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Created by poor relative > 9 months ago, 2 Jun 2011
poor relative
WA, 9089 posts
2 Jun 2011 9:59AM
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Following on from the mens shed thread its inspired me to build a good man space in my yard.
Only thing is when it comes to DIY i am crap.

So how difficult is it, i reckon i'm good to follow instructions and put the colourbond structure up just worried about doing the slab.

Anyone got advice, warnings or experience?

felixdcat
WA, 3519 posts
2 Jun 2011 10:12AM
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Depending on the shed size go for concrete 400 mm x 400 mm pavers, easy to lay even if you are like me (useless at paving and concreting) and that would be good for a small shed like 10 ft x 10 ft .If you plan to go bigger it may pay to get a poured concrete pad.......... now there get help from someone that know what he is doing.... would be easier and cheaper than having to brake it to remove it after you found that it is not flat and that the shed looks funny and the door doesn't close

choco
SA, 4034 posts
2 Jun 2011 11:43AM
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poor relative said...

Following on from the mens shed thread its inspired me to build a good man space in my yard.
Only thing is when it comes to DIY i am crap.

So how difficult is it, i reckon i'm good to follow instructions and put the colourbond structure up just worried about doing the slab.

Anyone got advice, warnings or experience?


you can never build a big enough shed

felixdcat
WA, 3519 posts
2 Jun 2011 10:14AM
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choco said...

poor relative said...

Following on from the mens shed thread its inspired me to build a good man space in my yard.
Only thing is when it comes to DIY i am crap.

So how difficult is it, i reckon i'm good to follow instructions and put the colourbond structure up just worried about doing the slab.

Anyone got advice, warnings or experience?


you can never build a big enough shed

Yes but you can build extensions!

knigit
WA, 319 posts
2 Jun 2011 10:50AM
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I would go the concrete slab if I were you, it's not rocket science. Pavers are a nuisance and are just as much work as building the formwork for the slab.

A few bit's of wood and a long clear hosepipe as a water level is about all the gear you need. Get a concrete taxi or similar, bugger mixing it yourself.

dinsdale
WA, 1227 posts
2 Jun 2011 11:25AM
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choco said...
you can never build a big enough shed

Here here! Your junk collection will always expand to fill the available space - hence it'll never be wasted space.
I don't muck about with concrete myself. I just get someone in to do the slab for me. If you're half as crap as me at the grano work it's money well spent. As knigit said slabs are just much hassle, and are really substandard as a proper shed floor.

My present (main) shed is 12m x 9m x 4.2m at the gutter . It's like boy heaven in there. Plus we have a 3m x 3m garden shed, a double colourbond garage, a single brick garage and a 3 car car port. Spoilt for choice I reckon .


Simondo
VIC, 8020 posts
2 Jun 2011 1:27PM
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In theory, councils do prefer you get a planning permit, and building permit.... generally speaking....

The tin shed does heat up a bit, and cool down..., radiant heat off the roof... So it is not perfect for storing boards up close to the hot tin.... But better than direct sunlight!

The effort on the concrete is worth it.

Search You Tube, and you'll probably find a DIY Concrete video to help you out..... (???)....

You can probably make a garden bed, and/or vege garden with you excavated material.

Ian K
WA, 4049 posts
2 Jun 2011 2:28PM
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Recently put up a small shed 3m by 3m. Was hesitant about laying a slab so built a treated pine deck to go under it. Not so much wet concrete to go off all in the one hit. Standard deck footings, bearers etc from the DIY book on decks and patios at Bunnings. Cost probably comparable for small sheds, but slabs might win on cost for larger sheds.

Advantages . That homely shearing shed ambience, you've got underneath to store old sailing gear and provide a home for small critters.

Disadvantages - you can't park the car in it or install heavy workshop gear.

getfunky
WA, 4485 posts
2 Jun 2011 3:40PM
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Free beers at Rellie's new shed!!

Got a shiny new(ish) kite pump you might wanna put in that shed.

BTW - have heaps of concrete slabs if you want em.

GypsyDrifter
WA, 2371 posts
2 Jun 2011 3:40PM
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Simondo said...

In theory, councils do prefer you get a planning permit, and building permit.... generally speaking....


I know in the rockingham shire you need a permit to erect a piece of tin

GPA
WA, 2520 posts
2 Jun 2011 4:02PM
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GypsyDrifter said...

Simondo said...

In theory, councils do prefer you get a planning permit, and building permit.... generally speaking....


I know in the rockingham shire you need a permit to erect a piece of tin


I think it may be that 'over a certain size' needs council permission. I recently had a Stratco 4m x 3m 'heritage type' shed installed and was told that it was within permissible size... (City of Joondalup).

Diver
WA, 554 posts
2 Jun 2011 4:04PM
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Timber floor would be the go - as long as it can handle a good workbench and tools.

Also put at least two locks on the door and hide the keys!

Made the fatal mistake of "allowing" the Mrs to put some of her stuff in the (my) shed. Now I can hardly get in there and am getting questions about when am I going to get rid of my stuff (boards, wetsuits, tools, camping gear) so she can put more of her stuff in.

GypsyDrifter
WA, 2371 posts
2 Jun 2011 4:06PM
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Diver said...

Timber floor would be the go - as long as it can handle a good workbench and tools.

Also put at least two locks on the door and hide the keys!

Made the fatal mistake of "allowing" the Mrs to put some of her stuff in the (my) shed. Now I can hardly get in there and am getting questions about when am I going to get rid of my stuff (boards, wetsuits, tools, camping gear) so she can put more of her stuff in.


hmmmmm! Buy her her own shed!

Diver
WA, 554 posts
2 Jun 2011 4:11PM
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^^^^^

She'd fill that up as well

kyteryder
NSW, 692 posts
2 Jun 2011 7:07PM
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councils have an exempt development, within policy for some structures. In NSW most councils included sheds within this code, under 20m2. Which means you dont need their permission. I'm not sure what the regulations are in Chad, but maybe you could check it out. A 50mm to 75mm slab is all you will need for a small shed. not to hard to do. My first slab i did was perfect for a water tank.
Give it ago, not too hard. Even Bunnings have basic info on slab pouring for paths.

Goodluck KR

poor relative
WA, 9089 posts
2 Jun 2011 5:54PM
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Just finished a limesone retainer today looks shmick and is solid.
I'm feeling adventurous and manly.

think i might give the slab a go.
I'm only going to put a small shed on this one 3x3 but will be for keeping toys in bikes, kites boards, etc etc so want it dry and safe.

I've got room at the back of the yard for a proper shed where men can make stuff, drink beer and watch footy - it means cutting down an old black boy which pains me a bit so i will contemplate it for a while.

Thanks for the advice all and thanks for the offer of slabs funkster

Prawnhead
NSW, 1317 posts
2 Jun 2011 8:08PM
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you know the drill PR...... photos ....or a "limesone retainer" is really just a double gin with slice of lime in a fancy glass

poor relative
WA, 9089 posts
2 Jun 2011 6:11PM
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LOL

I'll post some photos tomorrow right now i am aching and enjoying a cold beer.

Craig66
NSW, 2460 posts
2 Jun 2011 8:20PM
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kyteryder said...

councils have an exempt development, within policy for some structures. In NSW most councils included sheds within this code, under 20m2. Which means you dont need their permission. I'm not sure what the regulations are in Chad, but maybe you could check it out. A 50mm to 75mm slab is all you will need for a small shed. not to hard to do. My first slab i did was perfect for a water tank.
Give it ago, not too hard. Even Bunnings have basic info on slab pouring for paths.

Goodluck KR


Bunnings = brainewashed

kyteryder
NSW, 692 posts
2 Jun 2011 8:31PM
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Craig66 said...

kyteryder said...

councils have an exempt development, within policy for some structures. In NSW most councils included sheds within this code, under 20m2. Which means you dont need their permission. I'm not sure what the regulations are in Chad, but maybe you could check it out. A 50mm to 75mm slab is all you will need for a small shed. not to hard to do. My first slab i did was perfect for a water tank.
Give it ago, not too hard. Even Bunnings have basic info on slab pouring for paths.

Goodluck KR


Bunnings = brainewashed


Agreed wait until Masters have opened up, will be just as bad.

Craig66
NSW, 2460 posts
2 Jun 2011 8:42PM
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kyteryder said...

Craig66 said...

kyteryder said...

councils have an exempt development, within policy for some structures. In NSW most councils included sheds within this code, under 20m2. Which means you dont need their permission. I'm not sure what the regulations are in Chad, but maybe you could check it out. A 50mm to 75mm slab is all you will need for a small shed. not to hard to do. My first slab i did was perfect for a water tank.
Give it ago, not too hard. Even Bunnings have basic info on slab pouring for paths.

Goodluck KR


Bunnings = brainewashed


Agreed wait until Masters have opened up, will be just as bad.




I have been in the building industry from when i was 15 as a brickie/builder, i would still pay a to have a slab finished.
When I finish concrete it non slip with many trip hazards

dinsdale
WA, 1227 posts
2 Jun 2011 6:56PM
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poor relative said...
... it means cutting down an old black boy which pains me a bit so i will contemplate it for a while.

You can sell them for heaps you know. There's a specialist blackboy removal mob in Welshpool Rd, on the north side, a couple o' hundred yards west of Tonkin Hwy. I believe that they're worth about $100. They sell them too.

Simondo
VIC, 8020 posts
2 Jun 2011 8:57PM
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I prepared this for you guys earlier today.

ok
NSW, 1088 posts
2 Jun 2011 9:24PM
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Is that video above a joke? Reo in the dirt, timber expansion joint no idea how to use a screeed or how to scrreed haha

FormulaNova
WA, 14734 posts
2 Jun 2011 7:47PM
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Craig66 said...

I have been in the building industry from when i was 15 as a brickie/builder, i would still pay a to have a slab finished.
When I finish concrete it non slip with many trip hazards



I used to help my father and grandfather do a bit of DIY concrete laying when I was young.

After getting crazy quotes for a driveway, a week ago I enlisted my 67 YO father to help me and we laid a 7m x 4m section in half a day. I won't ask him to help me with that amount again, but two people my age should be able to handle it okay.

It's not a pretty section of driveway, but still pretty good. If I wanted it to look pretty I would have spent more time finishing it, but more than good enough for what I want.

I think section a third that size and not on a slope, would have been a piece of cake.


landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
2 Jun 2011 7:51PM
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Ideally buy a framed shed ,so you have something solid to bolt the extensions to, site it 2m from a fence , so you have a extra wall for one of the extensions
make sure you extend your slab outside for the metalworking area
do try to get 15amp power points and lights inside.
that is the key to maximum use of the shed

FormulaNova
WA, 14734 posts
2 Jun 2011 8:17PM
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ok said...

Is that video above a joke? Reo in the dirt, timber expansion joint no idea how to use a screeed or how to scrreed haha


It couldn't have been too bad in that they got there. The screeding didn't look too flash but they must have done it again because it looked okay. It was a pretty awkward place up against some brickwork, with a camera running.

Are you sure about the 'timber expansion joint'? I wouldn't take the piss out of them if I didn't know the difference between an expansion joint and a control joint.

They were using the timber to mark where they were going to put the control joint.

I agree about the bar though. Maybe they had some stones under it at least holding it up a bit.

(Here I am thinking I am an expert, and I will be glad if my slab stays in one piece for more than a month!)

ok
NSW, 1088 posts
2 Jun 2011 10:31PM
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the timber expansion joint runnin parrellel with the brickwork is doing absoulutely nothing goin up against the other concrete?
And when ur doing a control joint best to use ur longest screed as a straight edge not to do it free hand so if it does crack u cant cut a square bit of concrete out instead of curvey one.

Apart from all that concrete is pretty simple just a fancy version of mud jsut make it wet so u can play with it longer and people can write there name it! and the longer it takes to dry the stronger it is!

busterwa
3777 posts
2 Jun 2011 9:01PM
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why is everyone going on about the slab. that can be done last your uprights can be secured by using half cut 44 gallon drums uprights set in bricks rocks and concrete. This would be your first step. They dont require bolting into a pad.
Secondly you may need a crane or cherry picker to lift the archways to the uprights.

You can even fabricate it all yourself but its cheaper getting the Chinese to do it.

dirtyharry
WA, 444 posts
2 Jun 2011 9:15PM
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busterwa said...

why is everyone going on about the slab. that can be done last your uprights can be secured by using half cut 44 gallon drums uprights set in bricks rocks and concrete. This would be your first step. They dont require bolting into a pad.
Secondly you may need a crane or cherry picker to lift the archways to the uprights.

You can even fabricate it all yourself but its cheaper getting the Chinese to do it.


He's said he's doing a 3m x 3m shed mate. Cherry pickers and cranes might be a bit over the top, and 1/2 44's sat on the ground for footings are going to take up a fair whack of the internal area!

busterwa
3777 posts
2 Jun 2011 9:22PM
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Im no ERECTION engineer but it will be able to withstand winds of up to 300 kph
ok mabe down grade the half 44 gallon drums to ice cream containers.



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