 Jul 2011 10:08AM
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evlPanda said...

http://www.science.org.au/reports/climatechange2010.pdf

Audio version: www.science.org.au/policy/audio/AAS%20climate%20statement%20audio%2016%20Aug%2010.mp3


A lot more here:
www.science.org.au/policy/climatechange.html







No Panda, I've tried this site before and got a very frosty response. I spose if you have an anti science position then you want to bury your head in the sand about this site.

FlySurfer

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12 Jul 2011 3:09PM
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log man said...

evlPanda said...

http://www.science.org.au/reports/climatechange2010.pdf

Audio version: www.science.org.au/policy/audio/AAS%20climate%20statement%20audio%2016%20Aug%2010.mp3


A lot more here:
www.science.org.au/policy/climatechange.html



No Panda, I've tried this site before and got a very frosty response. I spose if you have an anti science position then you want to bury your head in the sand about this site.


Science deals with testable predictions, pseudoscience deals with untestable predictions, exaggerated claims and obscures the facts.

Your pseudoscience said sea levels were supposed to be 2m higher by now.
My science said there would be no change given a constant solar output.

evlPanda

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12 Jul 2011 3:50PM
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FlySurfer said...
... exaggerated claims and obscures the facts.


and then...


Your pseudoscience said sea levels were supposed to be 2m higher by now.


Sabalo

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12 Jul 2011 1:53PM
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wow science really is the new religion/s
"my science is better than your science"
and from a lurker thanks to all who contribute, most entertaining

evlPanda

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12 Jul 2011 3:59PM
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So what camps do we have in the end?

A) There is no such thing as global warming.
Aa) It's all a power grab by politicians/the U.N./Socialists
Ab) It's all a money grab by Companies.
Ac) Aa + Ab (perhaps aliens too)

B) There is global warming but it's not human made.
Ba) There is a chance the data is completely wrong, haven't considered "something else we don't know about"
Bb) The data is skewed on purpose
Bc) Science doesn't know what it's talking about.

C) There is global warming but a tax won't stop it.
Ca) They should provide stimulus for eco stuff (what the tax does, $10b)
Cb) Things will just get more expensive and achieve nothing.

D) There is global warming and a carbon tax is a good start
Da) Doesn't do enough (it will rise until 2014(ish))
Db) Seems like a good option.


CMC

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12 Jul 2011 4:10PM
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evlPanda said...

So what camps do we have in the end?

A) There is no such thing as global warming.
Aa) It's all a power grab by politicians/the U.N./Socialists
Ab) It's all a money grab by Companies.
Ac) Aa + Ab (perhaps aliens too)

B) There is global warming but it's not human made.
Ba) There is a chance the data is completely wrong, haven't considered "something else we don't know about"
Bb) The data is skewed on purpose
Bc) Science doesn't know what it's talking about.

C) There is global warming but a tax won't stop it.
Ca) They should provide stimulus for eco stuff (what the tax does, $10b)
Cb) Things will just get more expensive and achieve nothing.

D) There is global warming and a carbon tax is a good start
Da) Doesn't do enough (it will rise until 2014(ish))
Db) Seems like a good option.





It's not called Global Warming anymore. It's called Climate Change.

If it was called Global Warming we wouldn't have had the coldest weather in history, it would be warmer, wouldn't it?

log man

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12 Jul 2011 4:15PM
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FlySurfer said...

log man said...

evlPanda said...

http://www.science.org.au/reports/climatechange2010.pdf

Audio version: www.science.org.au/policy/audio/AAS%20climate%20statement%20audio%2016%20Aug%2010.mp3


A lot more here:
www.science.org.au/policy/climatechange.html



No Panda, I've tried this site before and got a very frosty response. I spose if you have an anti science position then you want to bury your head in the sand about this site.


Science deals with testable predictions, pseudoscience deals with untestable predictions, exaggerated claims and obscures the facts.

Your pseudoscience said sea levels were supposed to be 2m higher by now.
My science said there would be no change given a constant solar output.



Can we have our own science now. The Academy of science, the csiro, IPCC, NASA and all the rest are telling you one thing and your going ...No, I prefer to believe this. And anyway you've changed the subject again. I provided half a dozen answers to your Sun light energy question, a diagram of the spectrum of light, a video from the US Professor, Trant posted that diagram explaining the mechanics of "the Greenhouse Effect" and NUTHIN........ wats up?

doggie

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12 Jul 2011 2:18PM
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We have forgotten the most important thing here -












































(.).)

evlPanda

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12 Jul 2011 4:24PM
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Don't forget the raise to taxable threshold to $18,000 from $6,000. That's $1800 for everyone.

I like money and my wife's bisexual. She asks me to buy her something and then we have sex.

barn

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12 Jul 2011 2:41PM
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Sabalo said...

wow science really is the new religion/s
"my science is better than your science"
and from a lurker thanks to all who contribute, most entertaining



It's not "my science is better than your science".

It's;

'hey look, I can find a scientist that agrees with my position (even though this scientist is an outlier, and has never published in any reputable journals, and who is in the pocket of big business and believes the Flying Spagetti Monster wouldn't let the atmosphere hurt his favorite creation.'

EvilPanda, I'll ad my own option.

Ea) There is global warming, it happens all the time. We are currently in an ice age, and it's not too cold, not too hot, it's just right.. Lets do our best to keep it like this

Geological history shows that random events often throw the earths environment temporarily out of whack. It seems highly probable we are one of these random events. When the environment goes out of whack, lots of species suffer/dissapear, we are not immune.

A tax is a good start, limiting our reliance on fossil fuels is a damn good idea. And considering these fossil fuels will run out, it's better to wean ourselves of this addiction before it's forced upon us.

But a Carbon tax will be to no avail if we don't continue, it would be like cutting just one head off Hydra. This is my artistic interpretation of our problems..

log man

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12 Jul 2011 4:49PM
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barn said...

Sabalo said...

wow science really is the new religion/s
"my science is better than your science"
and from a lurker thanks to all who contribute, most entertaining



It's not "my science is better than your science".

It's;

'hey look, I can find a scientist that agrees with my position (even though this scientist is an outlier, and has never published in any reputable journals, and who is in the pocket of big business and believes the Flying Spagetti Monster wouldn't let the atmosphere hurt his favorite creation.'

EvilPanda, I'll ad my own option.

Ea) There is global warming, it happens all the time. We are currently in an ice age, and it's not too cold, not too hot, it's just right.. Lets do our best to keep it like this

Geological history shows that random events often throw the earths environment temporarily out of whack. It seems highly probable we are one of these random events. When the environment goes out of whack, lots of species suffer/dissapear, we are not immune.

A tax is a good start, limiting our reliance on fossil fuels is a damn good idea. And considering these fossil fuels will run out, it's better to wean ourselves of this addiction before it's forced upon us.

But a Carbon tax will be to no avail if we don't continue, it would be like cutting just one head off Hydra. This is my artistic interpretation of our problems..



I had a girlfriend like that once!

SomeOtherGuy

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12 Jul 2011 6:39PM
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As long as everyone is quoting all of everyone's big posts....

barn said...

Sabalo said...

wow science really is the new religion/s
"my science is better than your science"
and from a lurker thanks to all who contribute, most entertaining



It's not "my science is better than your science".

It's;

'hey look, I can find a scientist that agrees with my position (even though this scientist is an outlier, and has never published in any reputable journals, and who is in the pocket of big business and believes the Flying Spagetti Monster wouldn't let the atmosphere hurt his favorite creation.'

EvilPanda, I'll ad my own option.

Ea) There is global warming, it happens all the time. We are currently in an ice age, and it's not too cold, not too hot, it's just right.. Lets do our best to keep it like this

Geological history shows that random events often throw the earths environment temporarily out of whack. It seems highly probable we are one of these random events. When the environment goes out of whack, lots of species suffer/dissapear, we are not immune.

A tax is a good start, limiting our reliance on fossil fuels is a damn good idea. And considering these fossil fuels will run out, it's better to wean ourselves of this addiction before it's forced upon us.

But a Carbon tax will be to no avail if we don't continue, it would be like cutting just one head off Hydra. This is my artistic interpretation of our problems..



panda... you forgot the petermac option:


F) The earth is the centre of the universe and the sun, stars and planets all revolve around it. Therefore climate change is wrong.

Sabalo

Sabalo

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13 Jul 2011 10:31AM
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Hey Barn I am going to print that artistic interpretation of our problems on a flash card and will never have to say a word on this debate again, love it.
Maybe a 1920's strongman with red pen eye powers is better than nothing

K Dog

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13 Jul 2011 12:42PM
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doggie said...

We have forgotten the most important thing here -












































(.).)


Ahh...... in case of emergency call triple D...

:D

Sailhack

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13 Jul 2011 2:57PM
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evlPanda said...

So what camps do we have in the end?

A) There is no such thing as global warming.


There is a natural occurance called climate change - we are going through a global warming stage of it now.

B) There is global warming but it's not human made.


It's not human made, but human existence influence and add to it (IMO).

C) There is global warming but a tax won't stop it.


Correct

D) There is global warming and a carbon tax is a good start


The tax will achieve nothing, but may prompt humans to look at ourselves and our wasteful way of existing on this planet, but the tax is just another tax.


If I fell for a rhetorical post...sorry.





FlySurfer

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13 Jul 2011 3:13PM
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I want to do my bit to save fuel and thus reduce my carbon foot print.

I've come to the conclusion that the dust on my car is having a detrimental affect on it's aerodynamic performance.

I believe the government should use some of the tax money to subsidize car washes.

Where's the Kool-Aid again, the effect is wearing off.

Macroscien

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13 Jul 2011 4:15PM
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FlySurfer said...

I want to do my bit to save fuel and thus reduce my carbon foot print.

I've come to the conclusion that the dust on my car is having a detrimental affect on it's aerodynamic performance.

I believe the government should use some of the tax money to subsidize car washes.

Where's the Kool-Aid again, the effect is wearing off.


Definitely NO, Dust on your car adhere only very loosly. At some speed should drop off by itself.
To save fuel you shoud drive faster then.
Look at space shuttle entering atmosphere.
It is clean and shiny as your car was in dealer's saloon twenty years ago





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