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Dangerous dogs

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Created by log man > 9 months ago, 18 Nov 2011
japie
NSW, 6926 posts
18 Nov 2011 10:45PM
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lotofwind said...

Staffys are the most human friendly dogs I have seen.
I own one and know many people who do, some of them tend to not get along well with other dogs,if you dont let them mingle with other dogs when they are young, but when it comes to kids, they are so gentle.

I have had kids sit on my dogs back,grabbing her ears nearly pulling them off trying to play horsie. She dosent like it but just puts up with it.

I have never seen a dog breed that just trys soooooo hard to please its owner.
When I got mine, the vet said, "best breed of family friendly dog ever."



My 21st birthday present was a staffie and I have had two since. They are immune to depression. Thumbs up for the breeders, they do not seem to have changed much over the years apart fro the odd really big one and a few with odd heads.

They need excersise like most dogs but will find their own amusement if neglected. Mine ate my Dads Audi steering wheel

barn
WA, 2960 posts
18 Nov 2011 7:50PM
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cantswm4**** said...

Ummm, I think selective breeding, is a mile short of being genetically modified by todays standards.


Selective breeding is modifying the genes, so a dog has beed genetically modified. But I agree they can get a bit more creative now, Glowing Rabbits are kinda hard to make the old fashioned way (genes from glow worms work in a rabbit because they are related)


Ok, statement now goes like this
I think bullies have no more aggressive tendencies than any other dog,
Assuming they all come from wolves and have the same throwbacks,
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I agree with everybody here that Staffies are very friendly dogs, on par with anything else, only when they go Ape Sh!t they become more dangerous than other breeds.

But are Pitbulls in the same league as Staffies? I don't think they have had the same selective breeding for friendliness as Staffies have.

But of course, personal anecdotes about how 'mild my dog was' disprove all the fatalities..



laceys lane
QLD, 19803 posts
18 Nov 2011 10:00PM
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imo a dog tied on a rope all day is plain dumb. an active dog in a small yard all day- what the hell is that- any incident is the owner fault imo

when i had my staffy it went on building sites every working day, ran it's self stupid, went around to every other job site for smoko and lunch. chased flies and dragon flies for the afternoon shift.

some how she knew not to get in the way pretty well straight away

there where times where i had to lift the dog into the passenger foot well because she was that stuffed.

she would get out of the car and could hardy walk. had dinner and off to sleep pretty much

basically did that for eleven years - now thats a dogs life.

point is she was well socialised and vented her energy on chasing flies and find tennis balls in the middle of nowhere. even thou she was a driven dog, there was never anything close to a incident toward any one

eight years on and i still think about her.

i miss my dog

lotofwind
NSW, 6451 posts
18 Nov 2011 11:01PM
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Pitbulls and Staffies,,,totally different mental attitudes in my opinion.

Staffies are a massive ball of muscle on stumpy legs that, if WERE agrresive to kids, could do alot of damage.

Im sure there must be a staffie out there,like all breeds, that has been agrresive to humans, but

I have never seen one.
Every Staffie I have seen looks like its tail is gunna fall off from wagging so hard if you dont give it a rub.

BulldogPup
6657 posts
18 Nov 2011 8:04PM
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laceys lane said...

imo a dog tied on a rope all day is plain dumb. an active dog in a small yard all day- what the hell is that- any incident is the owner fault imo

when i had my staffy it went on building sites every working day, ran it's self stupid, went around to every other job site for smoko and lunch. chased flies and dragon flies for the afternoon shift.

some how she knew not to get in the way pretty well straight away

there where times where i had to lift the dog into the passenger foot well because she was that stuffed.

she would get out of the car and could hardy walk. had dinner and off to sleep pretty much

basically did that for eleven years - now that a dogs life.

point is she was well socialised and vented her energy on chasing flies and find tennis ball in the middle of nowhere. even thou she was a driven dog, there was never anything close to a incident

eight years on and i still think about her.

i miss my dog


great post - cheers lace!

lotofwind
NSW, 6451 posts
18 Nov 2011 11:09PM
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laceys lane said...


point is she was well socialised and vented her energy on chasing flies and find tennis ball in the middle of nowhere.


Bahhh ha,,,,,,mine friggen hates flies with a passion.Spends hours hunting them in the backyard.
And the tennis ball thing,,,,,WTF
I can be taking her for walk on a totally deserted beach that people hardly go to, and she will take off over the dunes out of sight for 5 minutes and return with a friggen tennis ball and drop it a my feet???????

slainte
QLD, 2246 posts
18 Nov 2011 10:11PM
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lotofwind said...

Pitbulls and Staffies,,,totally different mental attitudes in my opinion.

Staffies are a massive ball of muscle on stumpy legs that, if WERE agrresive to kids, could do alot of damage.

Im sure there must be a staffie out there,like all breeds, that has been agrresive to humans, but

I have never seen one.
Every Staffie I have seen looks like its tail is gunna fall off from wagging so hard if you dont give it a rub.



Couldn,t agree more LW, we,ve had heaps of Staffies on job sites over the years and didn,t see one being aggressive towards anything. Raise your voice at them and they no there place.

BulldogPup
6657 posts
18 Nov 2011 8:15PM
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^^^^^ +1

adolf
1862 posts
18 Nov 2011 8:17PM
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log man said...

OK, so how many children being mauled, how many little dogs being eaten, how many more attacks does it take for the total banning of Pit bulls, American bull terriers and all the bull**** crosses that pass for pets. In Vico the new Liberal government has instituted new dangerous dog laws to almost unanimous support. The sooner these things are removed from our society the better.


I guess it's our own fault that Vicco is becoming the model nanny state.

laceys lane
QLD, 19803 posts
18 Nov 2011 10:26PM
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lotofwind said...

laceys lane said...


point is she was well socialised and vented her energy on chasing flies and find tennis ball in the middle of nowhere.


Bahhh ha,,,,,,mine friggen hates flies with a passion.Spends hours hunting them in the backyard.
And the tennis ball thing,,,,,WTF
I can be taking her for walk on a totally deserted beach that people hardly go to, and she will take off over the dunes out of sight for 5 minutes and return with a friggen tennis ball and drop it a my feet???????



the problem is the nylon yellow stuff on the outside of tennis balls cuts their teeth flat like file and they end up with bugger all teeth left

japie
NSW, 6926 posts
18 Nov 2011 11:28PM
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pierrec45 said...

default said...
plenty of attacks by other breeds with same results...just not as news worthy to the hyper sensationalist media machine, after the best headline, first.

Do you have a source on this about other breeds? The damage done by a couple of those breeds is well-documented, but stats for the other breeds please? (not anecdote)

Heard of a few perhaps max, but nearly 100% of them are from the same couple of breeds.

If it takes 5 years for dogs lovers (??) to move onto another species, and if municipal and local laws can save 3-4-5 children lives meanwhile, huh, what is your point again ??


This discussion always ends up in they should do something. Well they do, usuallyonly after many easily avoidable tragedies.

The fact of the matter is that no harsh they make the law you will always get pin heads whose dogs project thier egos UNTIL such time as the population makes it socially unacceptable to have a dog which cannot and is not taken out in public off the leash. Dog attacks should be confined to thieves and agressors.

How many clowns do you see being pulled down he pavement by a mutt that is half choking it's collar?

All it takes is fifteen minutes a day and you can get the average dog to perform wonders. If you excersise it properly and regularly you can leave your doors and gate open. I do. They will not go anywhere without us and no stranger will enter the house. They only ever bark if someone comes to the front door but wil not go past the step.

When I get back from work it is like greeting a long lost friend, every day. I take hime with me wherever I can. If he hears a board being picked up or a wet suit he is immediately alert. Same with a plate being put on the kitchen floor, reckon he could hear that from the end of the garden.

When he is with people he is at his best, loves attention and knows who is fun and who is not. He will retrieve anything as far out into the ocean as you can throw it. It is really cool to chuck sticks after a southerly swell to get him smashed but he never gives up. Hooked on a laser light.

I owned his mother who was raped by my mates shepherd, very weird dog, arsehole ugly that used to watch animal shows on tv, but had to shoot her when whe was on a farm and took a strychnine bait.

He was returned to me at six months old after being confined to a flat in sydney looking like a seal having been loved to death with steak and eggs. I was not going to get another dog so he has been a gift out of the blue and helped me keep my sanity thorugh some bad depression. I love him dearly and am very proud of him

Except when he fights

BulldogPup
6657 posts
18 Nov 2011 8:34PM
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^^^^ why they are tagged as "mans best friend" ... better than any shrink on the planet JMO

slainte
QLD, 2246 posts
18 Nov 2011 11:08PM
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Amen pup..... Amen

byf
WA, 514 posts
18 Nov 2011 9:16PM
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yep

Underoath
QLD, 2433 posts
19 Nov 2011 12:31AM
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Be carefull when purchasing a "Blue" staffie,

Blue is recessive. Blue to Blue mating is just horrific for future generations.

With recessive genes (limited) of particular colour (limited) it gets harder and harder to produce puppies of a heath standard that is acceptable.


There are dozens of examples of breeds that have been ruined this way already.

Funny how Blue pups are considered rare (not) and cost up to $2500 each.
Are you really getting a healthy dog?

barn
WA, 2960 posts
18 Nov 2011 11:06PM
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BulldogPup said...

^^^^ why they are tagged as "mans best friend" ... better than any shrink on the planet JMO


It is strange, many dogs, but especially Staffies are bred for total obsession with their owners..

So first they bred them to kill Bulls in blood sport, so you get a dog thats build like the Hulk, and then you breed it to worship their owner... Why make a killing machine act like a school girl fixated with Justin Bieber.. Do people enjoy being worshiped by a subordinate? Is it us that craves this attention?

I used to be indifferent to cats, but now I've grown to admire how they don't have a ridicules owner complex.

In other words..

Staffy, Staffy
On the Floor,
Who's the most awesome human of them all?
'You Arff, my human, are fairest of all.'
(wags tail like an idiot)

BulldogPup
6657 posts
18 Nov 2011 11:24PM
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^^^^^
Think I see your angle barn , but Dogs are just bloody good fun & a companion to some folks , particularly the elderly where they've lost their partners for one example , blind folks rely on them too as another....more too.
Never been a fan of the macho symbolic thing.... just like the companion aspect mate.

lotofwind
NSW, 6451 posts
19 Nov 2011 2:25AM
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Ahhh,,, barn,,,,,the pieces are all comming together.
You are the crazy cat lady .

barn
WA, 2960 posts
18 Nov 2011 11:51PM
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Haha YeeeARGhwagahhahhaggah



I wonder if we could measure the excitement in a dog when the owner gets home, what we could do is breed the most excited dogs together and after ten generations coming home after work will get your dog so excited it will have a heart attack..

laceys lane
QLD, 19803 posts
19 Nov 2011 7:43AM
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barn said...

BulldogPup said...

^^^^ why they are tagged as "mans best friend" ... better than any shrink on the planet JMO


It is strange, many dogs, but especially Staffies are bred for total obsession with their owners..

So first they bred them to kill Bulls in blood sport, so you get a dog thats build like the Hulk, and then you breed it to worship their owner... Why make a killing machine act like a school girl fixated with Justin Bieber.. Do people enjoy being worshiped by a subordinate? Is it us that craves this attention?

I used to be indifferent to cats, but now I've grown to admire how they don't have a ridicules owner complex.

In other words..

Staffy, Staffy
On the Floor,
Who's the most awesome human of them all?
'You Arff, my human, are fairest of all.'
(wags tail like an idiot)



sure mine liked attention, how ever i use to love watching her chasing flies. she would work over a building rubbish for hours. it was her own obsession which had nothing to do with me.

get a bull terrier , they are indifferent, do their own thing and are pretty harmless to people.

would be the perfect dog for you, a dog that doesn't like you that much

Woodo
WA, 792 posts
19 Nov 2011 7:05AM
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lotofwind said...

Ahhh,,, barn,,,,,the pieces are all comming together.
You are the crazy cat lady .


Hahahaha!!!

barn
WA, 2960 posts
19 Nov 2011 7:44AM
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laceys lane said...


get a bull terrier , they are indifferent, do their own thing and are pretty harmless to people.

would be the perfect dog for you, a dog that doesn't like you that much


haha thanks fo the tip. I have two farm whippetXs they are built for speed and to kill rabbits and catch foxes(couldn't kill one), not for mauling rhinoceroses..

Plus the local dog walking beach is near a council estate, only Feral Bogans and Housos own fighting dogs..

CMC
QLD, 3954 posts
19 Nov 2011 10:05AM
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My family lived on a farm in Nth Queensland.

My old man had one dog called that was a Bull Arab that used to enjoy dragging my two little brothers around the yard by the tail.

They used to punish that dog being toddlers, take food out of its mouth, poke it in the eyes, pull its ears it never even growled, the most beautiful dog with people ever. Never barked

HOWEVER. As a Pup it was flogged into 100 or so stitches and drains by the neighbours 2 dogs. It changed that dog to be a mad killer.

It would come back up to the house covered in blood from knocking over roo's and pigs and getting its own dinner. Remember this was a farm in a rural area.

One day on the building site a chippy had his male Bull Terrier and my old man had his Rat Dog. He said to the guy that it would be a great idea to keep them apart and better they both tied them up for the day. The Chippy looked at the Rat and laughed, my Dad tied up Rat anyway.

Rat Dog walked his lead out to the end of the rope and went back to sleep under the cruiser with one eye open. The Bull Terrier walked around the site until just one time he walked within the rope length. Rat ran out grabbed him and by the time my old man could get off the roof or the chippy to the truck the Bully had no throat left, dead. Such a heavy situation. Totally unprevoked just because it was a male dog.

The old man didn't know what to do and eventually wrote it off as a bad experience. About a month later Rat seen another male dog and ran without warning hit it from behind, no growling or posturing at all flipped it and was trying to kill it as well. This was an Alsation about 3 times the size.

My old man decided enough was enough and Rat Dog unfortunately went to heaven. No room in the world for a crazy dog like that........ 20% Genetics, 80% life experience with dogs.

laceys lane
QLD, 19803 posts
19 Nov 2011 10:40AM
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barn said...

laceys lane said...


get a bull terrier , they are indifferent, do their own thing and are pretty harmless to people.

would be the perfect dog for you, a dog that doesn't like you that much


haha thanks fo the tip. I have two farm whippetXs they are built for speed and to kill rabbits and catch foxes(couldn't kill one), not for mauling rhinoceroses..

Plus the local dog walking beach is near a council estate, only Feral Bogans and Housos own fighting dogs..


i was reading in the local rag the other day where greyhounds make great pets. they only need to be exercised every couple of days, are affection and like to lie around watching you work with a smug look.

but really, dogs are amazing. we have a scavenging predators who hunt and kill and yet they like to be around humans and see us as pack or group they want to be with. they modify their nature to suit. and i don't think its just for food

laceys lane
QLD, 19803 posts
19 Nov 2011 10:45AM
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CMC said...

My family lived on a farm in Nth Queensland.

My old man had one dog called that was a Bull Arab that used to enjoy dragging my two little brothers around the yard by the tail.

They used to punish that dog being toddlers, take food out of its mouth, poke it in the eyes, pull its ears it never even growled, the most beautiful dog with people ever. Never barked

HOWEVER. As a Pup it was flogged into 100 or so stitches and drains by the neighbours 2 dogs. It changed that dog to be a mad killer.

It would come back up to the house covered in blood from knocking over roo's and pigs and getting its own dinner. Remember this was a farm in a rural area.

One day on the building site a chippy had his male Bull Terrier and my old man had his Rat Dog. He said to the guy that it would be a great idea to keep them apart and better they both tied them up for the day. The Chippy looked at the Rat and laughed, my Dad tied up Rat anyway.

Rat Dog walked his lead out to the end of the rope and went back to sleep under the cruiser with one eye open. The Bull Terrier walked around the site until just one time he walked within the rope length. Rat ran out grabbed him and by the time my old man could get off the roof or the chippy to the truck the Bully had no throat left, dead. Such a heavy situation. Totally unprevoked just because it was a male dog.

The old man didn't know what to do and eventually wrote it off as a bad experience. About a month later Rat seen another male dog and ran without warning hit it from behind, no growling or posturing at all flipped it and was trying to kill it as well. This was an Alsation about 3 times the size.

My old man decided enough was enough and Rat Dog unfortunately went to heaven. No room in the world for a crazy dog like that........ 20% Genetics, 80% life experience with dogs.


unfortunate, but the right thing to do. any dog that i had that was aggressive to people for no reason i would have put down. there is no room for it imo

busterwa
3777 posts
19 Nov 2011 9:05AM
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I used to own Rottweilers but they were much to unpredictable. As a family and a public dog

i must say that you cant go passed a golden retriever or a Labrador. I have seen staffies kill livestock etc. there not so innocent.



There is a difference between a family dog and a family security dog.

CMC
QLD, 3954 posts
19 Nov 2011 11:48AM
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Here's my cute Labby pup shot. Chewing on my arm with her hypodermic needle teeth at 12 weeks old.

She is asleep on my feet right now like usual.




And waggy tail that never stops.....



Underoath
QLD, 2433 posts
19 Nov 2011 11:52AM
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Great dog mate.

laceys lane
QLD, 19803 posts
19 Nov 2011 12:00PM
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busterwa said...

I used to own Rottweilers but they were much to unpredictable. As a family and a public dog

i must say that you cant go passed a golden retriever or a Labrador. I have seen staffies kill livestock etc. there not so innocent.



There is a difference between a family dog and a family security dog.


yes, you can't leave staffys unattended and roaming around the street. they do have a pack mentality.

but any pack of pet dogs running around can turn into something ugly. it's YOUR JOB as an owner to lead your dogs and show them what to do, that why they hang around humans and what they are looking for- leadership, if not they will take matters into their own hands or paws

cheers

BulldogPup
6657 posts
19 Nov 2011 10:11AM
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busterwa said...

I used to own Rottweilers but they were much to unpredictable. As a family and a public dog

i must say that you cant go passed a golden retriever or a Labrador. I have seen staffies kill livestock etc. there not so innocent.



There is a difference between a family dog and a family security dog.


jeez - and don't those eyes tell you how good mutts are eh,great family value & great mugshot buster, do you have much trouble with the moulting? , cheers mate!



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