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Cost of living in a car...

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Created by pierrec45 > 9 months ago, 14 Jan 2012
ockanui
VIC, 1299 posts
16 Jan 2012 8:49PM
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I have had discussions with lots of people that would like to drop out, their notion of dropping out is self sufficiency through their efforts in sustainability, from what i gather the dropping out being written about is more like running away,as climbing in dumpsters for food and taking free from others is a little like passing the battern of the responsibility of your action and welfare on to unsuspecting individuals, justbelieve in what goes round comes round theory one day retribution may be coming, not in the religious sense more some big f....er will take exception. Bingo you will have to drop in to have medical care that others have paid for.....

FormulaNova
WA, 14439 posts
16 Jan 2012 7:39PM
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deXtrous said...
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As if the companies who sell us broadband aren't a rip off anyway. You realise in America there is no such thing as 'capped internet' because all of their plans have truly unlimited bandwidth? Is it the Australian way to take it in the backside and pay for it too?



When I was last across this, about ten years ago (!), Australian companies connecting to the USA would be charged per megabyte downloaded, yet any content that anyone in the USA used from Australia was not paid for.

I don't know if this is still the case, but it changes the story a bit when one side has to pay and the other does not.

I think the USA has a much higher population and higher population density. A lot of the services we use on the Internet are based there, so it stands to reason that economies of scale, and having the services local means it is cheaper.

We have some large capacity cables from Australia to the US. Do you think the US paid to connect to us? I don't think so. I think the people that paid and built those cables probably want a return on their investment.



busterwa
3777 posts
16 Jan 2012 7:59PM
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GreenPat said...

deXtrous said...

I don't see copying a dvd as stealing.



Copying DVDs is stealing, whether or not you see it that way.


Why would you need to copy it when you can just go and download it?

adolf
1862 posts
16 Jan 2012 8:12PM
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deXtrous said...

I used to work at a grocery store and you have no idea how much good food they throw out simply because the "expiration" date (or more like sell by or best use by), or it doesn't "look good". It really pissed me off. They don't even allow you to give away some of the stuff to people willing to take it off your hands and they even put locks on the dumpsters at night for fear of theft...stealing something that is going to be thrown away anyways. total BS

In all honesty, dumpsters are cleaner than half the restaraunts and stores we pay to get food from anyway.


Instead of living out of bins theiving your way across Australia and washing in Macdonalds, why not open a "peoples supermarket" - you have some experience?

pierrec45
NSW, 2005 posts
17 Jan 2012 1:15AM
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Woof, is this taking off or what?
I think I'll just concentrate on helping someone here...

"why not let him go?" because he not thinking straight, he wouldn't be safe the road or cutting ties like that.

"are you sure you're not talking aloud?" nope. I did mine when it was not disadvantageous to do so. Nothing like a bit of planning when things go awry...

"they have enough bandwidth, so why not steal from them". I love your rationalization... you're an inch from "they have enough money, so why not...".

cisco
QLD, 12321 posts
17 Jan 2012 1:18AM
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busterwa said...

GreenPat said...

deXtrous said...

I don't see copying a dvd as stealing.



Copying DVDs is stealing, whether or not you see it that way.


Why would you need to copy it when you can just go and download it?


Why download it when you can stream it online??

deXtrous
NSW, 451 posts
17 Jan 2012 4:07PM
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rod_bunny said...

So... drawing the obvious conclusion from this thinking.... [}:)]

..why not just tap into the mains grid at any power pole? I mean its not being used yet and the power companies charge over the odds.


I would if it were easy enough, and without anyone ever finding out.


...why not just use someones car for the night, bring it back in the morning; no harm no foul?


Chances are someone will find out


hell... why not go so far as just wanging your knob in some unsuspecting woman, its not like its being used, you've not taken anything, there's no loss, in fact; you're giving her something for the trouble. Cant see anything wrong with that.... probably just an "infringement for violating her permission"


There is no loss in raping a woman? Can't see anything wrong with rape? Buddy you're one f*head that really needs to get sorted out.


Theft is theft is theft - would you be happy with someone just borrowing/using your stuff without your knowledge or explicit consent? Even if you'd happily lend it or share it - its always nice to be asked.


You're asking me if I'd be happy if I was unaware someone was tapping into my internet access? Well yes, I would be happy, considering I wouldn't even know, as generally, in life, I'm a pretty happy guy.



TurtleHunter
WA, 1675 posts
17 Jan 2012 2:30PM
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we see plenty of leeches coming through our town just like you dextrous. They park on our verge using our limited bandwidth, sneak into the caravan park to get a free shower and leave toilet paper and rubbish in all the carparks. But by your logic I can go smash their headlights in cos there piece of crap van is worth SFA But by all means take as much rubbish from bins as you please.
ps there are many traveling around enjoying what Australia has to offer on a tight budget with much higher morals than you but they learn to forgo what they can't afford

deXtrous
NSW, 451 posts
17 Jan 2012 5:57PM
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TurtleHunter said...

we see plenty of leeches coming through our town just like you dextrous. They park on our verge using our limited bandwidth, sneak into the caravan park to get a free shower and leave toilet paper and rubbish in all the carparks. But by your logic I can go smash their headlights in cos there piece of crap van is worth SFA But by all means take as much rubbish from bins as you please.
ps there are many traveling around enjoying what Australia has to offer on a tight budget with much higher morals than you but they learn to forgo what they can't afford


Virtual property and physical property (such as my van) are two completely different things. If you're so quick to say you'd smash in somebodies headlight because they are a backpacker or living in a motorhome, you're the one without morality. If you are one to preach about morality, how about you be humble enough to donate a few megabytes here and there to a freeloading hippie. Wont you be sweet hearted enough to not download another porn flick, to not jerk yourself off for one night, so I can communicate with the online world?

Plese, Stop crying about bandwidth, why do you think places like McDonalds and Starbucks give it out for free? Because it's worthless... Besides, I was only borrowing the bandwidth. They'll get it back next month ;)

rod_bunny
WA, 1089 posts
17 Jan 2012 3:24PM
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deXtrous said...

rod_bunny said...

So... drawing the obvious conclusion from this thinking.... [}:)]


There is no loss in raping a woman? Can't see anything wrong with rape? Buddy you're one f*head that really needs to get sorted out.



Not f*cked in the head... just finding out where along the thieving scale from 'petty theft' to 'gross moral outrage' you're rationalisations would draw the line. It's all theft mate, it just seems to me you're quite happy to f*ck people over, so long as you're not likely to get caught... kind of in that 'sneaky opportunistic weasel' category of bastardry.

I too am a happy kind of guy... until someone starts stealing my **!



Pierre, my 2c (for what its worth)

Rather than supporting the extremes of the 'drop everything and go/stay and be miserable' mindset your mate's in, maybe get out with him for that week you can and get him to hire a camper for the week - let him test the waters of his plan with some support from you/mates. He can blow out the cobwebs, have a cry, get drunk etc without commiting to a full cut and run exercise and has the safety net of some mates to talk stuff out.
It may fuel the fire to drop out or it may just satisfy his urge to escape - either way he'd be doing with his eyes open and at least you'd feel you did something constructive to help him out...

felixdcat
WA, 3519 posts
17 Jan 2012 4:01PM
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deXtrous said...

I used to work at a grocery store and you have no idea how much good food they throw out simply because the "expiration" date (or more like sell by or best use by), or it doesn't "look good". It really pissed me off. They don't even allow you to give away some of the stuff to people willing to take it off your hands and they even put locks on the dumpsters at night for fear of theft...stealing something that is going to be thrown away anyways. total BS

In all honesty, dumpsters are cleaner than half the restaraunts and stores we pay to get food from anyway.

Iworked in a large shopping centre too, I asked the manager of one of the big food retailer why they did not donate the food they were piling in the locked dumpster, the answer was that they had duty of care for the customers who were buying or receiving from the shop, if someone was given any food that could have been damaged or not fresh enough to be consumed and get sick over it the shop would be liable.
The shop baker use to leave all the bred not sold during trade out for the centre workers to take after trade, one of the cleaner (greedy bastard) farked it for all the workers..... he got caught taking a full shopping trolley of bred and giving it to one of his mate to sell in his deli next day (sharing the profit??), the bakery owner got so cheesed up that was the end of it, all the bred went in the rubbish compactor, the cleaner got reported to his boss by the security manager and got the sack!

TurtleHunter
WA, 1675 posts
17 Jan 2012 4:15PM
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felixdcat said...

deXtrous said...

I used to work at a grocery store and you have no idea how much good food they throw out simply because the "expiration" date (or more like sell by or best use by), or it doesn't "look good". It really pissed me off. They don't even allow you to give away some of the stuff to people willing to take it off your hands and they even put locks on the dumpsters at night for fear of theft...stealing something that is going to be thrown away anyways. total BS

In all honesty, dumpsters are cleaner than half the restaraunts and stores we pay to get food from anyway.

Iworked in a large shopping centre too, I asked the manager of one of the big food retailer why they did not donate the food they were piling in the locked dumpster, the answer was that they had duty of care for the customers who were buying or receiving from the shop, if someone was given any food that could have been damaged or not fresh enough to be consumed and get sick over it the shop would be liable.
The shop baker use to leave all the bred not sold during trade out for the centre workers to take after trade, one of the cleaner (greedy bastard) farked it for all the workers..... he got caught taking a full shopping trolley of bred and giving it to one of his mate to sell in his deli next day (sharing the profit??), the bakery owner got so cheesed up that was the end of it, all the bred went in the rubbish compactor, the cleaner got reported to his boss by the security manager and got the sack!



it was probably dextrous
pierrec the way I look at it why not go walkabout when he is ready he can always step back into his life if thats what he wants or he may find something better.

shunter
WA, 441 posts
17 Jan 2012 4:42PM
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pierrec45 said...

What are the annual costs of this lifestyle ? Petrol, insurance, food, repairs, odd Internet? I figure $10-15k? The more the better, I'm trying to talk him out of his initial purchase until he chills..


I did a trip about 5 years ago 2 adults and three kids under 5 in a 6m converted bus ave was $100/day over 5 month trip for food fuel, repairs,caravan parks etc. That was free camping on average 4 nights a week and caravan parks 3 nights to fill up with water, do washing etc.

I think if he allowed $50/day he would be close so about 18,000 a year

Great trip would do it again especially now the kids are older.

upwind
QLD, 166 posts
17 Jan 2012 7:15PM
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wow . a lot of stuff in there.As I said I took off in a Kombi , didn't steal or live out of "dumpsters" sic we call them garbage bins where I come from, ) think dumpster is from Us of A)!!!!!!!!!! No freebies that weren't readily available to everyone else, eg free campsites, no thieving of internet. The deal is if you want to live the free life, go for it, and you don't have to take anything that belongs to someone else. the whole philosophy is to live free and easy, and live longer in a stress free environment !!!!!!!!!!!!!and do what you want to do when you want to do it,

GypsyDrifter
WA, 2371 posts
18 Jan 2012 12:32AM
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pierrec45 said...

An old sailing mate of mine is going through a winner-takes-all split and he's not in a good place right now.

He wants to use what money will be left to him, buy a small used camper, and go walkabout for a few years. Drive around, cook at the back of the car - that sort of stuff.

I think he's crazy. (I can do this for a week max per year)
What are the annual costs of this lifestyle ? Petrol, insurance, food, repairs, odd Internet? I figure $10-15k? The more the better, I'm trying to talk him out of his initial purchase until he chills..


Not to sure on what costs would be today...but have done the camper bit quite awhile ago for about 6 months on the road...and would do it again today and I know this time it would cost me less....(just cos I know more)

My only issue with your mate is his mental state...
To me you seem to be overly worried about his money...at 42 he will get back on his feet if and when he finishes his trip.....

You say you could do it for a week at best...well I could do it for along time...
so you don't really know what your mate is capable off in this respect...

You might want to give him the benefit of the doubt and just be there for him if he does not make the whole trip...what ever he is going through you can't do it for him....and I hate to say it...but I see heaps of guys go through their mid life crises at about 40ish....all in different ways....and there is not much you can do...but be the best friend you can..

pierrec45
NSW, 2005 posts
18 Jan 2012 9:06AM
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Again again again:

if you ask "have you enough money?" - gee I don't know.

"have you thought of getting in touch with rels, etc." - gee didn't think of that.
"what about lawyers and payments?" - they won't find me.
"what if you fall ill or wanna talk to someone" - I don't care.
"are you gonna have internet so we can reach you" - wow, didn't think of that.

Well, that's someone who's not thinking well, and needs to sit still for a while, think things out or talk things through (or is it the other way around?).

He's not as well planned as the dumpster boy, for instance - no offense.
But he was more talkable couple days ago. Gotta keep him busy, but not go fandango yet.

Once someone is clear on those very simple questions above, then sure, go for it. (except for the stealing part).

PS: and the argument "you weren't the first, you won't be the last" don't seem to help somehow...

dirtyharry
WA, 444 posts
18 Jan 2012 7:38AM
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upwind said...

"dumpsters" sic we call them garbage bins where I come from, ) think dumpster is from Us of A)!!!!!!!!!!


So is "garbage bin". Where I'm from we call them rubbish bins.

barn
WA, 2960 posts
18 Jan 2012 9:25AM
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busterwa said...

GreenPat said...

deXtrous said...

I don't see copying a dvd as stealing.



Copying DVDs is stealing, whether or not you see it that way.


Why would you need to copy it when you can just go and download it?


I remember Terminator 2, word for word, frame by frame.. It's been copied to the biological computer that is my brain. Is this stealing?

What's the difference between copying data to your head and copying data to a chip..

And what the fark is a DVD?

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
18 Jan 2012 10:12AM
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barn said...

busterwa said...

GreenPat said...

deXtrous said...

I don't see copying a dvd as stealing.



Copying DVDs is stealing, whether or not you see it that way.


Why would you need to copy it when you can just go and download it?


I remember Terminator 2, word for word, frame by frame.. It's been copied to the biological computer that is my brain. Is this stealing?

What's the difference between copying data to your head and copying data to a chip..

And what the fark is a DVD?


That is a good point, but you cant sell that version of T2 in your head.

dinsdale
WA, 1227 posts
18 Jan 2012 5:36PM
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GypsyDrifter said...
...at 42 he will get back on his feet ...

He still has his whole life, the universe, everything ahead of him .

FormulaNova
WA, 14439 posts
18 Jan 2012 7:05PM
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barn said...


I remember Terminator 2, word for word, frame by frame.. It's been copied to the biological computer that is my brain. Is this stealing?

What's the difference between copying data to your head and copying data to a chip..

And what the fark is a DVD?


Really? You could reproduce Terminator 2, frame by frame from memory? Maybe its time to get a new movie?

If you can't, and just enjoy remembering it, then I guess you aren't copying it are you? If you still argue that you are copying it, how would you prove it?


Oh, and back onto the original topic, am I the only one that feels a huge sense of relief when driving somewhere/nowhere while on holiday? Sometimes it is just great not having anywhere you need to go, and no schedule that you have to stick to.

I had a great time a few years back driving up to Cairns, with no fixed schedule, plenty of money, and only the cold winter weather in Sydney to leave behind.

I agree with what others have said.. why not join your mate for a week or so, and fly back from Perth, Adelaide.... anywhere.

If your friend windsurfs or kitesurfs, get them to WA and make them stay for a few months...



barn
WA, 2960 posts
18 Jan 2012 9:03PM
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FormulaNova said...


Really? You could reproduce Terminator 2, frame by frame from memory? Maybe its time to get a new movie?

If you can't, and just enjoy remembering it, then I guess you aren't copying it are you? If you still argue that you are copying it, how would you prove it?



Remember the face on the guy when the The Termintor asks him for his cloths, boots, and motorcycle?

If you can remember that, then you have a copy of that scene in your head..

Another example would be a song..

I've copied Bohemian Rhapsody, and I can prove it 'cause I can reproduce it whenever I want. Anybody else got a copy?

MAMMA-JUSTKILLEDAMAAAANN!!!

GypsyDrifter
WA, 2371 posts
18 Jan 2012 9:28PM
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FormulaNova said...

am I the only one that feels a huge sense of relief when driving somewhere/nowhere while on holiday?


No, your not alone there FN.....

Driving somewhere / nowhere and making do with what you have...

tightlines
WA, 3472 posts
19 Jan 2012 1:37AM
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pierrec45 said...

An old sailing mate of mine is going through a winner-takes-all split and he's not in a good place right now.


Been there done that, (she got the house), I wasn't in a good place then but a few years down the track I couldn't be happier.

I didn't exactly pull up stumps and hit the road, but I certainly changed the way I think about work/lifestyle balance.

The way I see it old mate could retreat into his cave and sulk or head off into the great unknown, I'm damn sure I know what I would encourage him to do.

I was able to rearrange my work/life etc to give me enough freedom to clear my head and re focus but if he feels he needs to get out of town then I can't see a problem with that.

In the words of Mark Twain
“Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.”

Hope this thread slides off down the page soon or I am going to resign and drive off into the sunset.

I am actually planning to have at least 6 months off soon and hit the road to nowhere and end up somewhere for a while.

FormulaNova
WA, 14439 posts
19 Jan 2012 7:47AM
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barn said...

FormulaNova said...


Really? You could reproduce Terminator 2, frame by frame from memory? Maybe its time to get a new movie?

If you can't, and just enjoy remembering it, then I guess you aren't copying it are you? If you still argue that you are copying it, how would you prove it?



Remember the face on the guy when the The Termintor asks him for his cloths, boots, and motorcycle?

If you can remember that, then you have a copy of that scene in your head..

Another example would be a song..

I've copied Bohemian Rhapsody, and I can prove it 'cause I can reproduce it whenever I want. Anybody else got a copy?

MAMMA-JUSTKILLEDAMAAAANN!!!



Ahh, that's the difference then! I am flat out remembering what I had for dinner last night, and can sing along with Bohemian Rhapsody, but would struggle to put one line together.

It would take me 20 minutes into a movie to realise that I have actually seen it before

AlexBerry
NSW, 7 posts
20 Jan 2012 7:17AM
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