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Created by Mark _australia > 9 months ago, 26 Mar 2011
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poor relative
WA, 9089 posts
26 Mar 2011 6:10PM
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Not a lot has changed in 200 years of British settlement.
Still paranoid


poor relative
WA, 9089 posts
26 Mar 2011 6:13PM
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Altogether now lets sing the Australian Anthem

God save our gracious Queen,
Long live our noble Queen,
God save the Queen!
Send her victorious,
Happy and glorious,
Long to reign over us;
God save the Queen!


LOL

Don't want other races spoiling the purity that is "aussie" but don't want independence.

poor relative
WA, 9089 posts
26 Mar 2011 6:15PM
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poor relative
WA, 9089 posts
26 Mar 2011 6:15PM
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poor relative
WA, 9089 posts
26 Mar 2011 6:21PM
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Australia is a black mans country always has been always will be.

poor relative
WA, 9089 posts
26 Mar 2011 6:25PM
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Cassa
WA, 1305 posts
26 Mar 2011 6:54PM
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poor relative said...

Australia is a black mans country always has been always will be.



Maybe so , but hey it's a good job they are not in control, they might be good at living off the land , but they hadn't even invented the wheel, or learnt to grow crops, or , well the list goes on.
Saying that a true aboriginal , is bloody great ausie!

Carantoc
WA, 6600 posts
26 Mar 2011 6:55PM
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petermac33 said...

so you are from the uk ginger pom.

Britain, in one or two generations will go from a 99% white northern European ethnicity, to a country where if you are white, you will be in the minority.

in boroughs of London, this has already happened.

your ancestors ginger pom, will be turning in their graves.

again, are you in favour of this forever change of Britain's ethnicity?



Which one or two generations are you referring to ?

'Britain's ethnicity' - not sure exactly what that is and it certainly isn't something that has been constant and now under pressure to be wiped out for the first time in history.

'white northern European' is a pretty broad brush, that would seem to be a description to suit your argument more than an actual ethnicity. Not much ethnic similarity between a Norse Scandinavian and a Catholic Norman or a Germanic Jew. All of them white and from northern Europe.

and a change in one or two generations is quite along time compared to, for example, the years

AD43 (Romans)
800 (Vikings)
1066 (Normans)
1690 (Dutch)

'Britain's ethnicity' is one of constant change and evolution. The only thing that is constant is what we remember it was like when we were younger.

Carantoc
WA, 6600 posts
26 Mar 2011 7:06PM
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poor relative said...

Australia is a black mans country always has been always will be.



Never sure on what basis that is argued

By definition man walked out of Africa 50,000 years ago. By the same argument the world is therefore a blackman's country. Then again Neanderthal man came before Homo-sapien, thus this a Neanderthal country ?

The fact that some time ago somebody who I did'nt know invaded a country populated by somebody you didn't know doesn't now mean I have no right to be here, or this government and governmental system has no legitimacy. If that were so then the enitre world's population (except maybe the Artic Innuit) should piss off home.

Sorry, but the indigenous peoples of Australia would be the least invaded and least displaced peoples on the plant.

Not saying the treatment of the Australian Indigenous people hasn't been an embarrasment to this country and not saying it doesn't continue to be so but,

I say this is an Australian's country, not a blackman's country, or a whiteman's country, or a Christian's country, but an Australian's Country.

fingerbang
40 posts
26 Mar 2011 7:28PM
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poor relative said...

Australia is a black mans country always has been always will be.



no, we took it from them, and they should suck it down and move on.
at what point does history become history?

do the american indians still whinge about the white man (actually i think they do)

do the south americans whinge about the portugese and the spanish?

do the britains whinge about the romans or the vikings.

cant wait till the stop fkn whinging and just get on with stuff. No special rules for anyone. no fkn abstudy, aboriginal or torres straight islander only jobs, or premiums on salary, no dog allowance, no land rights for gay whale bleeding heart pinko crap.
No guilt industry.

barn
WA, 2960 posts
26 Mar 2011 7:48PM
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poor relative said...

Australia is a black mans country always has been always will be.



Nah, it was once the land of marsupials, largest reptiles since the dinosaurs and meat eating wombats.. They would still be here if they organised themselves Avitar style and ate all the immigrants...

poor relative
WA, 9089 posts
26 Mar 2011 8:24PM
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Carantoc said...


I say this is an Australian's country, not a blackman's country, or a whiteman's country, or a Christian's country, but an Australian's Country.


A phrase of reason in a cesspit of stink.

westhammer
WA, 504 posts
26 Mar 2011 9:07PM
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Its all in the smell!!!!!!!!If it dont smell right!!!!Its wrong!!

log man
VIC, 8289 posts
27 Mar 2011 12:19AM
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Cassa said...

poor relative said...

Australia is a black mans country always has been always will be.



Maybe so , but hey it's a good job they are not in control, they might be good at living off the land , but they hadn't even invented the wheel, or learnt to grow crops, or , well the list goes on.
Saying that a true aboriginal , is bloody great ausie!


god bless you master, can a half cast nigger shine your shoes sir. thank you sir. very much appreciated.

log man
VIC, 8289 posts
27 Mar 2011 12:36AM
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fingerbang said...

poor relative said...

Australia is a black mans country always has been always will be.



no, we took it from them, and they should suck it down and move on.
at what point does history become history?

do the american indians still whinge about the white man (actually i think they do)

do the south americans whinge about the portugese and the spanish?

do the britains whinge about the romans or the vikings.

cant wait till the stop fkn whinging and just get on with stuff. No special rules for anyone. no fkn abstudy, aboriginal or torres straight islander only jobs, or premiums on salary, no dog allowance, no land rights for gay whale bleeding heart pinko crap.
No guilt industry.



Hey pal, how about I round up and kidnap your grandparents,make them work on my farm for nothing, then, when your mothers old enough, rape her, shoot some of your relatives, separate your family, treat them like second class people . Then , how about I tell you to "suck it down"(weird), and move on. Get it now fool

kiterdan
WA, 679 posts
26 Mar 2011 10:28PM
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I wonder if the Aborigines had the same mind set when the first convicts arrived. Oh but that's entirely different right?


I do agree with the idea of assimilation; to the extent that there are two very definitive boundaries:
1. Immigrants should assimilate with society but not to the extent that their religious, moral, ethical beliefs are quashed or expected to be quashed.
2. Immigrants should not demand that their religious, moral and ethical beliefs are catered for within the society.

I think that it opens up a whole different discussion about Australians...

This question got asked of myself and my class mates when I was at school. I will always remember the silence that ensued after the answers were written on the board. We were asked - What makes someone Australian?

- Someone born in Australia
- Hard working
- Loves a laugh
- Swears
- Sticks up for him/herself
- Multicultural
- Loves sports
- Likes a beer

Whilst I'm a lot of people would read the list and agree, I'm sure a lot of international forum visitors would probably think that describes themselves in their respective countries (except perhaps the first). And I'm pretty sure the list (which was more exhaustive than this) wouldn't sit well with a lot of people; some 5-6-7th generation Australian's may not even be described within this context. If you can describe what an Australian is which describes every single Australian then you are doing well.

I don't pretend to think that I haven't had thoughts about what will become of Australia if the level of immigration is to (seemingly) continuously increase but I do think that a lot of us Aussies are short-sighted in our views of immigrants. What the media doesn't seem to portray is the level of nativity/ignorance within the countries the immigrants are coming from especially what constitutes legal and illegal immigration. On the flip side, we Australians can be pretty ignorant about the plight of some our newest arrivals and what goes on in their countries.

Do you have the answer? The government certainly doesn't. I don't but I reckon there are alternative means that could at least be trialled - perhaps working hand in hand with the countries, the consulates, advertising the illegality of people smuggling etc.

And one last thing - the history comment...
How about this one; name as many native American Indian tribes/districts as you can. Follow it up with naming as many aboriginal tribes/districts as you can.

cisco
QLD, 12323 posts
27 Mar 2011 1:20AM
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poor relative said...

Australia is a black mans country always has been always will be.



Which black man? The Bradshaw paintings in the Kimberleys indicate they were African.

cisco
QLD, 12323 posts
27 Mar 2011 1:27AM
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Our generousity and tolerance is biting us on the backside. Check this out.

aca.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8144154#comments

Mobydisc
NSW, 9028 posts
27 Mar 2011 8:42AM
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Anyway some people have the idea that Muslim immigrants are trying to force Australians to adopt the Muslim way of life.

Some areas of Sydney have a large number of Muslims living there. In these suburbs there are still pubs and bottle shops. TABs are still operating. You can go to a Chinese or Vietnamese restaurant and have BBQ pork. You won't be accosted on the street by a Islamic missionary.

Sure there are issues. Go windsurfing on a fine sunny weekend at Botany Bay and you will see the issues. Its has nothing to do with religion. Its about attitude and education. If you think its okay to be disrepectful to the environment by leaving rubbish around the place and be disrepectful to other members of the community by being rude and abusive then it has nothing to do with your religion. There wouldn't be many religions teaching disrepect. There are plenty of white Aussies who act like complete arseholes.

fingerbang
40 posts
27 Mar 2011 6:19AM
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log man said...

fingerbang said...

poor relative said...

Australia is a black mans country always has been always will be.



no, we took it from them, and they should suck it down and move on.
at what point does history become history?

do the american indians still whinge about the white man (actually i think they do)

do the south americans whinge about the portugese and the spanish?

do the britains whinge about the romans or the vikings.

cant wait till the stop fkn whinging and just get on with stuff. No special rules for anyone. no fkn abstudy, aboriginal or torres straight islander only jobs, or premiums on salary, no dog allowance, no land rights for gay whale bleeding heart pinko crap.
No guilt industry.



Hey pal, how about I round up and kidnap your grandparents,make them work on my farm for nothing, then, when your mothers old enough, rape her, shoot some of your relatives, separate your family, treat them like second class people . Then , how about I tell you to "suck it down"(weird), and move on. Get it now fool


so are they still going to be working themselves up about it in 200 years time? what about 400 years?

I'm no fool just because I oppose your ideas matey.

now go listen to some midnight oil or something

fingerbang
40 posts
27 Mar 2011 6:21AM
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immigration is an easy way to keep the economy growing, making the rich richer.
Only trouble is, it's at the expense of the enviroment and also our social fabric.
Time for some politicians to man up and put it on the agenda.

I think we shouldn't aim for a big australia

log man
VIC, 8289 posts
27 Mar 2011 2:12PM
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fingerbang said...

log man said...

fingerbang said...

poor relative said...

Australia is a black mans country always has been always will be.



no, we took it from them, and they should suck it down and move on.
at what point does history become history?

do the american indians still whinge about the white man (actually i think they do)

do the south americans whinge about the portugese and the spanish?

do the britains whinge about the romans or the vikings.

cant wait till the stop fkn whinging and just get on with stuff. No special rules for anyone. no fkn abstudy, aboriginal or torres straight islander only jobs, or premiums on salary, no dog allowance, no land rights for gay whale bleeding heart pinko crap.
No guilt industry.



Hey pal, how about I round up and kidnap your grandparents,make them work on my farm for nothing, then, when your mothers old enough, rape her, shoot some of your relatives, separate your family, treat them like second class people . Then , how about I tell you to "suck it down"(weird), and move on. Get it now fool


so are they still going to be working themselves up about it in 200 years time? what about 400 years?

I'm no fool just because I oppose your ideas matey.

now go listen to some midnight oil or something


"I'm no fool just because I oppose your ideas matey" NO, you're a fool because of the ideas you espouse. Your idea that, "history is history" is so peurile, should the police stop investigating the Beaumont children abductions in Adelaide in the 1970's and then say to the family "you just need to suck it down, and move on" . Or how about those Jewish families exterminated in Auschwitz, they just need to " build a bridge and get over it". I know you want the world to be a simple place with simple solutions but it is not true that a new generation wipes clean the slate of history. The burdens(and blessings) of history are carried by subsequent generations. So what happened to your family shapes your world. That's why you find signs of social destruction in many parts of Aboriginal life. Can you see that?, can you see that conquered native peoples all around the world suffer similar fates, and to say that they need to get over it is insensitive and foolish. PS, I owned (and loved) the first three Midnight oil albums, Powderworks, place without a postcard, head injuries, bird noises. Unbelievable, game changing, searing rock records!!!

log man
VIC, 8289 posts
27 Mar 2011 2:49PM
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cisco said...

Our generousity and tolerance is biting us on the backside. Check this out.

aca.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8144154#comments


So you're basing your view of Muslims on a woman who is clearly a liar. So is it reasonable to also conclude that all retired high court judges(marcus Einfeld) are liars when they try to claim that a dead friend was driving their speeding car? If the whole Burka thing was happening every second day and people were claiming to be someone else by using a head covering then maybe we should outlaw head coverings......... but hang on this IS happening all the time, I see video all the time on the TV of people using head coverings to hide their identity..... Yep ...that's right HOODIES... Every bloody time you see crime stoppers there they are, youngens wearing HOODIES, breaking into 7/11's, bashing people, driving cars into shop fronts .......all the time. OK cisco I went back over all your recent posts, and guess what, not a thing about banning hoodies. So what does that mean then. It means to me you're not really interested in banning the burka, or head coverings to hide identity. You're interested in banning Muslims.

russh
SA, 3025 posts
27 Mar 2011 2:31PM
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You fvkers never give up - why don't you stick to surf sports and keep your scaremongering racist biggoted cut and paste dribble to yourself.

The content you guys seem to be focussing on is diminishing any cred this website once had.

evlPanda
NSW, 9202 posts
27 Mar 2011 3:34PM
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kiterdan said...
This question got asked of myself and my class mates when I was at school. I will always remember the silence that ensued after the answers were written on the board. We were asked - What makes someone Australian?

- Someone born in Australia
- Hard working
- Loves a laugh
- Swears
- Sticks up for him/herself
- Multicultural
- Loves sports
- Likes a beer



Yeah, what a laugh. Am I correct in thinking that implies anyone that was born overseas, likes to work smarter rather than harder, can take things seriously, has manners, avoids confrontation, can speak more than just poor English alone, likes art/music etc, and doesn't drink (Australian) beer is, by implication, someone not to be liked or trusted?

Here is what I think makes someone an Aussie as opposed to an Australia.

- Born in Australia
- Think they are hard working *
- Loves low-brow humour
- Swears
- Has a chip on their shoulder/paranoid
- Speaks only English. Poorly.
- Loves watching sport
- Is an alcoholic

* Median household income is $66K which after benefits barely pays any tax/contributes at all.

**** off we're full of idiots?

Also, I'd just like to say that most of these types of debates get too black & white. Both sides of the debate can be a little ignorant or cherry-pick facts. The vast majority of the people we are talking about fall somewhere in the middle.

Anyway, peace out as much as you can, yada yada, love yous all.

ginger pom
VIC, 1746 posts
27 Mar 2011 4:38PM
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petermac33 said...

so you are from the uk ginger pom.

Britain, in one or two generations will go from a 99% white northern European ethnicity, to a country where if you are white, you will be in the minority.

in boroughs of London, this has already happened.

your ancestors ginger pom, will be turning in their graves.

again, are you in favour of this forever change of Britain's ethnicity?

would the Japanese be happy if they were to become a minority in their own country?


First of all, you're assuming that my ancestors are as racist as you are. I think if they could get their heads around global trade, mobile phones, free love, the internet, antibiotics, the birth control pill, votes for women, air travel and friends with benefits, then they'd probably be ok with people being a slightly different shade.....

The fact it has already happened in boroughs of london is only partially true in some boroughs and as pointed out already, you've redefined Northern Europe in a fairly self serving way.

Fact is that other countries have faster growing populations than we do (something you're ok with because you believe that Bill Gates is trying to sterilise poor people when he offers them vaccinations - something that is linked to smaller family sizes)

Your comment on the Japanese is interesting seeing as Japanese girls are your whore of choice as you have mentioned before.... your profile even says....

"44 never taken or wanted,likes all sport,japanese girls "

fingerbang
40 posts
27 Mar 2011 1:40PM
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log man said...

fingerbang said...

log man said...

fingerbang said...

poor relative said...

Australia is a black mans country always has been always will be.



no, we took it from them, and they should suck it down and move on.
at what point does history become history?

do the american indians still whinge about the white man (actually i think they do)

do the south americans whinge about the portugese and the spanish?

do the britains whinge about the romans or the vikings.

cant wait till the stop fkn whinging and just get on with stuff. No special rules for anyone. no fkn abstudy, aboriginal or torres straight islander only jobs, or premiums on salary, no dog allowance, no land rights for gay whale bleeding heart pinko crap.
No guilt industry.



Hey pal, how about I round up and kidnap your grandparents,make them work on my farm for nothing, then, when your mothers old enough, rape her, shoot some of your relatives, separate your family, treat them like second class people . Then , how about I tell you to "suck it down"(weird), and move on. Get it now fool


so are they still going to be working themselves up about it in 200 years time? what about 400 years?

I'm no fool just because I oppose your ideas matey.

now go listen to some midnight oil or something


"I'm no fool just because I oppose your ideas matey" NO, you're a fool because of the ideas you espouse. Your idea that, "history is history" is so peurile, should the police stop investigating the Beaumont children abductions in Adelaide in the 1970's and then say to the family "you just need to suck it down, and move on" . Or how about those Jewish families exterminated in Auschwitz, they just need to " build a bridge and get over it". I know you want the world to be a simple place with simple solutions but it is not true that a new generation wipes clean the slate of history. The burdens(and blessings) of history are carried by subsequent generations. So what happened to your family shapes your world. That's why you find signs of social destruction in many parts of Aboriginal life. Can you see that?, can you see that conquered native peoples all around the world suffer similar fates, and to say that they need to get over it is insensitive and foolish. PS, I owned (and loved) the first three Midnight oil albums, Powderworks, place without a postcard, head injuries, bird noises. Unbelievable, game changing, searing rock records!!!


my point is they were imperialised over 200 years ago.
look at other countries that have a history of 3 or 400 year old imperialisation. at some point it becomes the past. they need to stop using that stuff as a crutch to get whatever they can out of the whiteman. and they do.

Much of the problem in Northern australia is that they live in remote places with no hope of employment or education on the dole because it is so remote on a never ending cycle of welfare.

Logman have you ever been to an aboriginal community? Ever stayed or worked in one. Know any black fellas at all? I have no problem with the average blackfella, but the white "identify as an aboriginal" tossers that live in victoria that you probably have frappachinos with that use the media and bleat about their people etc shxt me

SomeOtherGuy
NSW, 807 posts
27 Mar 2011 5:12PM
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Mark _australia said...

^^^^ no I didn't say

I cut n pasted soemthing that I largely agree with - the gist of it - not necessarily every word.


No wonder. It was written by people just like you for people just like you. In fact, the failed spelling is pretty familiar come to think of it.

It definitely wasn't written by one of those people that's for sure.

lotofwind
NSW, 6451 posts
27 Mar 2011 5:43PM
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^^^^^^bah ha ha ha

SomeOtherGuy
NSW, 807 posts
27 Mar 2011 6:57PM
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lotofwind said...

^^^^^^bah ha ha ha


Yeah, but the spelling was immaculate...



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