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Created by Greenroom > 9 months ago, 18 Nov 2010
Greenroom
WA, 7608 posts
18 Nov 2010 10:30PM
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I bet you clicked on this thread hoping it was about pot? Dope head hahaha!
Well sorry Maybe try yourastoner.com
Its about my lawn. With only one day a week to have the sprinklers on I usually just hand water 3 times a week.
My question is to all the green thumbs out there. When is the best time to water your lawn?
At night so the water can soak in? Will watering the lawn on a hot day burn the lawn? Shoud it be soaked?
Any tip to having the greenest and best looking lawn in the street would help

Dawn Patrol
WA, 1991 posts
19 Nov 2010 1:32AM
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Rip up lawn, plant native bush. Watch it grow with minimal water and it will attract birds

I'm no expert, but i would think before the sun comes up in the morning. Coldest time, minimal evaporation etc.

Didn't know lawn could be burnt with water?

japie
NSW, 6931 posts
19 Nov 2010 8:29AM
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I could give you reams of lawn care tips but I am not going to as I don't want to subject you to the most mind numbingly gormless occupation that man has devised.

Kill it with weed mat and plant shrubs, you will never regret it. You can throw your lawn mower away and extend your life expectancy and add more value to your existence!

Clarky
QLD, 290 posts
19 Nov 2010 7:34AM
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Rip up your lawn and replace with artificial grass.

Sailhack
VIC, 5000 posts
19 Nov 2010 9:23AM
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Late afternoon, around sunset...gives the water a chance to reach the roots without evaporating. Watering on a hot day will cook the grass & most of the water will be lost to evap.

Or...all the above. Lawn grass isn't a native, so if you want to be truly 'green', attempt to revert the yard to what it originally was...good luck with that!

cisco
QLD, 12337 posts
19 Nov 2010 9:16AM
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japie said...

I could give you reams of lawn care tips but I am not going to as I don't want to subject you to the most mind numbingly gormless occupation that man has devised.

Kill it with weed mat and plant shrubs, you will never regret it. You can throw your lawn mower away and extend your life expectancy and add more value to your existence!


Classic Gold japie, Classic Gold, especially "the most mind numbingly gormless occupation that man has devised."



theDoctor
NSW, 5780 posts
19 Nov 2010 11:03AM
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I'm all for the native shrub back to original yadda yadda yadda,

but there's something about a freshly mown lawn......

makes me think i should do it more often...

and cease to be the one house in the street whom everyone thinks is abandoned

sausage
QLD, 4873 posts
19 Nov 2010 11:20AM
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Somehow my 3 boys who are ball sports crazy wouldn't appreciate me ripping up our beautiful turf soccer, football, running, wrestling, frisbee pitch.

I have always watered on dusk or after the sun goes down as everyone has suggested it lets the moisture soak in. My other theory with this is any overnight dew has a better chance of being taken up by the soil. Depending on soil type, a wetting agent can save you heaps of water too. I also leave my grass clippings on the lawn but make sure there are no big clumps to potentially kill the grass (dead matter can promote mould growth). Should be fertilizing this time of year too.

Mark _australia
WA, 22414 posts
19 Nov 2010 10:37AM
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You should water early morning like 0400 - 0500 in summer.

Reason is plants use water in the daytime

Water + CO2 + cholorophyll + sunlight = glucose or something like that. At night the plants use the energy from the day and if you burn glucose you produce water as a byproduct.....some of which is lost out thru the leaves. That is why your grass is damp in the morning) Well that is my hazy recollection of biology... but in short they use water in the day and at night it is no good to them they only take up a bit
So no point watering at sunset

Other thing is too much watering makes the plant shallow rooted (why build lotsa deep roots looking for water if you don't have to) so it is less drought tolerant and less hardy in general.

People get all upset about water rostering (I do too, because of the reasons it is implimented.....) however really it is good for the gardens. One good soaking per week in spring and 2 good soakings per week in summer is good for roots. 10mins every day is not.

Agree with wetting agent too. I'm told you can use dishwashing detergent applied very weakly as apparently that Wettasoil is nothing special and expensive. Haven't tried detergent meselves though......

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
19 Nov 2010 10:51AM
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Mark _australia said...

You should water early morning like 0400 - 0500 in summer.

Reason is plants use water in the daytime

Water + CO2 + cholorophyll + sunlight = glucose or something like that. At night the plants use the energy from the day and if you burn glucose you produce water as a byproduct.....some of which is lost out thru the leaves. That is why your grass is damp in the morning) Well that is my hazy recollection of biology... but in short they use water in the day and at night it is no good to them they only take up a bit
So no point watering at sunset

Other thing is too much watering makes the plant shallow rooted (why build lotsa deep roots looking for water if you don't have to) so it is less drought tolerant and less hardy in general.

People get all upset about water rostering (I do too, because of the reasons it is implimented.....) however really it is good for the gardens. One good soaking per week in spring and 2 good soakings per week in summer is good for roots. 10mins every day is not.

Agree with wetting agent too. I'm told you can use dishwashing detergent applied very weakly as apparently that Wettasoil is nothing special and expensive. Haven't tried detergent meselves though......


You are wasted in your profession Mark

GypsyDrifter
WA, 2371 posts
19 Nov 2010 11:04AM
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What Mark said..

and wetta soil put on by watering can once every 3 months...
and watered in.
I actually don't water from about April till October...
don't need to
and these days my fertilizer is a Tea of poo
which I put on every thing

maxm
NSW, 864 posts
19 Nov 2010 2:26PM
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I haven't watered for years except when getting new plants established. Not since water restrictions were first imposed (and then lifted) in Sydney way back. The plants that couldn't cope died. They got replaced by ones that could. Most of the plants just kept going and now they all look after themselves. Some of the grass didn't cope but it couch (and a lot of weeds) grew up in its place. Mow it and it looks green just about like lawn should. Good enough.

I've got a neighbour a few doors up that spends countless hours watering and feeding his grass, mows at least twice a week. No other plants, just grass. The man needs a life I reckon.

Mark _australia
WA, 22414 posts
19 Nov 2010 11:33AM
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doggie said...

Mark _australia said...

blah blah blah


You are wasted in your profession Mark


Yeah thinking about giving up the gigolo thing and becoming a greenkeeper

Manscaped to landscaped. Schweet. Just need a bigger mower......

shi thouse
WA, 1141 posts
19 Nov 2010 11:39AM
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Greenie,

I have toilled over a lawn which has moments of glory and others that make all the effort seem like a waste of time.

Having experimented with wetting agents, different sprinklers, different watering times, fertilizers....etc.

The best advice that I have come up with so far is:
- water early morning around 4am, this will give the H2O the chance to seep in, hence minimising evaporation
- water less frequently but for longer
- dont mow your lawn too short - doesnt help with aspects of water loss
- plant Kikuyu - this is a southern hemisphere lawn which is tough as (only one recommended by schools in WA and the type you mainly see around Kings Park) as it can be trampled to death by kids and pets and still looks good, has deep roots, and is fairly drought resistant - problem is that it has runners (not a problem - pull 'em out when they get into the garden beds - couch does the same)
- the other new fashion in retic also is drip system that runs under the lawn - apparently uses less water, doesnt have runnoff or water blowing everywhere during a strong breeze, is more effective at getting to the roots, cant be seen

Having said all that I am minimising as much lawn as possible and putting in natives - dont go the plastic grass unless you dont mind burning your feet during summer.


pweedas
WA, 4642 posts
19 Nov 2010 1:48PM
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Yeah,. wot Mark_Aus said,.. mostly.
Except for the "too much watering makes the grass shallow rooted"

I think he meant watering too often makes grass shallow rooted.
If you water it too much, then the water soaks deeper down and the roots follow it down, thus making them deeper rooted,.

Growing grass is all just a solar powered energy system. It works like this.
When the sun shines, the grass stores the incoming energy by converting the CO2 in the atmosphere plus water from the soil into celluose products.
You can get this energy back anytime by just drying the grass out and burning it. What you get back is the same energy that fell on the grass as it was growing, less whatever was lost in inefficiencies in the growing process.

Or,.. you can feed the grass to cows and they convert the low grade energy stored in the grass to higher grade or more dense energy stored as meat and fat. It's still the same energy that fell on the grass as it was growing but less of it due to inefficiencies in the process.
e.g. they seem to plop lots of it on the ground so you can step in it from time to time when you're not paying sufficient attention. It's a free service they provide to add some variation to your otherwise dull life.
Then,.. when they have stored enough, they present themselves to be shot so we can eat them. It's another service they freely provide.

So after we eat them, we convert the energy in the meat and fat into energy to go windsurfing which makes us breath out CO2 back into the atmosphere.
It's still the same energy that fell on the grass but less of it due to inefficiencies in the process.

The CO2 is then used to grow more grass, and around it goes again,.. and again,.. and,..
So get that grass growing, and LOTS OF IT!

nebbian
WA, 6277 posts
19 Nov 2010 2:20PM
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Mark _australia said...

I'm told you can use dishwashing detergent applied very weakly as apparently that Wettasoil is nothing special and expensive. Haven't tried detergent meselves though......


There's a fabulous program on local ABC radio on Saturday mornings, called "Roots and shoots", says it all really

Anyway Sabrina really, really, really knows her stuff, and she was horrified when someone said that they used dishwashing detergent on the lawn... she said that it caused more harm than good, you need a proper wetting agent for soil.

I don't think it's that expensive.

Mark _australia
WA, 22414 posts
19 Nov 2010 2:44PM
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Nebbs that would not suprise me I heard it from some dood on the internet

Wettasoil granular (lasts longer) cost me $50 to do front and back lawn about errmmm maybe 500sqm. Plus fertiliser makes it about $100 for a joint I don't own.

lotofwind
NSW, 6451 posts
19 Nov 2010 5:56PM
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Concrete is your friend,

Never have to waste water on it,weed it, miss time down the beach cause you need to mow it.

Dont have to get up at 4am to water it(now thats crazy).

Your kids will become better sportsmen cause they will learn quickly when playing sports in the back yard to not fall over, otherwise that back yard grass(green painted concrete) will grind a few layers of skin off..

You even wont have to clip your dogs claws,the crete keeps em dull.
All this = more time down the beach.

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ok
NSW, 1088 posts
19 Nov 2010 6:59PM
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Mondo grass pain in the arse to plant it but i have it havent mowed it once pulled a few weeds and thats about it just dont let the dog piss on it turns yellow

evlPanda
NSW, 9202 posts
20 Nov 2010 12:46AM
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Don't ask me, I always end up burning my grass.

Jezza
WA, 22 posts
20 Nov 2010 1:16PM
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shi thouse said...

Greenie,



- the other new fashion in retic also is drip system that runs under the lawn - apparently uses less water, doesnt have runnoff or water blowing everywhere during a strong breeze, is more effective at getting to the roots, cant be seen




This is exactly that....a fashion. These systems are designed, and are great for soils which are high in clay content. Not so great (crap) for your typical west australian sand pit, and especially under lawns. People end up having to run these systems for a long time to get any benefit from them in WA and probably end up using more water. And god help you when you have blockages, and air-locks. I would avoid these systems at all costs. Oh they are a rip off for what they are too.

lotofwind
NSW, 6451 posts
20 Nov 2010 7:31PM
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The only grass I want to mow is my neighbours

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
20 Nov 2010 5:13PM
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Jezza said...

shi thouse said...

Greenie,



- the other new fashion in retic also is drip system that runs under the lawn - apparently uses less water, doesnt have runnoff or water blowing everywhere during a strong breeze, is more effective at getting to the roots, cant be seen




This is exactly that....a fashion. These systems are designed, and are great for soils which are high in clay content. Not so great (crap) for your typical west australian sand pit, and especially under lawns. People end up having to run these systems for a long time to get any benefit from them in WA and probably end up using more water. And god help you when you have blockages, and air-locks. I would avoid these systems at all costs. Oh they are a rip off for what they are too.


funny you should mention the clay soils. I have installed a few of these systems in kalgoorlie clay soils and no longer install them , I reckon they only work in sandy soils.
couple of suggestions for your lawn. dont put one down on sandy soils, or clayey soils. you really need a 50/50 blend.
this advice is completely useless as you have a lawn on the wrong soil already. so if your soil is sand , a light topdress with clay and gypsum. if your soil is clay add some course sand.
wetasoil( not the brand) is basically a variation on gypsum, so if you let your lawn dry out( by infrequent watering) it drys and becomes relatively useless, even sealing the top of the soil.
avoid things that compact your lawn like cars , motorised lawn mowers........

you can see where all the traffic goes in the middle of the photos. the dry area on the left is where our soil is really thin over hard calcrete and rock.
the grass is kikuyu with buffalo runners added in the shady areas. this lawn actually looks better in winter as it is well protected from frost

regular fertilizing gives your lawn the green colour, but little else.
On my own lawn i have large shady trees around the perimeter but with the understorey raised and the canopy lightly thinned, to allow light and air to flow through, thus cooling the garden in summer. I see many people in kal remove the trees as they feel that it is stopping the grass from growing, but you need to remember that the trees keep the natural water table down and so reduce the amount of salts that build up in the top few inches due to evaporation
the back lawn is 150m sq and has 50% shade at any time of day.
the dryest parts of the garden are next to where I have paved, having been encouraged by water saving experts..
Pehaps you could look at more grey water recycling . all our washing machine water goes through the laundry wall into a 200l drum the gravity feeds onto the lawn. we move it around to the various fruit trees as they are fruiting and to the dryer spots on the lawn.
the reason for the drum is that washing machine pumps arnt designed to pump far or with much head, so they burn out with a long hose attached.
mind you grey water puddling on you lawn is illegal( health department)
Our set up was once photograhed by a watercorp rep and we were told that it was a great idea, then 6 months later the photo appeared in a Waterwise presentation as being bad AND illegal. 3 people at the lecture rang me to have a laugh
Im rather impressd by all the good tips and ideas Ive read here. maybe we are starting to pay attention


japie
NSW, 6931 posts
20 Nov 2010 9:17PM
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theDoctor said...


I'm all for the native shrub back to original yadda yadda yadda,

but there's something about a freshly mown lawn......

makes me think i should do it more often...

and cease to be the one house in the street whom everyone thinks is abandoned




Fate fixed that problem for us, the landlord moved in next door!

lotofwind
NSW, 6451 posts
20 Nov 2010 9:25PM
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^^^^^^^^^^thats gotta suck

Singo Cam
WA, 83 posts
20 Nov 2010 9:40PM
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How about some info on runners and if i put them in this week will the area i have for em be right by xmas?

SandS
VIC, 5904 posts
21 Nov 2010 10:11PM
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Greenroom said...

I bet you clicked on this thread hoping it was about pot? Dope head hahaha!
Well sorry Maybe try yourastoner.com
Its about my lawn. With only one day a week to have the sprinklers on I usually just hand water 3 times a week.
My question is to all the green thumbs out there. When is the best time to water your lawn?
At night so the water can soak in? Will watering the lawn on a hot day burn the lawn? Shoud it be soaked?
Any tip to having the greenest and best looking lawn in the street would help


Yep...... move to Victoria too much growth here !!!

new motto ... "if it grows it goes"



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