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Created by Bento > 9 months ago, 27 Feb 2013
youngbull
QLD, 825 posts
28 Feb 2013 1:26AM
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Did you actually read what I typed Take it you had a bad day

smicko
WA, 2503 posts
28 Feb 2013 12:50AM
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Right, now you've done it (not you in particular YB) another never ending bloody shark thread. Don't blame me you've brought this on yourselves.


myusernam
QLD, 6112 posts
28 Feb 2013 12:04PM
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the queensland nets dont normally account for the bigger sharks. The big ones are targeted by the use of baited drum lines.

Tigersharks are scavengers and opportunistic feeders. The eat anything but don't expel lots of energy hunting stuff down.

Great whites are hunters, used to preying on and attacking agile fast swimming mammals of similar size to humans, that look remarkably like seals whilst perched on a boogie board.

Overfishing doesn't affect great whites IMHO as they prefer high fat mammals like seals and whales. There are more of these now than ever due to protection so I would say that the increase in white issues would be more due to increasing whale and seal stocks than overfishing. Remember that whales were hunted pretty hard (humpbacks near extinction) for well over 100 years.

As for the theories of sharks becoming familiar with man due to cage diving, they document and research the sharks that they see. Possibly they would know if one of the sharks that they had seen cage diving off SA was involved in a fatality in perth if it was caught? Sharks there might not go to WA. You would think the researchers would be onto it if they did.




jbshack
WA, 6913 posts
28 Feb 2013 10:33AM
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Same old boring argument. "The ski is falling" Way to go chicken Little's

Stay out of the water for f---sake..Leave it for the people who can see/access the real dangers in life, oh and our kids

southace
SA, 4762 posts
28 Feb 2013 1:51PM
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I don't really think the sharks are as smart some state they are. They actually have very small brains. There movements are far to random and most of there underwater patterns are navigated by magnetic fields and underwater highways not by memory.

Where the cage diving is located the sharks have been visiting the same sites for hundreds of years.
All the cage divers do is Bearly them up to the surface.

If you go to these spots and just anchor up you would be lucky to see one come to the boat or even surface.

I really doubt this industry entices sharks to feed on humans more along the lines it may feed them up on fresh tuna which in turn will make them more active for breeding cycles. These sharks do eat fish and as someone stated there main diet are seals well that's not exactly true it's more than likely optuinistic for sharks to grab a seal rather than a snapper or tuna.

Like I said how many attacks were there in the 1700s when water sports where non existent? There are less sharks, less food and more humans using the water now ....this is the only reason we see more attacks ...... And what has the Batavia got to do with this thread I have to wonder?

DunkO
NSW, 1143 posts
28 Feb 2013 2:50PM
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Mobydisc said...
There are too many big sharks out there. In my book humans are more important than sharks.



Human population 7,100,868,651, we are not exactly endangered.

We loose a few through shark attacks, world wide about 100, world wide murder rate is about 460,000 (and that is not because we are hungry) not including wars. Maybe we need to cull our selves.

wave knave
306 posts
28 Feb 2013 12:11PM
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DunkO said...
Mobydisc said...
There are too many big sharks out there. In my book humans are more important than sharks.



Human population 7,100,868,651, we are not exactly endangered.

We loose a few through shark attacks, world wide about 100, world wide murder rate is about 460,000 (and that is not because we are hungry) not including wars. Maybe we need to cull our selves.



seems we are.

MDSXR6T
WA, 1019 posts
28 Feb 2013 12:53PM
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southace said...
And what has the Batavia got to do with this thread I have to wonder?


Its a bit OT but Razzonator mentioned Hugh Edwards book "Shark" (a fantastic book, i have a signed copy) but Hugh also happens to be an expert on all things maritime in Western Australia. He was involved in finding the Batavia (undoubtedly a rather important piece of Australian history) in the early 60's amongst other ship wrecks / treasure.

AFAIK he was one of the original cage divers to dive with whites in Albany when they bought the whales in.

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
28 Feb 2013 1:07PM
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smicko said...


I was going to post a link to the theme song but this is better.

Maybe your new avatar Barbs?


Farrrk me it looks like dog, but.................

Macroscien
QLD, 6806 posts
28 Feb 2013 11:23PM
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wave knave said...
DunkO said...
Mobydisc said...
There are too many big sharks out there. In my book humans are more important than sharks.



Human population 7,100,868,651, we are not exactly endangered.

We loose a few through shark attacks, world wide about 100, world wide murder rate is about 460,000 (and that is not because we are hungry) not including wars. Maybe we need to cull our selves.



seems we are.




That what I like about statistics.
A person walking a street in Sydney is at same risk as one swimming in Perth or Adelaide.....for a shark attack

jn1
2454 posts
28 Feb 2013 10:24PM
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I agree with Razzonater and can relate to what he says. In Adelaide River, Topend, the jumping crocodile cruises are very popular. They started about mid 80's from memory. I used to love fishing in small dinghies in systems like this, but eventually stopped due to this hazard.

Quick question: Why is Perth lite up like a christmas tree on the link below ?. Is it because this is where the sharks are, or is it because only WA people are reporting sharks ?

http://www.sharkalarm.com.au/

MDSXR6T
WA, 1019 posts
28 Feb 2013 10:40PM
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I guess even the sharks know we have the best beaches, lifestyle and west aussies would surely taste better



Ian K
WA, 4048 posts
1 Mar 2013 5:39AM
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jn1 said...

Quick question: Why is Perth lite up like a christmas tree on the link below ?. Is it because this is where the sharks are, or is it because only WA people are reporting sharks ?

http://www.sharkalarm.com.au/



It's cultural. My grandfather shifted to WA in the late 50s, our family sailed over to visit on the SS Oronsay. I remember my mother was amused that I spent the whole trip leaning over the back watching the wake. And when we got there the headlines in the paper were "3 foot shark in 2 feet of water at Cottesloe!" That made her laugh she speculated that surely they meant 3 foot in diameter? She was equally amused that it even made news in the paper. Swimmers often got chased out of the water in Victoria but it never made the newspapers. We stayed at Mt Pleasant on the Canning river.

Who in Perth used to make those little galvanised iron canoes back then? I thought they were pretty good, we didn't have them in Vic, never even got to paddle one though.

deejay8204
QLD, 557 posts
2 Mar 2013 9:44AM
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And yet people keep swimming / Surfing etc, at the same places every day that are known shark areas, and then complain when they or someone they know gets bitten or killed. And they say humans are smart? If they were smart they would not swim there again.

Would you put your hand in a blender knowing that it could take your fingers off?

ggh
VIC, 190 posts
2 Mar 2013 11:48AM
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One species right to life versus another's right to recreation . Seems a little unbalanced certainly from the sharks percpective .

jbshack
WA, 6913 posts
2 Mar 2013 11:57AM
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ggh said...
One species right to life versus another's right to recreation . Seems a little unbalanced certainly from the sharks percpective .


Especially with new numbers saying humans kill 273 million sharks a year

FlySurfer
NSW, 4453 posts
2 Mar 2013 4:28PM
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Dang some of you folk are just plain bubba gump dumb.

And for those who aren't...

DaylightDebt
WA, 296 posts
2 Mar 2013 6:12PM
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Such a majestic fish! who would believe that they are not such a cute and gracious animal as depicted in this video.

Maybe they should all be called Shamu! or Sea Labradors! its all about the marketing!

If the lovely girl diving with them, however unlikely was killed accidentally by the fish would she be considered suicidal by society or just unlucky?

ikw777
QLD, 2995 posts
2 Mar 2013 8:39PM
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This one's white...
Better watch out, it has it's eye on you.


FormulaNova
WA, 14438 posts
2 Mar 2013 6:56PM
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FlySurfer said...
Dang some of you folk are just plain bubba gump dumb.

And for those who aren't...



Yeah, just as cute as those nice lookin' grizzly bears.

I wonder if it would make a good pet?

Do they need much to eat?

Safe? Yeah, sure, as long as you treat it with respect

TurtleHunter
WA, 1675 posts
2 Mar 2013 7:24PM
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I did the shark cage dive out of port lincoln this year and there was only 1 out of the 8 sharks we saw with a tag. With 40 tourists paying for the boat (and dec getting a decent slice) to see them you would also think they could be doing a lot more to study them. The second we dropped anchor one turned up even before burley was put in the water but then the sharks up here turn up behind the trawlers every night too.

southace
SA, 4762 posts
2 Mar 2013 10:22PM
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What we should do is wipe out every White pointer....then we wouldn't be having this thread. Or we could just stay out of the water like these guys below.

Razzonater
2224 posts
2 Mar 2013 8:47PM
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Excellent turtle hunter clearly an indication that 7 out of 8 sharks that do come to the cage diving are not researched or tracked and also have learnt habits such as boat motor off, feeding time....
It's unbelievable that these learned habits are encouraged.
Do not think this is an attack on you as a person.
To dive with a great white is no doubt on many people's bucket list.
And unfortunately this is completely unregulated and encouraged.
There are two distinct breeding grounds for great whites in Australia with scientific proof of genetic difference in DNA, meaning that these sharks are taking learned habits with them.
One is in south oz in close proximity to port Lincoln and the other is in wa I will not post specifics as this will only encourage 'punters' to mess with there already increasingly learned habits....

Ian K
WA, 4048 posts
2 Mar 2013 9:26PM
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DaylightDebt said...


If the lovely girl diving with them, however unlikely was killed accidentally by the fish would she be considered suicidal by society or just unlucky?


Just unlucky, if a shark decides to bite it doesn't make much difference if the person is 500 metres away or hanging off the fin, they'll get bitten. We've all probably been within 500 metres of a shark many times. For every time you see a shark a hundred or so detect you. I saw my first shark the other day, just about ran over it. He's probably seen me many times before, and he/she probably detected me blow the next half dozen gybes

TurtleHunter
WA, 1675 posts
3 Mar 2013 12:01PM
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Razzonater said...
Excellent turtle hunter clearly an indication that 7 out of 8 sharks that do come to the cage diving are not researched or tracked and also have learnt habits such as boat motor off, feeding time....
It's unbelievable that these learned habits are encouraged.
Do not think this is an attack on you as a person.
To dive with a great white is no doubt on many people's bucket list.
And unfortunately this is completely unregulated and encouraged.
There are two distinct breeding grounds for great whites in Australia with scientific proof of genetic difference in DNA, meaning that these sharks are taking learned habits with them.
One is in south oz in close proximity to port Lincoln and the other is in wa I will not post specifics as this will only encourage 'punters' to mess with there already increasingly learned habits....


It was one to tick off the bucket list although a few of the images in my head came back on the way home kiting the south coast.
Talking to the skipper it sounded very regulated with the sharks barely getting any food at all and it shows as the bigger sharks not spending any extra energy chasing the bait. As for them learning bad habits I see it as being similar to any fishing boat that has sharks follow (like trawlers) where the sharks know the sound of the individual boat not boats in general. There was a cray boat sitting at anchor near us with no signs of sharks around it.
It just seems like this opportunity to study them will be wasted but the govornment is willing to spend so much on helicopters searching the coast

FlySurfer
NSW, 4453 posts
3 Mar 2013 4:53PM
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FormulaNova said...
Yeah, just as cute as those nice lookin' grizzly bears.

I wonder if it would make a good pet?

Do they need much to eat?

Safe? Yeah, sure, as long as you treat it with respect




Most animals when NOT on the brink of starvation or defending their young or 1/2 scared to death we're going to kill them for a laugh are fairly tame.
Humans are by far the most dangerous of animals bcos they'll f@ck you over for fun.

FormulaNova
WA, 14438 posts
3 Mar 2013 2:49PM
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FlySurfer said...
FormulaNova said...
Yeah, just as cute as those nice lookin' grizzly bears.

I wonder if it would make a good pet?

Do they need much to eat?

Safe? Yeah, sure, as long as you treat it with respect




Most animals when NOT on the brink of starvation or defending their young or 1/2 scared to death we're going to kill them for a laugh are fairly tame.
Humans are by far the most dangerous of animals bcos they'll f@ck you over for fun.



Yeah, right! As if. Tame? Like natural selection created? Yeah, they are all living in a magical fairy kingdom, with free food and rainbows everywhere.



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