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Craig Thomson

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Created by log man > 9 months ago, 21 May 2012
evlPanda
NSW, 9202 posts
25 May 2012 3:38PM
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log man said...

Mobydisc said...

Ted the Kiwi said...

Given how he took to the media in his display yesterday I would not be surprised if one of those media firms finally fronts up with one of the escourts in the next few days. I reckon the media are going to go after him big time now and money does talk - even if those girls have not wanted to say anything as of yet as their lives have moved on from 7 yrs ago - at a certain point / amount of money they will be persuaded and now the media will meet that price. Just saying.

Dis: He is my local member sadly!!



It would be priceless if one of the ladies of the night appeared on Today Tonight. The ratings would be huge. Of course he would deny it. Even if she produced a dress with semen stains that were DNA match to him he would give an explanation how he'd be set up, possibly going to an IVF clinic and then finding out a nasty HSU union official stole the sample and used it to frame him.




Your point is a good one. Today tonight or ACA would be willing to put up huge cash for one of the Hookers to go on telly. The whole "scandal" has been going for how many years? and no hooker!........ How's that possible?


They don't remember everyone they slept with over the last six years, perhaps?

Which raises the question: How on earth does this anonymous prostitute remember him? Seriously. He must have made some impression.

It's all so weird. Thomson thinks brothels tape everyone that enters, then keep the tapes for six years. Prostitutes can collect $60K for making up anything, and remain anonymous.

****, I'd go on TV for $60K, remain anonymous, and say I slept with Thomson.

bjw
QLD, 3623 posts
25 May 2012 4:06PM
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But why doesn't he step down, guilty or not guilty his Union and Political Career is screwed. So why doesn't he step out of the light?

sausage
QLD, 4873 posts
25 May 2012 4:21PM
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The whole sordid mess

Saffer
VIC, 4501 posts
25 May 2012 6:19PM
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i think the part I find hard to believe in the whole government sector is how little accountability there is. If anyone in the private sector so much as misused their credit card on a minor level, there is a disciplinary hearing. They don't get forced to pay it back, they get their asses fired. The whole idea that there is little understanding on what they can't use it for is bull. People know that they can't use a credit card for personal things. It isn't your own private stash of money. Any idiot would know that (apparently being in government qualifies you to be dumber than an idiot) and yet, there is a simple "pay it back when you get caught and nothing happens" out.

I'd like to see a government where people are accountable for their promises and they are measured based on them. Its all fine and well for someone to make promises and then get voted in and do nothing for 4 years (or wait until the final year before they make it look like they are doing something). Why shouldn't they have a job contract like any CEO would have, and get fired when they don't meet their deliverables within a reason timeframe, not 4 years.

The other issue I have is how people with no experience in a particular industry get put in positions where they have no qualifications or skills. Mr X gets pushed into the minister of transport position. What experience does he have with transport? Absolutely zero other than having caught public transport. Is he qualified to make decisions on the inner runnings of public transport? Nope, but apparently he has advisors who tell him what to do. WTF? Just put the advisors in the position and make sure the person doing the job actually understands what they are doing. No corporate would ever put some random in charge of their company who has no industry experience.

Rant over

pweedas
WA, 4642 posts
25 May 2012 4:41PM
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It's even worse than that.
If for instance, a business proprietor who has run his own business for donkeys years and has done a really good job of it, is made a minister for small business say, he is then thrown out of the job because of a perceived 'conflict of interest'.
That pretty much guarantees that the person awarded that job has never had any experience in the job he is given and is therefore probably going to be hopeless at it.
No wonder the government stuffs up nearly everything it does.

And to keep it relevant to the topic, I think it would be a good idea for Craig to be given the job of looking after the sex industry but he's now never likely to be given that job because of a conflict of interest.

kiteboy dave
QLD, 6525 posts
25 May 2012 7:09PM
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tmurray said...

- he is almost definitely guilty
- in almost any other parliament he would have 'resigned' long ago, but it may just mean loss of power for labor, so he won't be forced
- the liberals would do exactly the same thing in the same position - only difference is that any liberal spending previous employers money would have been using a private companies funds rather than those of a union representing many of Australias lowest paid workers, hence a little less political mileage
- the libs will not let this go as they think they're getting political points, whilst really the whole affair just lowers even more the public perception of all sides of politics
- the media will not let this go, because they're the media
- the public is sick of the whole thing

- parliament is being bogged down by this - too much discussion on POLITICS and none on POLICY



All your points above are correct and fair... except the last which isn't really accurate.

Question Time is getting definitely bogged down by Libs thowing crap at the government, from Krudd/carbon tax/etc/through to Thompson/Slipper these days. Their main way of doing that is to raise a censure motion. So far they have tried it 57 times. (I think,IIRC). And failed 57 times. So it's obviously an empty threat, it's just a way of hassling the gov, and getting an extra bit of soapbox.

Parliament has actually passed record amounts of legislation and is incredibly effective. Big Issue items that have been dogging successive governments for 10+ years have been resolved. No-one is particularly happy with the deals hammered out, but that's politics - the art of making all sides of the deal equally unhappy.

Parliament is far more than question time, but unfortunately just the juiciest 1 min of QT ends up on TV. Making actual law is dead boring, but someone has to do it.

Also the media chooses to ignore a lot of the real law and policy.

Disabled people finally getting support? Did you hear about that?

How about the budget then? Any other year and it's a huge thing, talked about for weeks. This year it was gone in a day.

A cynic might think that because the budget is Labor's saving grace (It's good, it totally offsets the big scary carbon tax, it's a surplus as promised, and it contains actual detailed fiscal policy which is something Abbott & Hockey have no clue on), didn't the Libs do well to turn on the burners with their stage-managed twin attack just in time to bury the budget so well.

Almost lets the public forget that the world was supposed to end with the introduction of the big scary carbon tax, but hey the average joe's got more money in his pocket so he's actually not that upset, and Abbott's blood oath to repeal it look pretty silly, especially considering he'd be taking back all those budget goodies to do it.

kiteboy dave
QLD, 6525 posts
25 May 2012 7:46PM
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The Plot, my friends, continues to thicken nicely...

Someone else has come forward from the HSU alleging false allegations by VP of Fair Work Australia:
www.theaustralian.com.au/nocookies?a=A.flavipes

And here is a very interesting read about the other side of the story:
www.independentaustralia.net/2012/politics/craig-thomson-under-the-rain/

tmurray
WA, 485 posts
25 May 2012 6:48PM
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kiteboy dave said...

tmurray said...

- he is almost definitely guilty
- in almost any other parliament he would have 'resigned' long ago, but it may just mean loss of power for labor, so he won't be forced
- the liberals would do exactly the same thing in the same position - only difference is that any liberal spending previous employers money would have been using a private companies funds rather than those of a union representing many of Australias lowest paid workers, hence a little less political mileage
- the libs will not let this go as they think they're getting political points, whilst really the whole affair just lowers even more the public perception of all sides of politics
- the media will not let this go, because they're the media
- the public is sick of the whole thing

- parliament is being bogged down by this - too much discussion on POLITICS and none on POLICY



All your points above are correct and fair... except the last which isn't really accurate.

Question Time is getting definitely bogged down by Libs thowing crap at the government, from Krudd/carbon tax/etc/through to Thompson/Slipper these days. Their main way of doing that is to raise a censure motion. So far they have tried it 57 times. (I think,IIRC). And failed 57 times. So it's obviously an empty threat, it's just a way of hassling the gov, and getting an extra bit of soapbox.

Parliament has actually passed record amounts of legislation and is incredibly effective. Big Issue items that have been dogging successive governments for 10+ years have been resolved. No-one is particularly happy with the deals hammered out, but that's politics - the art of making all sides of the deal equally unhappy.

Parliament is far more than question time, but unfortunately just the juiciest 1 min of QT ends up on TV. Making actual law is dead boring, but someone has to do it.

Also the media chooses to ignore a lot of the real law and policy.

Disabled people finally getting support? Did you hear about that?

How about the budget then? Any other year and it's a huge thing, talked about for weeks. This year it was gone in a day.

A cynic might think that because the budget is Labor's saving grace (It's good, it totally offsets the big scary carbon tax, it's a surplus as promised, and it contains actual detailed fiscal policy which is something Abbott & Hockey have no clue on), didn't the Libs do well to turn on the burners with their stage-managed twin attack just in time to bury the budget so well.

Almost lets the public forget that the world was supposed to end with the introduction of the big scary carbon tax, but hey the average joe's got more money in his pocket so he's actually not that upset, and Abbott's blood oath to repeal it look pretty silly, especially considering he'd be taking back all those budget goodies to do it.




My bad - the LNP is getting bogged down with all this politics and ignoring any actual debate on policy.

boofta
NSW, 179 posts
25 May 2012 10:25PM
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Kiteboy Dave
Your labour hereos have extended the possible deficit spending to
300 billion in another brilliant piece of legislation.
So next year they will fudge a 1 billion surplus, morons like you
will then re-elect them. it will take 300 years to
pay off the countries debt.
Have you got great grandchildren?
Quick, whats in it for me!
Nothing they have done secures australia's future.

kiteboy dave
QLD, 6525 posts
25 May 2012 11:01PM
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You're calling me a moron? You can't spell H-E-R-O, your name's "Boofta", and you think you're better at economics than actual economists.

Now how about you try to play the ball not the man, if you've got something to add about Craig Thompson or Parliament come out with it, otherwise back in your hole mate.


mineral1
WA, 4564 posts
25 May 2012 9:48PM
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kiteboy dave said...

The Plot, my friends, continues to thicken nicely...

And here is a very interesting read about the other side of the story:
independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/craig-thomson-under-the-rain,4145




Hmmm interesting. I suspected there was a little more in it when media noted tonight that the Mad Monk and Pyne had changed tack in a blink. Me thinks the whole Mad Monks efforts are unraveling at a great rate if this report has any credibility.
Another Godwin Gretch unraveling at light speed, in the wings ....waiting to happen.
Be a shame if this is the case. All that hard work by the honest group amoung, and the conservative side will be forever painted in an ugly light

supa
NSW, 249 posts
26 May 2012 11:43AM
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Spot on Safer, the whole system is a joke, and will always be a joke on all sides of politics until Running a country is treated and run like any other business.

The amount of money wasted with retards running the show makes me

jbshack
WA, 6913 posts
26 May 2012 11:23AM
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supa said...

Spot on Safer, the whole system is a joke, and will always be a joke on all sides of politics until Running a country is treated and run like any other business.

The amount of money wasted with retards running the show makes me


Agree totally.

I cant for the life of me understand though how people can support politicians that are obviously on the nose. Sorry Craig Thompson stinks to high heaven

But yet Labor party lovers support him by saying the others are no better. Well back to the real world again. You employ someone and they stink do you A keep them saying there all the same? Or B do you sack them and start again only settling once your happy with what you've got working for you

This government sticks so much and yes I'm not 100% convinced with the Libs ATM either but i do want a change to try something better.

log man
VIC, 8289 posts
7 Jun 2012 12:18AM
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Interesting developments on Today Tonight......Tonight. The 60 grand hooker now says she didn't shag Thomson......It was a case of mistaken identity. WTF!!

kiteboy dave
QLD, 6525 posts
7 Jun 2012 7:41AM
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A clear case of thinking "I can make 60k instantly, all i have to do is prostitute myself to the australian media, which can't be much worse that what I already do."

Then she found out it's much, much worse.

Sailhack
VIC, 5000 posts
7 Jun 2012 9:17AM
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Maybe Craig Thomson's alter-ego (Craig Thompson) got these guys to knock up his cred card?

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/General-Discussion/Chat/PASSPORT-DRIVING-LICENSE/

Diver
WA, 554 posts
7 Jun 2012 12:45PM
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log man said...

Interesting developments on Today Tonight......Tonight. The 60 grand hooker now says she didn't shag Thomson......It was a case of mistaken identity. WTF!!


The longer this goes on the more the story will unravel.

The Opposition's impatience will be their undoing. Once the saga reaches the courts the real facts will emerge and either Thomson will be convicted or the Opposition will be so discredited that it will be a long time before they are ever elected to office again.

The current $4.50 being offered for the next government to be Labor is looking pretty good. Logman, I'll fly to Melbourne to share a drink with you from my winnings

log man
VIC, 8289 posts
7 Jun 2012 3:45PM
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Sounds good!! Check out this series of articles. The Author has posted 8 updates on the whole sordid mess....fascinating. independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/thomson-8-the-hsu-family,4170

lightwood
VIC, 392 posts
7 Jun 2012 4:21PM
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So Jacksons a crook too, are you really surprised? There will be alot of unions craping their daks right now.

whippingboy
WA, 1104 posts
7 Jun 2012 2:44PM
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Er, in case you didn't realise the whole of the NSW ALP is rotten to the core.

Bob Carr ensured that any dissenting voices were removed in 1996, what we are seeing now is a crack of light into the heart of darkness.

Google a few of these Aussie champs

Obeid
Abib
Tripodi

and sitting nicely in government are Carr and Albanese.

It's a bit embarassing as I have Indian friends and they reckon Oz is just as corrupt as Indian, and they're not wrong.

log man
VIC, 8289 posts
7 Jun 2012 4:45PM
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I think there's more to it than that

log man
VIC, 8289 posts
7 Jun 2012 4:53PM
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whippingboy said...

Er, in case you didn't realise the whole of the NSW ALP is rotten to the core.

Bob Carr ensured that any dissenting voices were removed in 1996, what we are seeing now is a crack of light into the heart of darkness.

Google a few of these Aussie champs

Obeid
Abib
Tripodi

and sitting nicely in government are Carr and Albanese.

It's a bit embarassing as I have Indian friends and they reckon Oz is just as corrupt as Indian, and they're not wrong.

A bit harsh on Arbib? I only know him as a federal member and he seemed legit to me. And Albanese? And CARR!! or is it that he's Labour and therefore corrupt?

tmurray
WA, 485 posts
7 Jun 2012 3:53PM
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whippingboy said...

Er, in case you didn't realise the whole of the NSW ALP is rotten to the core.

Bob Carr ensured that any dissenting voices were removed in 1996, what we are seeing now is a crack of light into the heart of darkness.

Google a few of these Aussie champs

Obeid
Abib
Tripodi

and sitting nicely in government are Carr and Albanese

It's a bit embarassing as I have Indian friends and they reckon Oz is just as corrupt as Indian, and they're not wrong.


You seriously need to see a bit more of the world if you think Australia is corrupt. Be glad for what you've got.

mineral1
WA, 4564 posts
7 Jun 2012 4:53PM
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whippingboy said...

Er, in case you didn't realise the whole of the NSW ALP is rotten to the core.

Bob Carr ensured that any dissenting voices were removed in 1996, what we are seeing now is a crack of light into the heart of darkness.

Google a few of these Aussie champs

Obeid
Abib
Tripodi

and sitting nicely in government are Carr and Albanese.

It's a bit embarassing as I have Indian friends and they reckon Oz is just as corrupt as Indian, and they're not wrong.


Wippen, its not just related to left or right side, both sides have a checkered history in that state. Bob Askins mob being the most blatent at it

WA waverider
WA, 79 posts
8 Jun 2012 11:31AM
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Diver
WA, 554 posts
8 Jun 2012 2:43PM
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log man said...

Sounds good!! Check out this series of articles. The Author has posted 8 updates on the whole sordid mess....fascinating. independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/thomson-8-the-hsu-family,4170


Updates 9 and 10 are on the website.

And Kathy Jackson has sacked her lawyer...
www.abc.net.au/news/2012-06-08/jackson-sacks-lawyers-in-hsu-court-case/4060984

Busy woman.

kiteboy dave
QLD, 6525 posts
8 Jun 2012 8:27PM
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whippingboy said...
It's a bit embarassing as I have Indian friends and they reckon Oz is just as corrupt as Indian, and they're not wrong.


That is dead wrong. I spent 4 months in India. By comparison we have ZERO corruption. Nothing is done at any level without bribes over there. Register a car, traffic stop, buy property, get married, get a licence, whatever.

Their pollies are corrupt in ways we would just consider insane (like spending $100 million US on statues of.. themselves) Your mates are projecting that background onto the drivel the media is feeding them here.


tmurray
WA, 485 posts
8 Jun 2012 7:01PM
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Back to the original topic - I'm curious now - the guy's supposed to have spent thousands of dollars on brothel services and not a single witness has come forward to the media. From an industry not exactly known for taking the high moral ground??? I think most people would have some memory of someone throwing cash around like this.

evlPanda
NSW, 9202 posts
8 Jun 2012 10:11PM
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tmurray said...

Back to the original topic - I'm curious now - the guy's supposed to have spent thousands of dollars on brothel services and not a single witness has come forward to the media. From an industry not exactly known for taking the high moral ground??? I think most people would have some memory of someone throwing cash around like this.


I think the opposite. Who would remember a customer from six years ago?
You might remember some hooker you shagged six years ago, but I doubt they remember anyone from a month ago. Would a masseuse remember someone from six years ago?

Besides, the credit card wasn't in his name. Who has their name spelled wrong on a credit card?



Now I look at it Surry Hills is spelled incorrectly too. Is that Suray or Surry Hills? Very weird.

kiteboy dave
QLD, 6525 posts
8 Jun 2012 10:35PM
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^^^ also according to the 8 part story linked above, I haven't been thru it all but one thing I saw was that apparently that's the bank copy of the slip.
Meaning if it was real he would have never actually been charged that money.
(A bank will never process any other copy. And they won't keep/hand out processed copies either.)

[edit - look really close at the right hand side]



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