Give 800 take 4000

dinsdale said...
Then the "colonial" powers moved in and began to rape the resources, as you suggest.

Don't give me any sop about all the poverty either.

So please, don't dribble on about the west causing all their poverty - they do that for themselves far better than we could, and they have done for millennia.

The bombs, the poverty and Islam are not necessarily related - at least not in the simplistic way you propose

dinsdale said...



Hmmmm. Neither of you know much about Islam then, do you.

The bombs, the poverty and Islam are not necessarily related - at least not in the simplistic way (Pugsie) proposes

dinsdale said...


Firstly (and an extremely brief synopsis), the oil riches were there before the bombs. Then the "colonial" powers moved in and began to rape the resources, as you suggest. However, for the most part that changed many years ago. Look, for example, at Saudi Arabia, Dubai, Libya, Iran and many more. I'm quite certain that you don't pretend that the oil rich countries of the middle east aren't swimming in riches, brought about by their oil sales. Don't give me any sop about all the poverty either. India is likewise an extremely rich nation. Their poverty, like the middle east's poverty. exists because of their religious beliefs/system. The rich are rich beyond imagination, and the poor, likewise. So please, don't dribble on about the west causing all their poverty - they do that for themselves far better than we could, and they have done for millennia. The bombs, the poverty and Islam are not necessarily related - at least not in the simplistic way you propose. The terror started decades before the bombs first dropped, and the poverty has been there for millennia.

There are myriad impoverished nations around the world. Name all the non-muslim ones causing global terror - any type of terror for that matter. There must be some out there, but I can't think of any.

You really, really won't like this, but the west became wealthy and civilized because of its religious/beliefs/foundations too - Judeo/Christian! Yes, we're becoming rapidly less and less civilized , but I contend that that's a result of moving rapidly away from those Judeo/Christian roots into the mire of secular moral relativism. That's another topic for another day.

As an aside, now that the Tamil Tigers have been squashed (and I'm not commenting on whether or not I agreed with the way it was done) and the IRA has calmed down, please name me one "terrorist" group that is not Muslim. Don't anyone dribble on me any rubbish about the Yanks being the terrorists.

As for Islam, in reality it's far less a religion than it is a political ideology - an extremely dictatorial ideology. Rather than me reinventing the wheel have a good in depth read of a couple of these sites first, then come back to this post and continue on ....
thereligionofpeace.com/ (particularly the "About Islam" link)
www.jihadwatch.org/
www.memri.org/
www.politicalislam.com/
www.historyofjihad.org/
or even read the Quran for yourself. www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/quran.htm
There are so many resources out there I'm surprised you missed them all.

Back to our poor impoverished uninvited immigrants. Some of them, I am fully convinced are genuine refugees, fleeing massive injustice, horror, war, violence and any other superlatives you can find in that context. BUT, they're running from Islam, (and sharia) because Islam is the cause of the violence and horror etc. In general, they're not running from what the coalition forces are doing there (whether or not you agree with what the coalition forces are doing there is utterly irrelevant in this context). I sincerely wish there was a way to weed them out from the rest, but alas and alac, they all have their papers destroyed. If I was a genuine refugee I'd want some way to prove it!

Many of them are coming here (and every other western nation) for a far more sinister purpose. Have you had a bit of a look at what's happening all over Europe and the UK? Do really think we're immune to all that? Islam has a purpose, and it's setting about that purpose now! "Well, what about the majority of peace loving muslims?" you ask. When I see peace loving muslims marching in the streets in countries all over the world, protesting about the mongrels who have hijacked their peaceful religion I'll believe. Until then, the vast majority of muslims, whilst not actually out there killing people, agree with what their "brothers" are doing - and I'm right! Islam has NOT been hijacked - it's just starting to show its true self. As I asked in an earlier post, "Have none of you heard of the Muslim doctrine Al-Taqiyah? " Google is your friend!

In reality, this subject is far too big for this forum, so I'd suggest that you do a little study and research into Islam and its many facets for yourself. I've given you some good places to begin, and each of those has loads of links to continue. Bear in mind that our mainstream media (msm) tells almost nothing of what's actually happening in the world. That's how so many conspiracy theories seem to be invented I believe. We know we're not being told what's happening, so it's only natural for people to try to fill in the blanks for themselves.

Any'ow, mine isn't superior knowledge - it's common knowledge, to those who do study Islam and it's place in the world today. Oh, and before I forget, kiteboy dave, you're right, but there are categories of illegals too. Some more innocuous than others. Some, many, most arrive here, blend in, work and probably eventually integrate into Oz society/culture. Their progeny may well become upright Oz citizens. The Muslim experience, around the world is exactly the opposite. There have been studies undertaken in Britain revealing that 2nd and 3rd generation muzzies (from immigrant parents) are more radical than their forebears. They don't integrate! In general (though not exclusively I must admit) the Muslim ones are to be avoided - at all cost!

Every time I read through my diatribe I add more bits, so it's time call it it quits now and allow myself to be crucified.

ps I don't necessarily agree with having western armed forces in the middle east.

dinsdale said...


Firstly (and an extremely brief synopsis), the oil riches were there before the bombs. Then the "colonial" powers moved in and began to rape the resources, as you suggest. However, for the most part that changed many years ago. Look, for example, at Saudi Arabia, Dubai, Libya, Iran and many more. I'm quite certain that you don't pretend that the oil rich countries of the middle east aren't swimming in riches, brought about by their oil sales. Don't give me any sop about all the poverty either. India is likewise an extremely rich nation. Their poverty, like the middle east's poverty. exists because of their religious beliefs/system. The rich are rich beyond imagination, and the poor, likewise. So please, don't dribble on about the west causing all their poverty - they do that for themselves far better than we could, and they have done for millennia. The bombs, the poverty and Islam are not necessarily related - at least not in the simplistic way you propose. The terror started decades before the bombs first dropped, and the poverty has been there for millennia.

There are myriad impoverished nations around the world. Name all the non-muslim ones causing global terror - any type of terror for that matter. There must be some out there, but I can't think of any.

You really, really won't like this, but the west became wealthy and civilized because of its religious/beliefs/foundations too - Judeo/Christian! Yes, we're becoming rapidly less and less civilized , but I contend that that's a result of moving rapidly away from those Judeo/Christian roots into the mire of secular moral relativism. That's another topic for another day.

As an aside, now that the Tamil Tigers have been squashed (and I'm not commenting on whether or not I agreed with the way it was done) and the IRA has calmed down, please name me one "terrorist" group that is not Muslim. Don't anyone dribble on me any rubbish about the Yanks being the terrorists.

As for Islam, in reality it's far less a religion than it is a political ideology - an extremely dictatorial ideology. Rather than me reinventing the wheel have a good in depth read of a couple of these sites first, then come back to this post and continue on ....
thereligionofpeace.com/ (particularly the "About Islam" link)
www.jihadwatch.org/
www.memri.org/
www.politicalislam.com/
www.historyofjihad.org/
or even read the Quran for yourself. www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/quran.htm
There are so many resources out there I'm surprised you missed them all.

Back to our poor impoverished uninvited immigrants. Some of them, I am fully convinced are genuine refugees, fleeing massive injustice, horror, war, violence and any other superlatives you can find in that context. BUT, they're running from Islam, (and sharia) because Islam is the cause of the violence and horror etc. In general, they're not running from what the coalition forces are doing there (whether or not you agree with what the coalition forces are doing there is utterly irrelevant in this context). I sincerely wish there was a way to weed them out from the rest, but alas and alac, they all have their papers destroyed. If I was a genuine refugee I'd want some way to prove it!

Many of them are coming here (and every other western nation) for a far more sinister purpose. Have you had a bit of a look at what's happening all over Europe and the UK? Do really think we're immune to all that? Islam has a purpose, and it's setting about that purpose now! "Well, what about the majority of peace loving muslims?" you ask. When I see peace loving muslims marching in the streets in countries all over the world, protesting about the mongrels who have hijacked their peaceful religion I'll believe. Until then, the vast majority of muslims, whilst not actually out there killing people, agree with what their "brothers" are doing - and I'm right! Islam has NOT been hijacked - it's just starting to show its true self. As I asked in an earlier post, "Have none of you heard of the Muslim doctrine Al-Taqiyah? " Google is your friend!

In reality, this subject is far too big for this forum, so I'd suggest that you do a little study and research into Islam and its many facets for yourself. I've given you some good places to begin, and each of those has loads of links to continue. Bear in mind that our mainstream media (msm) tells almost nothing of what's actually happening in the world. That's how so many conspiracy theories seem to be invented I believe. We know we're not being told what's happening, so it's only natural for people to try to fill in the blanks for themselves.

Any'ow, mine isn't superior knowledge - it's common knowledge, to those who do study Islam and it's place in the world today. Oh, and before I forget, kiteboy dave, you're right, but there are categories of illegals too. Some more innocuous than others. Some, many, most arrive here, blend in, work and probably eventually integrate into Oz society/culture. Their progeny may well become upright Oz citizens. The Muslim experience, around the world is exactly the opposite. There have been studies undertaken in Britain revealing that 2nd and 3rd generation muzzies (from immigrant parents) are more radical than their forebears. They don't integrate! In general (though not exclusively I must admit) the Muslim ones are to be avoided - at all cost!

Every time I read through my diatribe I add more bits, so it's time call it it quits now and allow myself to be crucified.

ps I don't necessarily agree with having western armed forces in the middle east.

log man said...
Wow, this is one of those posts that is far more interesting if you read between the lines. The content is the usual, "look out it's the Muslims" stuff. But between the lines is another one of those "I've got a real thing about Muslims,foreigners,(people of colour) Invaders, other cultures etc deals. Then the great search starts, the desire to find "the REAL truth" and it's always the selective search of information that will turn up one gem that can support the theory.

dinsdale said...

Woohoo!! That sure livened things up.

James, you purposely take parts of my statements completely out of context - the context of the discussion about illegal immigrants and out of the context of my rant. Read what I said, in context, then come back with some answers to it or something constructive.

dinsdale said...

Woohoo!! That sure livened things up.

James, you purposely take parts of my statements completely out of context - the context of the discussion about illegal immigrants and out of the context of my rant. Read what I said, in context, then come back with some answers to it or something constructive.

To all, of course Islam must be central to the discussion, because the vast, vast majority of all the illegals, both here and overseas are muslim, and Islam is at the center of all the problems. ALL global terrorism is muslim. Muslim terrorism began long before The coalition forces began dropping bombs in the middle east. It was japie (not James - I apologize) who said, "Poverty breeds discontent, people flee and they want to come here. When they do it serves a double purpose in that it keeps seemingly intelligent people from looking at the root cause." Said poverty is prevalent all over the world, but only poor muslims want to kill people. NO OTHER RELIGION on Earth is out there slaughtering any one who dares to question them. And no-one should kid themselves that it's not about Islam, when they produce videos telling us it is, when they shout "Allahu Akbar" as they blow innocents to smitherines and when they march in the streets (Europe, UK, USA) with placards proclaiming loudly that it is.

The problems with this whole illegal immigrant thing here in Oz, as in other western nations, eventually comes down to the incompatibility of Islam within a civilized, secular western nation.

"Have none of you heard of the Muslim doctrine Al-Taqiyah? "
www.hauns.com/~DCQu4E5g/koran5.html
Please, read this and learn! Or, if you wish simply Google the term (Al-Taqiyah). and try a link of your choosing - all the ones that I've tried say pretty much the same thing. Al-Taqiyah is a real, used muslim doctrine.

Islam is an ideology which is probably the most evil yet devised. Various historians credit Islam with more dead bodies than even Stalin's 80 odd million. Hitler was no more than a babe in the woods compared to the real pros, Stalin and Mao, and Islam has a pile of deadens equal to their combined total and we actually argue about whether or not we should be allowing it to take root in our country.

In summary, why should we care about all these illegal immigrants coming to our country?
Because they're overwhelmingly muslim, they bring Islam with them, and Islam is trouble wherever it goes.
Any'ow, that's me done on this topic. Relax now

Cheers all

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LOGMAN said...
Mate have you heard of the Catholic church?, The crusades, the "born again" movement.... have you heard of Christianity?