Funny how the "Greatest Moral Challenge of our time" ends up being $10 a week.
We should try and keep the discussion a bit friendlier.
C'mon loggy, we have been here before, lil' piggy dullard is not to my liking. Neither was Howard, swine.
Guys, for me, it's not the tax. It is the MANY taxes, and most importantly, the history of mismanagement of money by THIS government.
The economy is not a path, it's cyclical, and it will feedback! This tax may mean we spend $10 a week more in 2012. This may double in 2013 - who knows? We do know it will increase. These are piddly little number we can palate - right!?! I doubt that the treasury modelling is correct - remember - they are trying to sell us something that will cost us! I also have doubts about the forecast impacts on the economy. How about some real facts on the costs and reliability of clean power? Post-****ushima, Germany announced they are replacing their reactors - with what - coal!
The global economy is not that healthy - US, Greece, Spain, Italy, Portugal, Ireland... heard it all before. The one good thing here is that the massive US private sector is now more competitive internationally as their dollar is busted! I can't see much thinking from the Labs on this one. Perhaps no thinking at all.
The Australian economy is strong because of that tall poppy, the resources sector. It must be pulled back to the same place as other sectors such as construction and tourism. What were the latest construction industry figures - was it -12 or -15%?
The MRRT and carbon tax, the ol' boxing one two, are a good attempt at doing this, and this will feedback through the economy, the direct tax will reduce as there is less money available, and eventually the income tax pool will also reduce.
SOG - So circular bro... Pugwash is not on a side!
Personally, I believe major policy change should be by mandate. GST, mandate. WorkChoices, no mandate.
Are you telling us about a squandered opportunity? And are you also telling us that you think government shall do as it pleases, and ignore magic mandates for massive policy change... Excellent
ROFL...
I remember Malcolm Turnbull saying something funny on Q and A about the Libs will help you do what you think is best for you, the Labs will help you do what they think is best for you
I don't think this government spends more wisely then me either - I drive a holden commodore not a ferrari california. It is not pretty, it is not fast, but it gets me from A to B. NBN = ferrari california. It's a real quick ride that will take me a very long time to pay off - particularly when the cost doubles due to mismanagement, poor quoting, high labor/labour costs and time over-runs.
How is Heathen Scripture different from Murdoch or Alan Jones? It's all just opinion. Perhaps you agree with one lot more than the other, and get all warm and fuzzy when you read it?
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So once this tax is implemented , carbon tax credits are purchased , right?
Carbon credits
are a key component of national and international emissions trading system that have been implemented to mitigate global warming. They provide a way to reduce greenhouse effect emissions on an industrial scale by capping total annual emissions and letting the market assign a monetary value to any shortfall through trading. Credits can be exchanged between businesses or bought and sold in international markets at the prevailing market price. There are also many companies that sell carbon credits to commercial and individual customers who are interested in lowering their carbon footprint on a voluntary basis. These carbon offsetters purchase the credits from an investment fund or a carbon development company that has aggregated the credits from individual projects. The quality of the credits is based in part on the validation process and sophistication of the fund or development company that acted as the sponsor to the carbon project. This is reflected in their price; voluntary units typically have less value than the units sold through the rigorously-validated Clean Development Mechanism. In the near future this site may be offering carbon offsets but at this time thay are not available. The reason for our position on this is we first need to reduce all consumpution of fossil fuels prior to resorting to this option.
so they are going to be purchaced overseas? is this right ?
where are the benefits for us?
At the end of the day, if you believe a higher cost of living is beneficial to your family sit back relax and wait for it to happen.
If you don't think a higher cost of living is going to be good for your family, then let people know.
And if you think the government is going to cover your increased living costs, when it can't afford to pay nurses, cops, other public servants and for desperately needed infrastructure.... then you're hopelessly naive.
ok. i'm an idiot compared to most of you lot on this forum. i'm from the gold coast, qld. i'm a builder/carpenter. this the worse reccesion i've ever seen in all my time. the domestic sector is almost none existent on the goldie- has been for over two years.
a lot of people are really struggling. handouts to the goverment building secter- nice one, that'll get things going.
master builders have quoted up to 10% extra to housing costs- we're dead and we've got to find more money to survive. this goverment, our state goverment just doesn't get it- no one has got any money.
and i'm not convinced it's going to make one jack of any difference and as sure as i'm alive we will pay more and more after the trinkets stop
there must be another way.
i'm out of my depth here, but has anyone got any ideas for a better green plan or is this the real deal long term
Well a good point it Wranger has curbed an interest rate rise (pending inflation) and has really taken money from banks . If you own assets they have just gone up 2 percent.
Carbon Tax basically placed struggling people over the edge Be asured that an interest rate rise is off the cards now ordinary people cant afford it This will curb retail spending thus unemployment.
I think its a conspiracy between the reserve bank rate payers and a good head job to the greens
Nothing to worry about.
Think the fact that the labor party blatantly lied and stuck back hander deal with the greens hurt more people than the tax.
Rich get richer poor get poorer.
Just remember Everything is relative>