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Forums > General Discussion   Shooting the breeze...

Fremantle Port Strike holds up boards

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Created by ThePhil > 9 months ago, 18 Dec 2012
FlickySpinny
WA, 657 posts
19 Dec 2012 2:57PM
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patsken said...

So your incentive is to the sideloader. The said sideloader belongs to the transport company then - not the stevedore company or the shipping company.



Your point being?

Anyway, it's obvious that your point is that the strike has nothing to do with this delay and that it's all union bashing by the press, the shipping companies, the port (and myself) which is entirely unjustified. Thank you for your point. I don't believe you for one minute.

For the sake of full disclosure, are you (or have you ever been) a member of a union?

See ya later. It's windy out there and I'm going windsurfing.

Diver
WA, 554 posts
19 Dec 2012 4:48PM
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FlickySpinny said...

See ya later. It's windy out there and I'm going windsurfing.





AUS175
VIC, 27 posts
19 Dec 2012 8:26PM
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maybe read the article from the MUA newsletter...
http://www.mua.org.au/news-story/3503/

looks like its all sorted and the boards should be on the way by now..
IMO, i've never heard of a sideloader driver being able to get boxes off a wharf any quicker than a normal person...
and for full disclosure I am a maritme union member and employed as a stevedore...

pweedas
WA, 4642 posts
19 Dec 2012 5:40PM
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Sweet! So now we all know someone rich and famous.

ThePhil
WA, 1322 posts
19 Dec 2012 10:51PM
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If only the MUA and not the Port Authority will issue a press release then all fool them.
The situation remains that it is cheaper to airfreight in items one by one, rather than bulk by seafreight, we have become the banana republic we were warned about in the 80's.

FormulaNova
WA, 14893 posts
20 Dec 2012 5:08AM
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ThePhil said...
If only the MUA and not the Port Authority will issue a press release then all fool them.
The situation remains that it is cheaper to airfreight in items one by one, rather than bulk by seafreight, we have become the banana republic we were warned about in the 80's.



Phil, is this really the case, or just after you take into account the possibility of avoiding duty and so on?

Just out of interest, how expensive is it to ship things in containers?

Banana Republic? Yes, I think mining has done that for us, and unfortunately efforts to provide alternative industries seem to have stalled. I suspect the high AUD has made this a problem.

ThePhil
WA, 1322 posts
20 Dec 2012 9:40AM
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Phil, is this really the case, or just after you take into account the possibility of avoiding duty and so on?


It's really the case for a lot of items, businesses pay duty either way air or seaport, so I'm just talking about the delivery related costs. Obviously the bigger something gets like a SUP the only way to go is sea, but say even a short surfboard starts getting close.

That's why especially electrical retailers are really going off about the Duties and GST because when they should have had a decent buffer in bulk freight advantages, they have effectively been negated, cos the freight costs for both competitors is basically the same.

Just out of interest, how expensive is it to ship things in containers?


I'll try and dig up some invoices later and compare maybe something similar I got both ways. There are a lot of variables.


To be fair with or without the unions the Port is a natural monopoly, so you could easily get the situation where a private company rips off the customer and also treats the guys like ****. My opinion is that is what happened with Telstra, and now we have people being charged immoral rates for certain things like international roaming.

And...we seem to have gotten to the stage where we have two classes of workers, those with Government type jobs with a certain level of conditions, and those in 'the normal' workforce who have the legislated conditions. It pisses me that Labor has a system that works only for one class of worker. Where's the socialism?

Banana Republic? Yes, I think mining has done that for us, and unfortunately efforts to provide alternative industries seem to have stalled. I suspect the high AUD has made this a problem.


Banana city! I feel like I'm in Canarvon, I am an alternative industry, efforts to provide a ****ing alternative! all retailers want is a level bloody playing field and not their government actively subsidising our competitors, that's all, Christ whats so ****ing hard about it, how about they pay an extra 20% duties and tax, see how that feels.

We should be allowed to be competitive, the whole country that is, how about if the retailers drop their margins, then the govt also drops their charges, the Pollies cut their staff in half, the ALP only looks after the working poor, and we all help the truly disadvantaged.

perthriver
WA, 10 posts
20 Dec 2012 5:55PM
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I was involved in a food export business in recent years and shipped out a lot of food products out of various ports over australia, and definately over the years the wharfie strikes have lost us customers. Especially in countries like japan where reliability is important....

All of the food products australia exports can be sourced from other countries.. eg WA used to export a lot of table grapes and cauliflowers, and other vegetables to malaysia, after a couple of strikes in the past, the KL importers tried out chile for grapes..bang one export market was gone.... I dont think anyone exports table grapes to malaysia any more.

Many of australia's competitors are cheaper, and once we cant supply a market, and they try someone cheaper, its next to impossible to get it back... but then wharfies deserve the right to hold everyone else to ransom dont they ?

Is there an internet link to the pay/wages of WA wharfies ?
Do the wharfies in perth ever not get their contracts renewed ?
I got the impression that if that ever happened then we'd get another strike...

With the mining here in WA making wage costs higher for local manufacturing, and the high AUD$ making it harder to compete, every time you get a disruption, then it does hurt exporters. As time goes on every time we get less local exports... then once mining slows down there will be less local jobs....

All staff deserve to be treated fairly, but it does seem in the past that wharfies have abused their ability to damage other companies, and that I DON'T agree with....




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