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Forums > General Discussion   Shooting the breeze...

For your own safety

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Created by Gwendy > 9 months ago, 1 May 2012
Gwendy
SA, 472 posts
1 May 2012 8:44PM
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Sailhack
VIC, 5000 posts
2 May 2012 9:31AM
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I prefer my kids to wear helmets when riding on the road...but...ummm, yeah.

jamdfingr
QLD, 663 posts
2 May 2012 9:57AM
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I just think its funny that alot of motorcyclists put on a helmet and think theyre safe!

Yes you will protect your head in a crash and possibly your face but what about arms, legs, spine etc....

People who go out in shirts, shorts and thongs should try coming off a bike slowly on a dirt road (less of a cheese grater surface) and see if they still think theyre safe with just a helmet on!

But I do agree that it is silly that we allow the other things to occur but that is the responsibility of having free choice in your life.

getfunky
WA, 4485 posts
2 May 2012 7:58AM
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No brain - no pain

Mark _australia
WA, 22798 posts
2 May 2012 8:04AM
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All good apart from the "officer" reference.

No, he is not telling you, the Govt is. Shouldn't take it out on the cops who just have to enforce the laws they may or may not agree with

jbshack
WA, 6913 posts
2 May 2012 10:53AM
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Sailhack said...

I prefer my kids to wear helmets when riding on the road...but...ummm, yeah.


Me too. I especially like it when parents make there kids wear them but don't themselves..

At my age i need all the padding and protection i can get

busterwa
3777 posts
2 May 2012 11:02AM
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5:49 on why your helmets are a good thing !



pweedas
WA, 4642 posts
2 May 2012 11:54AM
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Mark _australia said...

All good apart from the "officer" reference.

No, he is not telling you, the Govt is. Shouldn't take it out on the cops who just have to enforce the laws they may or may not agree with


Yes but it's the "officer" who chooses to waste his time by pulling you over and writing you a ticket for such a petty offence.
He could just as easilly drive past and ignore you in the same way that almost all of them do. And I bet if it was one of his friends or his family he would do just that, but as a special favour to you, he's going to bust your ass and write you a ticket.
It's not the politicians or the "law" that pulls you over and writes the ticket. It's the "officer". And they do have the choice to either write it up if they think a serious offence is being comitted or ignore it if they think it's irrelevant, which they mstly do. If they are incapable of determining what is a serious offence worth chasing up and what is not then they don't have the inteligence to do the job.
If they are riding along a busy highway without a helmet then give them a ticket.
If they are ambling along a cycleway without a helmet, then be sensible and leave them alone.

AquaPlow
QLD, 1053 posts
2 May 2012 2:08PM
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Guess who gets to pick up the bill after Ur brain is Knack'ed??? A no brainer that one.. (Need a Homer smiley here - DOOOOOOOHH)[}:)][}:)]


So U should be given the right to legally apply for excemption and have a notice attached to Ur medicare card which flags at TRIAGE in the A&E - if there is some hope send to private for self-funding - else 4 all organs are automatically available for donation to some one with a brain..

A&E stat's covering this sort of accident are numbing....

The pictures are crap nothing to do with ABI - sounds like that media baron miss-leading the public again - totally un-fit.

And while U R @ it......[}:)]
Yes I did vote for the NBN.... - even CHINA with its masses (i.e. big infrastucture bill) has go that one right...

Lunch bell just gone off (well my tum is rumbling)

- BFN..

AP

busterwa
3777 posts
2 May 2012 4:29PM
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sn
WA, 2775 posts
2 May 2012 6:32PM
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Many years ago,
(back when we dodged dinosaurs and sabre tooth tigers on the way to school)
me and my mates did a lot of real.dumb.stuff. on our pushies.
but being kids and therefore bulletproof we (mostly) survived in usually one piece.

I cant remember how many times I limped back home with chunks of skin missing, dragging the remains of my bike with me and trying to sneak past mum without her seeing the leaking claret.

But honestly- not one of the injuries our mob copped would have been prevented or affected by a bike helmet!
Never did we land in such a way that a helmet would have helped.

Mind you- a 8" thick slab of polystyrene foam strapped to my face, knees, shins, hips, elbows and bum might have saved a few scars!
Bike helmets might save some injuries- but I often wonder if they are more placebo and feel-good factor than anything else.
Looking at how they are made- it seems they might reduce impact to the spine if you are landing on the top of your head, and thats about all.
Anyone out there know much about bike helmets?

stephen

Gwendy
SA, 472 posts
2 May 2012 9:36PM
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have a look at this. http://helmetfreedom.org/

I've had to prepare a defence case for police prosecution in court twice now for helmet infringement. Both successful.

My own reseach would indicate the information above is accurate. Obviously they have there own agenda, The statistics however are solid.

All helmets approved by standards Australia are constructed from Poly-styrene. This material is not the completely harmless substance people think it is.

Google "polystyrene human health". The American EPA registered EPS as a carcenogenic substance in June 2011.

dinsdale
WA, 1227 posts
2 May 2012 8:20PM
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jamdfingr said...
I just think its funny that alot of motorcyclists put on a helmet and think theyre safe!

The helmet is to keep all the mess in one, easy to collect bucket.

Chris6791
WA, 3271 posts
2 May 2012 8:33PM
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^^^ Sometimes referred to as a brain bucket

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
3 May 2012 9:11AM
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sn said...

Many years ago,
(back when we dodged dinosaurs and sabre tooth tigers on the way to school)
me and my mates did a lot of real.dumb.stuff. on our pushies.
but being kids and therefore bulletproof we (mostly) survived in usually one piece.

I cant remember how many times I limped back home with chunks of skin missing, dragging the remains of my bike with me and trying to sneak past mum without her seeing the leaking claret.

But honestly- not one of the injuries our mob copped would have been prevented or affected by a bike helmet!
Never did we land in such a way that a helmet would have helped.

Mind you- a 8" thick slab of polystyrene foam strapped to my face, knees, shins, hips, elbows and bum might have saved a few scars!
Bike helmets might save some injuries- but I often wonder if they are more placebo and feel-good factor than anything else.
Looking at how they are made- it seems they might reduce impact to the spine if you are landing on the top of your head, and thats about all.
Anyone out there know much about bike helmets?

stephen


Agreed, I think it was a lot of dumb luck tho. We used to set up bike jumps on any pile of yellow sand we could find. How we didnt do any major dammage to ourselves I will never know. No saftey gear at all even wearing thongs/filp flops/double pluggers etc

Spiderguy
7 posts
3 May 2012 9:26AM
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Thered be no way Id try a bmx stunt with the secondhand bike I got for my 12th birthday. It would break the front forks, and then Id be walking instead of riding...

I did a lot of dumb things as a kid, but after being hurt a few times, you learn to be careful because it HURTS. If youve got a bike with strengthened forks, and full safety gear, of course you are going to try extreme sports. It doesnt hurt as much.

We arent doing our kids a favour by wrapping them in cotton wool. Seriously. It just dulls their sense of self preservation, and risk awareness.

GPA
WA, 2520 posts
3 May 2012 10:02AM
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I feel somewhat qualified to chip in here...

Long story short is that I have been a long time recreational cyclist - ie weekend warrior with minimal commuting.

I have had a number of 'major' accidents that have seen me in hospital - including breaking my back (major crush fracture of L2 that still gives me grief 14yrs on).

Recently I had confined my riding to cycle paths on a MTB - as such I got a little complacent and started not wearing a helmet - I figured I wasn't in traffic and wasn't going that fast...

Well a year ago I went for an early ride around the block and ended up going over the handle-bars at about 30km/hr... for some reason I had a helmet on this occassion... Luckily, as the secondary impact was my head whipping back and hitting the pavement. I hit so hard that a near new helmet was cracked through in five places, and as further evidence, my sunnies cracked across the bridge of my nose! I ended up with very mild whip-lash, but no concussion, abrasions or worse... [I ended up with a badly broken left hand and two ribs... which I consider lucky].

I now always wear a helmet when riding.

No lecture - just recounting personal experience.

dinsdale
WA, 1227 posts
3 May 2012 10:39AM
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Spiderguy said...

Thered be no way Id try a bmx stunt with the secondhand bike I got for my 12th birthday. It would break the front forks, and then Id be walking instead of riding...

I did a lot of dumb things as a kid, but after being hurt a few times, you learn to be careful because it HURTS. If youve got a bike with strengthened forks, and full safety gear, of course you are going to try extreme sports. It doesnt hurt as much.

We arent doing our kids a favour by wrapping them in cotton wool. Seriously. It just dulls their sense of self preservation, and risk awareness.

Go to the top of the class Spiderguy. By the time the little darlings are 17, have a licence and are let loose from behind mother's apron, they have absolutely NO concept of danger, risk, consequence or pain (nature's teacher). Have a look around you and see if this theory fits with what you see! Obviously it's not an absolute, but it's a pretty pervading syndrome all the same.

superlizard
VIC, 702 posts
3 May 2012 12:45PM
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GPA said...

Well a year ago I went for an early ride around the block and ended up going over the handle-bars at about 30km/hr...



I once did similar thing... hit something and flipped over handlebars. No injury to head what so ever.

The other day was riding bike, and trying to pull wheelies.. and i pushed with my foot too strong at one point and before i could get my feet off the peddals to hop off the bike as the bike rose too quick, my feet got stuck to the pedals somehow, and i ended up flat on the back on the concrete with bike upside down in the air still attached to my feet and me holding the handlebars. If someone recorded this i'd be probably winning a price at Funniest Home videos. Anyway, didn't have helmet.. didn't hit my head. I only hit my back and had pins and needles in my feet for a little while

Still, the helmet law is just another example of hypocritical government aimed at ripping as much money off people as possible. If they were concerned with safety and one's well beeing they would ban all those other things that harm one's health as mentioned in initial post. But hang on, those other things are avenues of big profit, taxes etc so we not gonna ban them...

Gorgo
VIC, 5039 posts
3 May 2012 12:50PM
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What counts for experience is really just dumb luck.

I did jump off chook shed/ride killer surf on my foamie/jump bikes off retaining walls/dive into any body of water/ride motor bikes at 100 mph every day/drive home after 10 bundies while watching a band ... and it never hurt me.

Fact is, you get away with most things.

Fact is, there's quite a few people who did not get away with stuff. You just never met them. They're sitting in old people's homes/being looked after by elderly mothers/dead.


So, stick it to the man. Don't wear a bike helmet. Take your own risks. That'll teach them.

cisco
QLD, 12350 posts
3 May 2012 2:11PM
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I have no problem with having to wear a helmet. It will protect from some injuries however there was an article in Two Wheels Mag years ago that quoted a study showing that helmet or not, the human brain cannot sustain a direct impact at 15 mph (24 kmh).

If you have ever walked or run into a post I think you would understand that serious injury can happen at low speeds.

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
3 May 2012 12:28PM
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I think I should wear a helment in the house as well

Got out of the shower one day and had to go to get some washing that was down there in the back room (tiled) so wandered down and slipped on the floor (wet feet) fell back and smashed my head on the tiles so hard my head bounced on the floor and KOed me for what I think was ten minutes maybe more and was ultra carefull when I got up.

Accidents can happen anywhere

MikeyS
VIC, 1506 posts
3 May 2012 2:55PM
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This is what I would be typing if I wasn't wearing a helmet last Thursday night when riding home from work. A woman turned left into me when I was in the bike lane doing about 30kph. Like GPA's accident, the last bit of impact was the back of my head smacking the bitumen. I have no doubt that the force of the impact, which has left me with some mild whiplash, would have fractured my skull. It was a 'ukking hard hit.

I was lying on the road and couldn't get up for about 10 minutes, and the 2 doctors and 2 nurses who appeared in seconds after the impact suggested that I not move until the ambo's arrive to check for spinal damage. I was quite happy just to lie there. The ambo's came within 5 mins, and checked that my head, and spine were still in tact. Still took me another 5 minutes to work up to a sitting position.

I will never forget how "good" the cushioning it felt when the back of the helmet smacked the road, and I could feel the impact going around my head, but not focussing on any point. I thought "geez- i survived that and am still conscious." Grazed knee and bashed shoulder was very tolerable discomfort.

So after more than 40 years of riding a bike, 25 years of commuting to and from work, this is the first time my head has ever made impact with anything.

So I don't give a rats about statistics anyone tries to justify their viewpoint why not to wear a helmet, my single anecdotal instance is more that enough to prove to me the value of wearing a helmet in the kind of riding I do.

jbshack
WA, 6913 posts
3 May 2012 1:12PM
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I guess the other thing is its LAW and if you don't wear one your breaking the LAW.

When you have kids its very hard to rationalize with them what laws they have to follow and which ones they don't have to.

Also about two years ago my son fell and smashed his head badly. Well rushed him to emergency and standing there helpless with your 5 year old son in your arms begging for help as he had blood gushing from his head wound, as well as him slipping in and out of consciousness i promised myself i didn't want to feel that again. That was nothing as for the lectures that i the nursing and doctors proceeded to give me over the next two hours

Just wear a helmet

Squid Lips
WA, 708 posts
3 May 2012 1:27PM
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felixdcat
WA, 3519 posts
3 May 2012 1:53PM
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doggie said...

I think I should wear shoes a helment in the house as well

Got out of the shower one day and had to go to get some washing that was down there in the back room (tiled) so wandered down and slipped on the floor (wet feet) fell back and smashed my head on the tiles so hard my head bounced on the floor and KOed me for what I think was ten minutes maybe more and was ultra carefull when I got up.

Accidents can happen anywhere

There doggie edited for you..... only we (cats ) can walk safely on bare paws, you dogs are too clumsy!



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