gobal warming is now being seen as a commodity. these potential users of this commodity don't/wont give a #hit about australia and thats my issue.
as soon as you bring the dollar and international interest into it's going to go pear shaped.
do we really want gobal warming to be played by corporates.
less talk of money and more doing by our goverments imo
History's top 11 appropriate uses of the F-word:
11th - "Scattered f***ing showers, my arse!" - Noah, 4314 BC
10th - "How the f*** did you work that out?" - Pythagoras, 126 BC
9th - "You want WHAT on the f***ing ceiling?" - Michelangelo, 1566
8th - "Where did all those f***ing Indians come from?" - Custer, 1877
7th - "It does so f***ing look like her!" - Picasso, 1926
6th - "Where the f*** are we?" – Amelia Earhart, 1937
5th - "Any f***ing idiot could understand that." - Einstein, 1938
4th - "What the f*** was that?" - Mayor of Hiroshima, 1945
3rd - "I need this parade like I need a f***ing hole in the head!" - JFK, 1963
2nd - "Aw c'mon. Who the f*** is gonna find out?" - Tiger Woods, 2009
AND .... just arrived...
"I'm going to save the f***ing world with my carbon tax!!" - Julia Gillard, 2011
got into discussion/argument last night with my otherwise intelligent corporate media brainwashed parents.
while watching ABC show about cost of carbon pricing i made valid point that if Abbott were to win office, he would not stop this carbon tax.[as sure as the sun comes up in the morning]
effectively,both sides of politics are for it,so what is the point of voting if on main issues we don't have a choice?
example of the degree of this corporate media brainwashing---my otherwise intelligent parents are absolutely convinced that the sea-levels are rising! that land on sea-level will soon be covered in water!
have sailed the river for 20 years, have not noticed ANY rise in water level,obviously is it happening, just ask the mindless masses like my parents. if you do not see any increase in water level then you are a nutcase/whacko/conspiracy theorist for not believing what the media/corporate scientists/govt pushes as truth.
Peter, take no notice of poor relative. He has been probed and an implant put into his brain. Now, when I get a bit bored I can make him think ridiculous thoughts just by using my PS3 controller. You should give it a try!! Check it out!! OK, so now I'm making him think he's a fluffy little fox terrier at feeding time. Sit poor relo!!! SIT!!!
tell me if i'm wrong here. the big polluters get hit with a tax. they have the choice of changing their setup which will cost them money or there is nothing to stop them passing the tax onto consumers. consumers get rebates from the goverment- for how long?. in the second likely scenario as i've portrayed, 'acme coaling burning inc' is still pouring out carbon.
i've made this pretty simple. i am genuinely interested in the brains of the general forum explaining if this right or not.
cheers
Second scenario is most likely LL. But of course the consumer has a choice too. He can buy from acme coal, and pay the passsed through tax, or choose to buy from wally's windfarm, who pays no tax. But the consumer still gets the rebate, so ends up in front.
Compare this to the alternative proposal. The government pays acme coal to cut back on the coal burning and invest in cleaner technology. The government gets the money to pay acme coal from the taxpayer. Gee, that sounds like a good deal for us taxpayers, right?.
I have just received Gillard's sales brochure on the carbon tax entitled "What a carbon price means for you." with headings such as:-
"Millions of households will be better off."
"Assistance will be permanent and will increase."
"Tax cuts for millions of people."
"Over one million more Australians will no longer need to lodge a tax return."
"Increased payments for age pensioners."
"Tax cuts and increased payments for families."
"Tax cuts and extra payments for self-funded retirees."
"Supporting people with disability and carers."
"Assistance for students and low-income earners."
"You can play your part and save money too."
It all sounds like "smoke and mirrors" to me and a typical left wing Labor ploy to buy the vote of welfare recipients and n'eer do wells.
This country is already buckling under the weight of welfare hand outs and now hardly is the time to be increasing them.
The perspective in this email copy and paste below, I think is closer to reality.
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So this is how it works?
And, there are another 499 other businesses out there, who will suffer.
Why don't the Government include themselves as one of the top 500 polluters. Government cars, Aeroplane trips and Energy suppliers. It is ridiculous, particularly as their emissions increased more than 15% in the last year (just 1 year?), they certainly setting 'by example'????.
As they say the Australian public are 'Plebs' and their bureaucracies will do as they please (from leaked email)
Subject: STOP PRESS Latest on carbon tax.
Julia Gillard's Labor and the Greens are going to take us all down with this carbon tax.
We as Australians should protest & protest till we cannot protest any more. A real scenario bought on by Gillard.
A transport company by the name of Nolan's Transport which operates out of Gatton Qld. has been ear marked as one of Gillards 500.
This company has been going for 102 years and owns 126 transporters and employs 265 people.
Gillard has targeted this company in one of her 500 guests to pay carbon tax.
Just imagine this scenario, last year this company was told they put out 144,700 tonnes of carbon gas.
So 144,700 tonnes x $23 per tonne = $3,328,100 - yes that's correct, approx. 3.3 million dollars.
Where is the level playing field going to be if companies like this one, and there are several much bigger than Nolan's.
LinFox is another that comes to mind.
Gillard said there would be no extra charges on transport or fuel, what do you call $3.3 million on just one operator?
Any transport company not producing more than 25000 tonne are not paying anything.
What does it matter if Nolan's go broke or shut down his operation and another 126 transports are put on the road to take up the slack make.
Mr Nolan said in interview that if he put what the company was worth into a bank account he would make ten times as much as he makes now, so where is the justice.
We must as citizens of Australia and tax payers not to mention consumers of goods to keep this nation going must force Gillard's cronies to an election on the issue of Carbon Tax before July next Year.
If we don't this country will be ruined. I have given you one scenario, what about the other 499 companies that will follow.
And we also musn't forget the other smaller companies which will fail because these larger companies either fold or cut back on their work force.
COME ON AUSTRALIA THIS IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO BRING THIS GOVERNMENT TO THE POLLS TO SAVE OUR COUNTRY FROM GOING INTO POVERTY.
IF THIS GETS IN IT WILL TAKE MANY YEARS TO RECOVER.
SAVINGS WILL BE LOST THROUGH SUPERANNUATION SCHEMES ETC.
DO YOUR PATRIOTIC DUTY FOR YOUR FELLOW AUSTRALIANS.
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Apart from the unresolved debate about "Is climate affected by human activity?", this "Gillard Carbon Tax" will affect our CO2 emissions only by shutting down economic activity and impoverishing the nation.
Where we are being conned is the terminology, it is not a tax, it is wealth distribution. So what if a few companies go to the wall, the Government just wants the money from the "wealthy" (read - workers and business owners) to give to the poor (read - welfare recipients). If a few thousand lose their jobs, big deal, the Government lose a few votes, however, give the money from the Carbon "tax" to the millions upon millions of people on welfare in Oz and you are guarenteed their vote. A heck of a lot of people in this country are turned on by a few dollars more in their hand for doing nothing. Oh, and don't forget, they also keep the Greens happy!!!!
LOL Good on yer mate!!! I didn't think I would get away with it scott free.
" welfare recipients and n'eer do wells ".......Yeah couldn't agree more , the sooner those old age pensioners **** off, the better off we'll all be
1.- Unconditional pledge of 5% below 2000 levels.
2000 = 558 Mt CO2-e
2000 = Population 19200.0 (www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/Previousproducts/3201.0Media%20Release1Jun%202000)
2010 = Current 624 Mt CO2-e
2010 = Population 22477.4 (www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/mf/3101.0)
2010 = Increase emission from 2000 12%
2010 = Increase population from 2000 17%
2020 = Projected 690 Mt CO2-e
2020 = Target 530 Mt CO2-e
2050 = Target 60 or 80% below 2000 levels... I noticed www.climatechange.gov.au/ says 60% but the propaganda leaflet I think said 80%, can somebody confirm this?
Don't worry the government's going to cover all your costs, you'll be better off, trust them... they never lie.
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personally, i don't give a rats ass who they give the money too, as long as something happens with our enconomy. it's been over two years in recession.
Where did you get that?
in my time, the big end of town don't open up until the liberals in- right or wrong, they don't trust labor. right or wrong we need the big end of town
i expect to be hammered for this
Yes but they need us as well, look at them crying because we started to care about our wallet b4 their profit and buying on line for 1/2 price! Greedy greedy bastards!
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personally, i don't give a rats ass who they give the money too, as long as something happens with our enconomy. it's been over two years in recession.
Where did you get that?
in my time, the big end of town don't open up until the liberals in- right or wrong, they don't trust labor. right or wrong we need the big end of town
i expect to be hammered for this
Yes but they need us as well, look at them crying because we started to care about our wallet b4 their profit and buying on line for 1/2 price! Greedy greedy bastards!
i don't know where you live, but i'm living it with a lot of other people in the gold coast/se region and it's getting even worse- every business is suffering- two years plus, real hardship stories in the papers daily and nobody one in the goverment seems to give hoot. hmmm, must not be that way in other states? talk of taxes around these parts doesn't go down to well
it's worse was then i've ever seen in my time. talk is of a pickup at christmas, but i can't see it
cheers
Select to expand quotelaceys lane said...felixdcat said...
personally, i don't give a rats ass who they give the money too, as long as something happens with our enconomy. it's been over two years in recession.
Where did you get that?
in my time, the big end of town don't open up until the liberals in- right or wrong, they don't trust labor. right or wrong we need the big end of town
i expect to be hammered for this
Yes but they need us as well, look at them crying because we started to care about our wallet b4 their profit and buying on line for 1/2 price! Greedy greedy bastards!
i don't know where you live, but i'm living it with a lot of other people in the gold coast/se region and it's getting even worse- every business is suffering- two years plus, real hardship stories in the papers daily and nobody one in the goverment seems to give hoot. hmmm, must not be that way in other states? talk of taxes around these parts doesn't go down to well
it's worse was then i've ever seen in my time. talk is of a pickup at christmas, but i can't see it
cheers
I am having a go at the BIG END OF TOWN not the small business owners I know they are struggling, I am thinking more like Coles, Myer's, Harvey Norman... The big corporate that owns the retail centre (the greediest of all)...... Try to pay $ 35,000.00 (plus 10% of profit) a month for renting a small outlet in a food mall that is the kind of blood suckers I am having a go!
