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Crop circles ARE man made..!!

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Created by theDoctor > 9 months ago, 18 Jun 2010
petermac33
WA, 6415 posts
22 Jun 2010 3:43PM
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there are so many obvious cons out there 911 being the obvious.

this crop-circle being a con done by life from another planet i can't get believe that.[at least not yet]

in a earlier post you posted a photo of a crop-circle of a pyramid with the all seeing eye at the top.

why would this ''intelligent life'' do a symbol of the N.W.O's. very own symbol?


are you saying this ''intelligent life'' have infiltrated the N.WO?

or are you saying this ''intelligent life'' are the N.W.O!

or are not a part of the N.W.O. at all?

and are working separate?

are you sure it's not 'them' [the N.W.O]telling us yeah we run the world.

symbolism is everywhere in our food to corporate logo's.

'they' like to tell the folks what is going on [Alan Watt has mentioned this a few times in his interviews].

if we then disregard what 'they' are telling us[and the evidence] then 'they' believe we deserve what is coming.

sounds fair to me!




poor relative
WA, 9089 posts
22 Jun 2010 3:43PM
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theDoctor said...


not regardless, i think there are more examples of others breezers not wanting to believe regardless, e.g, 9-11, flouride, chemtrails etc...



Why do you think that is doc?
Is Seabreeze in on it or do the majority call it BS in the absence of irrefutable evidence?

theDoctor said...

e.g 'there is no conspiracy, people are too disorganised in simple matters...' then, 'crop circles are a conspiracy, its twenty guys from down the pub with a gps at night, easy to organise...'


To say that its impossible for humans to create a complex geometrically correct crop circle is naive at best probably insulting to some.




theDoctor said...
how are/can they be explained as a hoax (in an official standard)...?
how come the hoaxers never come forward and divulge their methods...?




Check this website
www.circlemakers.org/

I worked on a farm in the Uk during the 80's when crop circles were starting. Our farmer patrolled his corn fields armed with a gun at night. Needless to say he never encountered crop circles in his area.

FlySurfer
NSW, 4453 posts
22 Jun 2010 5:54PM
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I believe crop circles are the most compelling phenomena in our day.

What causes them? From the scientific evidence the crops seem to be acted on via a RF/EM + gravity... like a microwave heating the water molecules at certain points causing the bending. People have reported EM disturbances...

I have considered a lot of possibilities, including scientists fooling around with satellites... but nothing I can come up with explains it all.

Some designs do look quite human.

I guess the easiest way to explain it is by attributing it to the infinite beyond, or at least one of the billions of other stars in our own galaxy.

It's also about the ONLY reason I'd want to visit the UK again.

theDoctor
NSW, 5780 posts
22 Jun 2010 5:55PM
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poor relative said...

Man made








prove they were man made

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
22 Jun 2010 4:03PM
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It was obvious that this Compact Disc contained a message. I planned to try and decode it myself, but even before I started, an email from David Kingston notified me that the translation could already be found on the Internet:

"Beware the bearers of FALSE gifts & their BROKEN PROMISES.
Much PAIN but still time.
EELRIJUE.
There is GOOD out there.
We OPpose DECEPTION.
Conduit CLOSING [bell sound]"
(Check out Linda Moulton Howe's website to read all about the analysis.) The dots inside the circular imprint can be read along a spiral that runs from the inside towards the outer edge of the disc (exactly the way a compact disc works), and is deciphered in a straightforward manner by simply applying the 8 bit binary codes that describe the international ASCII character set as used in computers. This may seem like abracadabra to some of you, but representing characters from a computer keyboard by zeroes and ones (or standing and flattened crop) is less than Kindergarten stuff for any computer analyst (or almost any 13-year old kid with a PC).

It may be clear to you: I have a few serious concerns about this formation, and I am convinced it's a man-made hoax. The reasons are multifold:

1. Clearly, this formation is a continuation of last year's Chilbolton events. We actually expected this one. However, one thing is curious. The Chilbolton "Face" was composed of dots of varying sizes, made in a similar way as black and white news paper photographs are printed. The dots were arranged on a regular, rectangular grid (oriented at 45 degrees), and apparent gray scales were created by varying the sizes of the dots. The Crabwood formation is different. It is made out of horizontal lines, the width of which is modulated in order to create apparent gray scales. The image is similar to what you see on a TV screen, rather than on a black and white photograph in a news paper. The fundamental principle of photographic encoding is completely different! And that is very strange. Why didn't the alleged 'aliens' employ this more sophisticated method last year? Has their technology improved so much in such a short time?

2. Secondly, there is something very peculiar about the binary message. I have no problems with the fact that the aliens can speak and write English. Why not? They may have been the ones who actually taught us to speak their language (a long time ago). But why on earth (or better: why off earth) would they employ a binary encoding to spell out a message? If they can produce such high-quality graphical images in the fields, why didn't they simple write the message in the field? If they know the ASCII character set, they also know the characters! So why do they have to stylize the shape of a CD to give us a (most obvious) clue that the dots inside the circle are actually a binary code? It simply does not make sense at all.

3. I am very much aware of the fact that any speculation about alien life forms and their possible interactions with humans cannot be judged by human logic. Whatever is obvious or logical to us, humans, may be anything but logical or even completely incomprehensible to an intelligence that developed a million light years from here. For that reason, a plea such as "why don't the aliens create a crop circle in front of the White House" is not valid. Have you ever tried to explain to a mosquito that he should not sting you? There may be an extremely obvious thing to do (i.e., obvious for a mosquito) to explain such a thing to the little insect, but despite our much higher intelligence, mosquito logic cannot be understood by humans. However, this argument cannot be applied to my statements written above. The problem is exactly the opposite: the Crabwood formation is full of human logic! And that is exactly the reason why I believe it's an elaborate hoax. The classical 'Gray', straight out of Star Trek, the silly way of creating a 152 byte CD (containing about 0,2 millionth of the data on a real CD), an anonymous decoding engineer who comes up with the translation shortly afterwards... The formation says it all: We OPpose DECEPTION.

The most fascinating things about this crop formation, I think, are 1. the curious message, which is completely empty (of course you should beware of false gifts, deception etc., nothing new here) and 2. the strange way of combining capital and lowercase characters, particularly in the word "OPpose". And what does "EELRIJUE" mean? It may all be just a smart trick to deviate our attention from the obvious clues that someone is trying to pull our legs. The question remains: Why? Would anyone create such a time-consuming an elaborate hoax just to fool others? Was this formation made by Mel Gibson and friends, afraid that Signs will flop? There must be a reason, and probably a pretty good one too. I wonder if time will tell.

However, whoever made this formation, they did a great job, and that is another fact. My compliments!

Eltjo H. Haselhoff

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
22 Jun 2010 4:15PM
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I worked on a farm in the Uk during the 80's when crop circles were starting. Our farmer patrolled his corn fields armed with a gun at night. Needless to say he never encountered crop circles in his area.




Funny that

poor relative
WA, 9089 posts
22 Jun 2010 4:16PM
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theDoctor said...



prove they were man made


prove they were not

elmo
WA, 8732 posts
22 Jun 2010 4:22PM
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Bloody hell the aliens have their own web page

www.circlemakers.org/

poor relative
WA, 9089 posts
22 Jun 2010 4:34PM
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theDoctor
NSW, 5780 posts
22 Jun 2010 6:40PM
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poor relative said...

theDoctor said...



prove they were man made


prove they were not



prove they were

pweedas
WA, 4642 posts
22 Jun 2010 5:00PM
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doggie said... as well as stuffing up his quote marks,...




I worked on a farm in the Uk during the 80's when crop circles were starting. Our farmer patrolled his corn fields armed with a gun at night. Needless to say he never encountered crop circles in his area.




Funny that


I lie in bed and snore all through the night.
No crop circles in my paddocks either.
I guess the noise must scare them away.

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
22 Jun 2010 5:21PM
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pweedas said...

doggie said... as well as stuffing up his quote marks,...




I worked on a farm in the Uk during the 80's when crop circles were starting. Our farmer patrolled his corn fields armed with a gun at night. Needless to say he never encountered crop circles in his area.




Funny that


I lie in bed and snore all through the night.
No crop circles in my paddocks either.
I guess the noise must scare them away.


Oops, Poor relative said that

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
22 Jun 2010 5:22PM
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theDoctor said...

poor relative said...

theDoctor said...



prove they were man made


prove they were not



prove they were


Hey Doc you started the thread, YOU PROVE IT!!

theDoctor
NSW, 5780 posts
22 Jun 2010 7:30PM
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and just how many times were you dropped on your head as a baby doggie...?

elmo
WA, 8732 posts
22 Jun 2010 8:31PM
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theDoctor said...


yeah you got me doggie, it really is just twenty of your mates with a gps and couple of fence pailings tied to some rope, out in the fields at night after a couple of six packs.
here are some more examples of your mates work... boy are they ever so clever..













Suggest you have a squizz at the website of the guys who's handy work from 2004 is above check the weblink, the read about what they do

www.circlemakers.org/totc2004.html

Crop circle manufacture is a business in the UK, Farmers looking for tourists as well as companies getting some creative advertising which you can see it from all those planes leaving chemtrails

AUS02
TAS, 1992 posts
22 Jun 2010 10:33PM
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Taken from: www.2think.org/occams_razor.shtml

A real life example of Occam's Razor in practice goes as follows:
Crop circles began to be reported in the 1970s. Two interpretations were made of the circles of matted grass. One was that flying saucers made the imprints. The other was that someone (human) had used some sort of instruments to push down the grass. Occam's Razor would say that given the lack of evidence for flying saucers and the complexity involved in getting UFOs from distant galaxies to arrive on earth (unseen and traveling faster than the speed of light I suppose) the second interpretation is simplest. The second explanation could be wrong, but until further facts present themself it remains the preferable theory. As it turns out, Occam's Razor was right as two people admitted to making the original crop figures in the 1990s (and the rest have apparently been created by copy-cats). Despite this fact, some people still ignore Occam's Razor and instead continue to believe that crop circles are being created by flying saucers.

The simplest model is more likely to be correct--especially when we are working with unusual phenomenon

longwinded
WA, 344 posts
23 Jun 2010 4:33AM
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Please GOD some wind...

colinwill78
VIC, 1395 posts
23 Jun 2010 8:39AM
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Find me some genuine pictures of such intricate work from the time before accessable, portable GPS eg pre 1970's. These circles have been appearing for 1000's of years after all. Have they just suddenly got more intricate at the same rate as our technology?
I'm still undecided.

colinwill78
VIC, 1395 posts
23 Jun 2010 8:40AM
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longwinded said...

Please GOD some wind...


please ALIENS some wind... (And stop playing with our food)

Sailhack
VIC, 5000 posts
23 Jun 2010 9:25AM
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So aliens are artists?

...and they must also have a fascination with symmetry going by the designs?

Don't know the answer, but I'd put my money on humans. If we are a species that are clever enough to create all these conspiracies that are the seabreeze 'flavour of the month/year', then we obviously are clever enough to produce a few pretty patterns in a paddock.

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
23 Jun 2010 8:38AM
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theDoctor said...

and just how many times were you dropped on your head as a baby doggie...?


Not as many as you doc

FlySurfer
NSW, 4453 posts
23 Jun 2010 11:55AM
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There we go again... assuming; aliens, speed of light, doggie has a head, blah blah... What makes you think aliens need to travel in spaceships?

Why are you discarding a metaphysical element?
Ontology has a very LONG history that tries to explain a lot?

Who was it that said Assumptions were the mother of all f**kups?... I know u know!

thommo 000
1670 posts
23 Jun 2010 10:48AM
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theDoctor said...


yeah you got me doggie, it really is just twenty of your mates with a gps and couple of fence pailings tied to some rope, out in the fields at night after a couple of six packs.
here are some more examples of your mates work... boy are they ever so clever..



and some more

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
23 Jun 2010 10:57AM
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^^ GOLD thommo

Now they are by bogans

Trant
NSW, 601 posts
23 Jun 2010 1:33PM
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colinwill78 said...

Find me some genuine pictures of such intricate work from the time before accessable, portable GPS eg pre 1970's. These circles have been appearing for 1000's of years after all. Have they just suddenly got more intricate at the same rate as our technology?


Anyone?

maxm
NSW, 864 posts
23 Jun 2010 4:57PM
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Trant said...

colinwill78 said...

Find me some genuine pictures of such intricate work from the time before accessable, portable GPS eg pre 1970's. These circles have been appearing for 1000's of years after all. Have they just suddenly got more intricate at the same rate as our technology?


Anyone?



tsk... trivial...

A complicated nazca line drawing dating from oooohhhh... dunno... say anywhere between 200 BC to 700 AD:



compared with July 2009:



I think anyone would agree the later one is a tad more complicated.

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
23 Jun 2010 3:24PM
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Even in sand!

Sailhack
VIC, 5000 posts
23 Jun 2010 6:15PM
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thommo 000 said...



and some more



now THAT would be fun!...although I reckon the farmer would disagree.

Trant
NSW, 601 posts
23 Jun 2010 7:10PM
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maxm said...
I think anyone would agree the later one is a tad more complicated.


Wouldn't that be Colin's point? i.e. Alien technology seems to be keeping up with ours?

(or crop circles are man made )

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
23 Jun 2010 5:23PM
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I think the doc has given up



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