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Created by frant > 9 months ago, 1 Mar 2011
decrepit
WA, 12166 posts
3 Mar 2011 8:09PM
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frant said...
>>>>>>, poor old Decrepit is going to miss out on the red after all.>>>>>
Frant


No worries Frant, as long as you get it going.

I'm wondering what the "3rd" event will be though.

Mark _australia
WA, 22423 posts
4 Mar 2011 5:59PM
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doggie said...

Mark _australia said...

nebbian said...

Mark _australia said...

Thumbs up for the last sentence. Give me something I can SEE and bodgy up with JB weld and a coathanger, or manufacture a new part, anyday


The irony of posting a message like that on an internet forum isn't lost on some people


Haven't you seen my coathanger wire and JB weld PC?

OMG!!





JB weld rocks but it is not conductive enough.
5min araldite with a heap of aluminium dust in it is the usual repair when I can't be bothered soldering
Don't even ask about the coathanger wire hahaha

vwpete
WA, 139 posts
6 Mar 2011 10:31AM
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Frant, I would stop relying on this old pc, its gonna die again, I would get this moved to a virtual image. While its still running. I like vmware and virtual pc, here is a how to www.online-tech-tips.com/free-software-downloads/convert-pc-into-virtual-machine/
But also check out vmware.

Once you have turned your old win95 into a virtuial pc, you will then be able to run it on any new pc from mac to linux to win7. So you will never have to worry about hardware again.

How does your Spectrometer actually connect to your PC, is it by serial port or lpt If so this will be the pain in the backside bit, getting the passthrough to work. If its usb you should be sweet.

If you have a good internet connection I could remote in and get it all done for you, all I ask is that you then help me with my Death Ray of doom!!!!! Maohaha

frant
VIC, 1230 posts
6 Mar 2011 5:42PM
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vwpete said...

Frant, I would stop relying on this old pc, its gonna die again, I would get this moved to a virtual image. While its still running. I like vmware and virtual pc, here is a how to www.online-tech-tips.com/free-software-downloads/convert-pc-into-virtual-machine/
But also check out vmware.

Once you have turned your old win95 into a virtuial pc, you will then be able to run it on any new pc from mac to linux to win7. So you will never have to worry about hardware again.

How does your Spectrometer actually connect to your PC, is it by serial port or lpt If so this will be the pain in the backside bit, getting the passthrough to work. If its usb you should be sweet.

If you have a good internet connection I could remote in and get it all done for you, all I ask is that you then help me with my Death Ray of doom!!!!! Maohaha



I think that I have had a timely wake up call. This is actually the third failure since new. The previous occasions simply relied on installing the WIN OESv2.1 software onto a Win95 machine and restoring backup data. I now have the system running on what should be a short term reliable computer. The immediate pressure is off as in I don't have production going on without QC.
My project for this week is to get a virtual machine running on a dedicated pc.
What I have is a backup of the complete hard drive on my work pc. I have a physical hard drive that has this backup restored onto. I have the original OES software CD and licence/serial numbers in safe keeping. I have the original callibration databackup diskettes but not sure if I have a working disk drive on any computer. Will back these up onto a memory stick. My old man ias going to build and install W95 onto an old computer this weekend so will have a duplicate machine on standby.
Now that the problem is only a "virtual' or potential problem I am happy to tackle the task of setting up the virtual computer. I may take you up on your offer to do a remote installation. The spectrometer connects to the serial port via an RS232 plug. Not sure about the death ray of doom as I am an avowed pacifist but I can make a damn good tin foil hat for defense against such rays.

nebbian
WA, 6277 posts
6 Mar 2011 6:46PM
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USB -> Serial converters are quite common, very cheap, and should interface easily to a virtual machine.

I've got one that I interface to my virtual machine and it works quite well

vwpete
WA, 139 posts
6 Mar 2011 9:14PM
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As the man says a usb serial port adaptor normally does the trick. But 1st follow the instructions I pasted and get the VM up and running. Then you can worry about the usb serial interface. I was kidding about the death ray. I could most prob do it for ya remotely but it would be a pain, i would need somink to make it worth my while. To be fair ya should be able to sort it yourself, or at the very least find some computer savvy chap locally to do it for you. If you really get stuck PM me.

NowindSurfer
WA, 163 posts
7 Mar 2011 1:43PM
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Hey guys i was wondering if anyone has much to do with 3 dimentional cnc models.
I have found some hardware but not sure what software to run etc anyone built one?

And if i purchased one of there cards would it pug into a normal destop computer or would you require to build a new specific computer/.

hobbycnc.com/
Any help would be appreciated!

evlPanda
NSW, 9202 posts
9 Mar 2011 12:15AM
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Why do computer programmers confuse Halloween and Christmas?
Because OCT 31 = DEC 25.

Sorry, just to confirm, you have a Spectrometer. In a boat. And you sailed across to Tasmania with it. And you're running Windows 95. In a boat. Sailing. With a spectrometer.

oliver
3952 posts
8 Mar 2011 10:12PM
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frant said...

vwpete said...

Frant, I would stop relying on this old pc, its gonna die again, I would get this moved to a virtual image. While its still running. I like vmware and virtual pc, here is a how to www.online-tech-tips.com/free-software-downloads/convert-pc-into-virtual-machine/
But also check out vmware.

Once you have turned your old win95 into a virtuial pc, you will then be able to run it on any new pc from mac to linux to win7. So you will never have to worry about hardware again.

How does your Spectrometer actually connect to your PC, is it by serial port or lpt If so this will be the pain in the backside bit, getting the passthrough to work. If its usb you should be sweet.

If you have a good internet connection I could remote in and get it all done for you, all I ask is that you then help me with my Death Ray of doom!!!!! Maohaha



I think that I have had a timely wake up call. This is actually the third failure since new. The previous occasions simply relied on installing the WIN OESv2.1 software onto a Win95 machine and restoring backup data. I now have the system running on what should be a short term reliable computer. The immediate pressure is off as in I don't have production going on without QC.
My project for this week is to get a virtual machine running on a dedicated pc.
What I have is a backup of the complete hard drive on my work pc. I have a physical hard drive that has this backup restored onto. I have the original OES software CD and licence/serial numbers in safe keeping. I have the original callibration databackup diskettes but not sure if I have a working disk drive on any computer. Will back these up onto a memory stick. My old man ias going to build and install W95 onto an old computer this weekend so will have a duplicate machine on standby.
Now that the problem is only a "virtual' or potential problem I am happy to tackle the task of setting up the virtual computer. I may take you up on your offer to do a remote installation. The spectrometer connects to the serial port via an RS232 plug. Not sure about the death ray of doom as I am an avowed pacifist but I can make a damn good tin foil hat for defense against such rays.


One other thing I'd suggest is that when setting up this virtual machine you start a blog to document how you went about getting it up and running. It will take some time, but there would be lots of people who have done it before so use google to find a good starting point.

When you can quickly replicate setting up a virtual machine with windows 95 and your software, document this process for quick reference. That way when the virtual machine fails - which it will - you won't have to panic.

It would also be worth spending a couple of hours installing the software on XP and running it in compatibility mode, as wisely suggested previously - if that works I'd be pretty happy and wouldn't bother with the virtual machine.

Mark _australia
WA, 22423 posts
8 Mar 2011 11:07PM
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I'm confused

If I can use old files on my computer (like new school Word recognises old school Word docs, and so it fkn should)...

and if people can use some emulator thingo to play sucky old green screen games on new PC's....

why the hell is it so hard to run some Win95 program now, or use XP etc to run an older spectrometer?

Please excuse my ignorance I am genuinely interested.

Seeing as though a virtual machine sounds like something that doesn't exist - a bit "emporor's new clothes" really, I may start selling virtual machines on eBay and make a fortune!!! Maybe a cereal carton with some buttons and stuff glued on?



This sounds a bit like NASA trying to find some old IC chip that is obsolete to repair the space shuttle and they were paying top dollar for buggered old Atari consoles or C64's or 1980's microwave ovens or somehting.
Trippy ...... but probably urban legend debunked by that Snope fellow on Mythbusters...

busterwa
3777 posts
9 Mar 2011 12:31AM
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Its happen mark !!!

No wind your better of writing it down on paper and faxing it to china. This would be a cheaper alternative fpr parts than than setting up an cnc machine in your kitchen.
I was thinking about it myself but dont have the knowledge or training to run and import into gcode. If you have the time to start writing codes etc do it but if it is once of parts i can smash them out quicker with a manual lathe and milling machine.
I thin cnc machines are used for mass scale production they are very accurate but take time to setup. Being a mechanical fitter our main objectives are to keep production lines running i have high machining skills and can knock stuff up quickly.
If you are chancing spares (non production down) find a good cnc shop and give them the drawings.
The problem is now with parts manufacture is there industry specific to cnc alot of the parts now are expensive because the manufacturer has the gcode and machines for them .
They are starting 3 dimensional scanning an duplication .You will one day go to a shop drop your part on a duplicating machine and 15 min later pick it up .
here is an example of where its heading !


frant
VIC, 1230 posts
9 Mar 2011 11:29AM
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oliver said...

frant said...

vwpete said...

Frant, I would stop relying on this old pc, its gonna die again, I would get this moved to a virtual image. While its still running. I like vmware and virtual pc, here is a how to www.online-tech-tips.com/free-software-downloads/convert-pc-into-virtual-machine/
But also check out vmware.

Once you have turned your old win95 into a virtuial pc, you will then be able to run it on any new pc from mac to linux to win7. So you will never have to worry about hardware again.

How does your Spectrometer actually connect to your PC, is it by serial port or lpt If so this will be the pain in the backside bit, getting the passthrough to work. If its usb you should be sweet.

If you have a good internet connection I could remote in and get it all done for you, all I ask is that you then help me with my Death Ray of doom!!!!! Maohaha



I think that I have had a timely wake up call. This is actually the third failure since new. The previous occasions simply relied on installing the WIN OESv2.1 software onto a Win95 machine and restoring backup data. I now have the system running on what should be a short term reliable computer. The immediate pressure is off as in I don't have production going on without QC.
My project for this week is to get a virtual machine running on a dedicated pc.
What I have is a backup of the complete hard drive on my work pc. I have a physical hard drive that has this backup restored onto. I have the original OES software CD and licence/serial numbers in safe keeping. I have the original callibration databackup diskettes but not sure if I have a working disk drive on any computer. Will back these up onto a memory stick. My old man ias going to build and install W95 onto an old computer this weekend so will have a duplicate machine on standby.
Now that the problem is only a "virtual' or potential problem I am happy to tackle the task of setting up the virtual computer. I may take you up on your offer to do a remote installation. The spectrometer connects to the serial port via an RS232 plug. Not sure about the death ray of doom as I am an avowed pacifist but I can make a damn good tin foil hat for defense against such rays.


One other thing I'd suggest is that when setting up this virtual machine you start a blog to document how you went about getting it up and running. It will take some time, but there would be lots of people who have done it before so use google to find a good starting point.

When you can quickly replicate setting up a virtual machine with windows 95 and your software, document this process for quick reference. That way when the virtual machine fails - which it will - you won't have to panic.

It would also be worth spending a couple of hours installing the software on XP and running it in compatibility mode, as wisely suggested previously - if that works I'd be pretty happy and wouldn't bother with the virtual machine.


Not having much luck with virtual machine so that is on the backburner. Tried loading the WinOE software onto XP in both normal and Win95 compatibility mode on my real pc. In both cases the CD goes through the installation wizard allowing me to select options etc. However for whatever reason the available space for installation is shown as 0 in each case. If I hit the "install" radio button get back an error message advising that there is no available space for installation. Any suggestions? Similarly when I try to boot the physical copy hard disk in a foreign machine it goes part way through the W95 boot before advising error message "insufficient memory".
Am making some progress with a Win95 duplicate machine. Have got the downloaded Win 95C CD and boot floppy to start installation, but it seems that the hard drive on that machine is dead. Will get another HD and go from there.

myusernam
QLD, 6124 posts
9 Mar 2011 10:45AM
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frant said...

oliver said...

frant said...

vwpete said...

Frant, I would stop relying on this old pc, its gonna die again, I would get this moved to a virtual image. While its still running. I like vmware and virtual pc, here is a how to www.online-tech-tips.com/free-software-downloads/convert-pc-into-virtual-machine/
But also check out vmware.

Once you have turned your old win95 into a virtuial pc, you will then be able to run it on any new pc from mac to linux to win7. So you will never have to worry about hardware again.

How does your Spectrometer actually connect to your PC, is it by serial port or lpt If so this will be the pain in the backside bit, getting the passthrough to work. If its usb you should be sweet.

If you have a good internet connection I could remote in and get it all done for you, all I ask is that you then help me with my Death Ray of doom!!!!! Maohaha



I think that I have had a timely wake up call. This is actually the third failure since new. The previous occasions simply relied on installing the WIN OESv2.1 software onto a Win95 machine and restoring backup data. I now have the system running on what should be a short term reliable computer. The immediate pressure is off as in I don't have production going on without QC.
My project for this week is to get a virtual machine running on a dedicated pc.
What I have is a backup of the complete hard drive on my work pc. I have a physical hard drive that has this backup restored onto. I have the original OES software CD and licence/serial numbers in safe keeping. I have the original callibration databackup diskettes but not sure if I have a working disk drive on any computer. Will back these up onto a memory stick. My old man ias going to build and install W95 onto an old computer this weekend so will have a duplicate machine on standby.
Now that the problem is only a "virtual' or potential problem I am happy to tackle the task of setting up the virtual computer. I may take you up on your offer to do a remote installation. The spectrometer connects to the serial port via an RS232 plug. Not sure about the death ray of doom as I am an avowed pacifist but I can make a damn good tin foil hat for defense against such rays.


One other thing I'd suggest is that when setting up this virtual machine you start a blog to document how you went about getting it up and running. It will take some time, but there would be lots of people who have done it before so use google to find a good starting point.

When you can quickly replicate setting up a virtual machine with windows 95 and your software, document this process for quick reference. That way when the virtual machine fails - which it will - you won't have to panic.

It would also be worth spending a couple of hours installing the software on XP and running it in compatibility mode, as wisely suggested previously - if that works I'd be pretty happy and wouldn't bother with the virtual machine.


Not having much luck with virtual machine so that is on the backburner. Tried loading the WinOE software onto XP in both normal and Win95 compatibility mode on my real pc. In both cases the CD goes through the installation wizard allowing me to select options etc. However for whatever reason the available space for installation is shown as 0 in each case. If I hit the "install" radio button get back an error message advising that there is no available space for installation. Any suggestions? Similarly when I try to boot the physical copy hard disk in a foreign machine it goes part way through the W95 boot before advising error message "insufficient memory".
Am making some progress with a Win95 duplicate machine. Have got the downloaded Win 95C CD and boot floppy to start installation, but it seems that the hard drive on that machine is dead. Will get another HD and go from there.


Hi frant. I might be showing my ignorance here but if you can make an image of the drive why cant you just image it and then restore on a new computer? Apart from driver problems assciated with the new hardware, which can be resolved using a hardware independant restore, (software I mentioned earlier - shadowprotect) and then installing the new drivers I cant see the problem? If I have it wrong I would appreciate someone letting me know because I need to do stuff like this from time to time.

frant
VIC, 1230 posts
9 Mar 2011 11:55AM
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Hi frant. I might be showing my ignorance here but if you can make an image of the drive why cant you just image it and then restore on a new computer? Apart from driver problems assciated with the new hardware, which can be resolved using a hardware independant restore, (software I mentioned earlier - shadowprotect) and then installing the new drivers I cant see the problem? If I have it wrong I would appreciate someone letting me know because I need to do stuff like this from time to time.


My sentiments exactly. Why can't I just restore an image onto a new computer? It just doesn't seem to work like that!!

vwpete
WA, 139 posts
9 Mar 2011 12:50PM
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frant said...



Hi frant. I might be showing my ignorance here but if you can make an image of the drive why cant you just image it and then restore on a new computer? Apart from driver problems assciated with the new hardware, which can be resolved using a hardware independant restore, (software I mentioned earlier - shadowprotect) and then installing the new drivers I cant see the problem? If I have it wrong I would appreciate someone letting me know because I need to do stuff like this from time to time.


My sentiments exactly. Why can't I just restore an image onto a new computer? It just doesn't seem to work like that!!


:) :) :) :) :) Classic

yeah why don't a 15 year old operating system work on new systems. :) :)

Classic!

Cos a new system has so many core components that win95 does not have drivers for. I could go on about 8bit and 16bit instruction sets and some very nerdy component comparison info, but seriously who really cares. To be honest it prob can be done but would take many hours of faffin about. Let's say you did manage it, you would still be reliant on that hardware, so same prob in 5 years time.

Trust me on this; the absolute best way to go about this is to virtualise this win95 box. It's dead easy to do and will free you from hardware based issues from PC upgrades in the future.



oliver
3952 posts
9 Mar 2011 6:26PM
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vwpete said...

It's dead easy to do


Pfffffft

Just ask jeeves

frant
VIC, 1230 posts
15 Mar 2011 4:36PM
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A funny thing has just happened. Last Friday I took all the guff home to do a virtual PC installation on my home computer as my work computer has a "raid" hardrive setup (2 hardisks operating in parallel for greater speed) which seemed to be adding complications. Fortunately home pc doesn't have a floppy drive so I could not get to proceed as the W95 relies on a boot floppy before you can see the CD drive.
In my frustration I thought that I would just burn a backup to the spectrometer software original CD cause with all the trial installations it was bound to become corrupted. When inserted into the CD drive of my Windows XP home machine the installation wizard popped up and did his thing resulting in an apparent working version of the software. Today I have downloaded the calibration data and results file from the backup hardrive and transferred these to my home pc from a USB stick. I have just plugged the spectrometer into this pc and performed an instrument diagnostic test and a test Analysis.
Now that I recall previous attempts to upload the software have been onto Windows 98 or Windows ME or my bodgy work computer.
Thanks to all who offered help, now I am off to tinker with a real machine. Will post pics for Mark.

frant
VIC, 1230 posts
22 Mar 2011 4:44PM
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The original fix Win95 computer started becoming unstable over the last couple of days and has finally crashed proper. Just as well I had my home pc ready to go.



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