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K Dog

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13 Sep 2011 3:35PM
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With a lot of respect to our American friends, anyone read about Building 7?

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7485331.stm

The thing is - it wasn't hit......

doggie

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13 Sep 2011 2:10PM
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Old news, but lets not get into it here ay

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13 Sep 2011 3:53PM
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Who knows? but the Italian Mafia must have been selling shonky concrete back in those days.

K Dog

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GEEZUS!

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For a bunch of people that can't even organise a new debt ceiling without squabbling like children I have my doubts about any mastermind conspiracy theory.

...or are they just trying to look stupid?

Big boobs ahead.

K Dog

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evlPanda said...

For a bunch of people that can't even organise a new debt ceiling without squabbling like children I have my doubts about any mastermind conspiracy theory.

...or are they just trying to look stupid?

Big boobs ahead.


Agree..... its just very WTF with this building......

I don't think anyone anywhere is organized enough and smart enough to pull off what the consp. peeps think happened...

FlySurfer

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13 Sep 2011 5:09PM
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If the idiots had only started an office fire or used jet fuel they would have come straight down.






If you really believe the WTC complex imploded on itself from jet fuel and office fires, go look in the mirror; that person looking back at you is an idiot.
Don't worry your not alone your one of millions of "people" who decided to outsource thinking.

Even the Arabs don't get it right.


or the Chinese



Ya, ya I know wtc complex was a special case where they managed to melt steel for the 1st time with open jet fuels fires and the levels pancaked.

Ya and I also have a friend who help build them and he says it was fire, and he knows what he's talking about.

Ya and I also believe everything my murderous rulers say.

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evlPanda said...

For a bunch of people that can't even organise a new debt ceiling without squabbling like children I have my doubts about any mastermind conspiracy theory.

...or are they just trying to look stupid?

Big boobs ahead.


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FlySurfer said...

go look in the mirror; that person looking back at you is an idiot.


OI! That's MY line!

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Yeah, can't help but think America is unable to send in a 'Cwack Legion' demolition team into there without anybody noticing..

Wiki..

In particular, the fires on floors 7 through 9 and 11 through 13 continued to burn out of control during the afternoon.[35] At approximately 2:00 pm, firefighters noticed a bulge in the southwest corner of 7 World Trade Center between the 10th and 13th floors, a sign that the building was unstable and might collapse.[36] During the afternoon, firefighters also heard creaking sounds coming from the building.[37] Around 3:30 pm FDNY Chief Daniel Nigro decided to halt rescue operations, surface removal, and searches along the surface of the debris near 7 World Trade Center and evacuate the area due to concerns for the safety of personnel.[38] At 5:20:33 pm EDT on September 11, 2001, 7 World Trade Center started to collapse, with the crumble of the east mechanical penthouse, while at 5:21:10 pm EDT the entire building collapsed completely.[1][39] There were no casualties associated with the collapse.


NIST released its final report on the causes of the collapse of 7 World Trade Center. This followed their August 21, 2008 draft report which included a period for public comments.[35] In its investigation, NIST utilized ANSYS to model events leading up to collapse initiation and LS-DYNA models to simulate the global response to the initiating events.[44] NIST determined that diesel fuel did not play an important role, nor did the structural damage from the collapse of the twin towers, nor did the transfer elements (trusses, girders, and cantilever overhangs). But the lack of water to fight the fire was an important factor. The fires burned out of control during the afternoon, causing floor beams near Column 79 to expand and push a key girder off its seat, triggering the floors to fail around column 79 on Floors 8 to 14. With a loss of lateral support across nine floors, Column 79 soon buckled - pulling the East penthouse and nearby columns down with it. With the buckling of these critical columns, the collapse then progressed east-to-west across the core, ultimately overloading the perimeter support, which buckled between Floors 7 and 17, causing the entire building above to fall downward as a single unit. The fires, fueled by office contents, along with the lack of water, were the key reasons for the collapse.

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doggie said...

evlPanda said...

For a bunch of people that can't even organise a new debt ceiling without squabbling like children I have my doubts about any mastermind conspiracy theory.

...or are they just trying to look stupid?

Big boobs ahead.


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What was I talking about again? Ah yeah that's right.... so Max just got out of jail last month....... welcome back Max!

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K Dog said...

doggie said...

evlPanda said...

For a bunch of people that can't even organise a new debt ceiling without squabbling like children I have my doubts about any mastermind conspiracy theory.

...or are they just trying to look stupid?

Big boobs ahead.


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What was I talking about again? Ah yeah that's right.... so Max just got out of jail last month....... welcome back Max!


Max is back

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From maddox: www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons




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barn said...

Yeah, can't help but think America is unable to send in a 'Cwack Legion' demolition team into there without anybody noticing..


Barn, I'm right with you on this... but do you seriously believe the quote you just posted as an explanation stands up? The whole thing is just bizarre. I'm not a subscriber to the fact that the whole thing was rigged, but the building 7 collapse stinks.

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barn said...

Yeah, can't help but think America is unable to send in a 'Cwack Legion' demolition team into there without anybody noticing..


1000's of people noticed and it was put down to maintenance... ever since Larry got the WTC contract they had extensive weekend "maintenance".
It took months.

And darn did they do a good job.

I understand people who haven't read history have a hard time breaking their world view... ignorance is bliss, so yup it was jet fuel and office fires caused by crazy muslims with box cutters... after all they found their passports at the scene.

The thing that gets me, is they're treating us like tards...
why not just say "hey we want to start some sh!t with the Arabs, cos they've got oil, the military industrial complex needs an enemy, the banks (jews) need to lend more invented money and the Arabs are weak and annoying."
It's completely natural for a stronger animal to take the food of a weaker one.

Instead they put together this fantasy that only sets the stage for revolution or brain dead tyranny.

Oh fark I just remembered... they actually didn't believe y'all would be so stupid, so they made it a crime to question their authority.

Can y'all remember the "counter" terrorism laws???? Patriot Act ring a bell????
evlPanda: for such ineffectual governance; they sure took away our rights fast enough.

Knowing the truth isn't going to make you happy, so just sit back relax and get farked.

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FlySurfer said...

barn said...

Yeah, can't help but think America is unable to send in a 'Cwack Legion' demolition team into there without anybody noticing..


1000's of people noticed and it was put down to maintenance... ever since Larry got the WTC contract they had extensive weekend "maintenance".
It took months.

And darn did they do a good job.

I understand people who haven't read history have a hard time breaking their world view... ignorance is bliss, so yup it was jet fuel and office fires caused by crazy muslims with box cutters... after all they found their passports at the scene.

The thing that gets me, is they're treating us like tards...
why not just say "hey we want to start some sh!t with the Arabs, cos they've got oil, the military industrial complex needs an enemy, the banks (jews) need to lend more invented money and the Arabs are weak and annoying."
It's completely natural for a stronger animal to take the food of a weaker one.

Instead they put together this fantasy that only sets the stage for revolution or brain dead tyranny.

Oh fark I just remembered... they actually didn't believe y'all would be so stupid, so they made it a crime to question their authority.

Can y'all remember the "counter" terrorism laws???? Patriot Act ring a bell????
evlPanda: for such ineffectual governance; they sure took away our rights fast enough.

Knowing the truth isn't going to make you happy, so just sit back relax and get farked.




Im going to agree with Flysurfer on this one.....

FlySurfer

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Remote controlled crash test.
All fly by wire (FBW) bus systems are modular and can have remote control units plugged in.

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FlickySpinny said...

barn said...

Yeah, can't help but think America is unable to send in a 'Cwack Legion' demolition team into there without anybody noticing..


Barn, I'm right with you on this... but do you seriously believe the quote you just posted as an explanation stands up? The whole thing is just bizarre. I'm not a subscriber to the fact that the whole thing was rigged, but the building 7 collapse stinks.



Well, today was the 1st I've read of that 'official' scenario.. I am aware that I don't understand the physics or the construction of the building 7, because I'm not an engineer.. But the people who concluded the results probably are, and I find it hard to believe these people would be able/willing to fudge results to cover up any 'inside job'.. Secrets that big are impossible to keep, especially for teh US with their track record ..


And the reasons given for the 'inside job' are to destroy some files?, that seems a long shot.. Now it's pretty clear that the twin towers were destroyed by Pious Virgins On A Plane X 2.. So are we to believe that in the midst of these Martyr attacks some CIA spooks decided to blow their building up to destroy some files?? . The building was well on its way to be gutted by fire anyway, so the 'files' might well have been doomed already..


So at the moment, the official scenario is the least 'stinky' explanation, and considering the motivation and mental state of the 9/11 Truthers I just can't take them seriously..

9/11 truthers seem convinced they are being controlled, manipulated and lied to by some Stone Cutter like organisation which is randomly destroying their own buildings in an elaborate attempt to get a micro chips inserted into our foreheads..

FlySurfer

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13 Sep 2011 7:31PM
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This is where the Boeing 767 aluminium wings sliced through the core steel columns.

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FlySurfer said...

ignorance is bliss, so yup it was jet fuel and office fires caused by crazy muslims with box cutters...


Because Planes have never been hijacked before? and Muslim Jihadists have never blown themselves up before? Allahu Akbar??

I don't see structural engineers conducting weekly protests about Jet Fuel, only internet heros..



**EDIT, for some reason Evil Panders comic wasn't loading so I never saw it's neat logic, before I tried to say something similar ..

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barn said...
But the people who concluded the results probably are, and I find it hard to believe these people would be able/willing to fudge results to cover up any 'inside job'.. Secrets that big are impossible to keep, especially for teh US with their track record ..


Dude do you really want to continue outsourcing your thinking?
And what secret? We're farking talking about it on a wind sport forum!

The physics aren't hard... 9.81 m/s (Gravity), then you just need the height (wikipedia) and the duration... oh and then you just need to come up with a theory of how it fell with 0 resistance.

barn said...
Because Planes have never been hijacked before? and Muslim Jihadists have never blown themselves up before? Allahu Akbar??

I don't see structural engineers conducting weekly protests about Jet Fuel, only internet heros..


Ha mate you got me there, I forgot about the Jihadist, and the laws of physics changing Allahu Akbar chant.


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FlySurfer said...


Dude do you really want to continue outsourcing your thinking?
And what secret? We're farking talking about it on a wind sport forum!


I'm quite happy to outsource my thinking to the experts who build planes, or design the micro processors in my computer.. There are times when our thinking needs to be outsourced simply because becoming an expert in things is quite hard..



The physics aren't hard... 9.81 m/s (Gravity), then you just need the height (wikipedia) and the duration... oh and then you just need to come up with a theory of how it fell with 0 resistance.


See, you are now betraying your ignorance of physics, once one floor collapses the immediate floor below is not strong enough to support the falling floor above, Just like I can bench press my body weight, but I can't stop 80kg falling from 2m above me.. So all that needs to be explained is how one level collapsed, and again, I don't see any structural engineers causing a fuss over this..



Ha mate you got me there, I forgot about the Jihadist, and the laws of physics changing Allahu Akbar chant.




It's not me that doesn't understand the laws of physics, I would rather trust the detailed calculations of experts than Youtube heros..

And Flysurfer, I already know you have fragile grasp on reality because you don't pass the intellectual Litmus test of accepting the undeniable and easily accessible facts of evolution..

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and what of the THOUSANDS of people that had to be in on it, even if your science is correct (and it isn't)?

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FlySurfer said...
Dude do you really want to continue outsourcing your thinking?


Hmm FlySurfer's gone loopy and pm33's no where to be seen.
There's a cover-up going on here, pm33 has hijacked Fly's account. Don't tell anyone.

Conspiricy theories were the duck's nuts when I was 16.. then by the time we were about 18 we'd all grown out of them. Why? Coz they're cr@p. They all start with the answer that you want and then work backwards looking for any scrap that can be massaged into 'proof'.

They just took photos of the lunar landing sites, oops there goes that one.
www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/multimedia/lroimages/apollosites.html

thingsboganslike.com/2011/07/15/237-conspiracy-theories/

The bogan knows things. It doesn't know how it knows; it just knows. Often, things that the general population is not aware of. Even more often, the bogan knows things when the information is presented to it in a facebook group, a trusted news source, or in Andrew Bolt's column. The bogan just knows. The bogan's desire to lap up conveniently edited pieces of information and then parrot them back as the comprehensive truth is a conceptual combover capable of cladding even the baldest of theories in half a dozen tenuous strands of delusion....

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evlPanda said...

and what of the THOUSANDS of people that had to be in on it, even if your science is correct (and it isn't)?


Guantanamo Bay

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Pfft. Building 7? It never existed. If it did then where is the evidence?

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building 7 had every characteristic of a controlled implosion---if it looks like a duck.....




1. squibs shooting from the building



2.symetrical [straight down] collapse of building,building falls in own footprint



3.near free-fall collapse



4.centre column is taken out first [as happens in building 7 if you look carefully] so building will fall in and down on itself---a classic controlled implosion.







if anyone on this forum is saying buiding 7 was not a controlled demolition,



do you have tangible evidence to back up your theory as to why the building fell?



north/south tower was opposite to building 7,they were not a controlled implosion,but a controlled explosion [material went out and upwards vaporized by micro-nukes]

ever wondered why so little debris [approx 6 floors] left of 110 floors?

yes, majority of towers were turned to dust,not after contact with ground,but turned to dust on way down!!!

vaporized by nukes!

pools of molten steel reported,photographed,videoed....damning evidence of nukes.




agree,building 7....smoking gun.






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^^

I know I'm just a simple sheep, but would you mind explaining for me what happened to the radiation from these nukes or how they acheive critical mass with such baby nukes.

Yes yes, hook line and sinker, but it's hard to tell when some people are taking the mickey.

If they've managed miniature radiation free nuclear devices they wouldn't be worried about heading to iraq for oil.

I'm feeling very stupid writing this...

kiteboy dave

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PS:
1. Iraq never had enough oil for it to be about oil
2. Iraq wasn't threatening to withhold supply of their oil anyway

So that conspiracy excuse never made any sense.

www.scottmanning.com/archives/howmuchoilfromiraq.php

If the Iraq War is all about oil, then the U.S. has spent a lot of money and resources to topple Saddam, run elections, and train the military/police to get less oil from Iraq and the Persian Gulf region.

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i'm just a simple sheeple, so can someone please explain to me how 'pools of molten steel' came to be found at wtc?

thermite can melt steel,however pools of molten steel 'like in a foundry',i don't think so.

nukes would explain the pools of molten steel.

100's of lateral and upward ejections,dead giveaway for use of nukes,google Ed Ward.

fire and two planes bringing down three buildings,i would be embarrassed to think/write that.


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