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Created by Bento > 9 months ago, 9 Dec 2013
Bento
WA, 74 posts
9 Dec 2013 8:34PM
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They say money doesn't buy happiness. You obviously need enough to get by and pay off the mortgage then have the toys and then the time to play with em. while keeping the mrs happy and get involved with the kids. So many people in my work are driven by dollars but they do it while sacrificing a life. It sucks being surrounded by money hungry people who are competing for coin. It's hard to ignore the rat race though, seeing colleagues earn twice my income(even though I earn enough). Best part of my day is going for a surf before work.

theDoctor
NSW, 5784 posts
9 Dec 2013 11:44PM
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Bento said..

It sucks being surrounded by money hungry people who are competing for coin.



so you ask how much do you earn...?

is that real irony or alanis morisette irony

GPA
WA, 2520 posts
9 Dec 2013 8:52PM
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I used to the chase the $... did well for a few years, then at 44yo realised that I no longer enjoyed what I was doing... so found something that I actually like - and although I took a substantial pay cut, I am happier and have less stress (although I am still in a very busy role).

I was once offered double my salary to move to Sydney to do the same job - just a much bigger role. Many of my mates and colleagues were stunned when I knocked it back. But to me, it would have been way to disruptive on the family, and there would have been little to no work life balance - plus it was a one-way ticket.

You only live once people...

Ted the Kiwi
NSW, 14256 posts
10 Dec 2013 12:56AM
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I hear ya GPA...i used to earn 3 times as much 5yrs ago......way more happy now and get to surf a lot.....miss the coin at times but more than happy with my present situation. Long May it continue.....the big smoke is always close by if I want to go back....as if London kills ya if u stay too long

Kozzie
QLD, 1451 posts
10 Dec 2013 12:15AM
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They say money doesn't buy happiness. You obviously need enough to get by and pay off the mortgage then have the toys and then the time to play with em. while keeping the mrs happy and get involved with the kids. So many people in my work are driven by dollars but they do it while sacrificing a life. It sucks being surrounded by money hungry people who are competing for coin. It's hard to ignore the rat race though, seeing colleagues earn twice my income(even though I earn enough). Best part of my day is going for a surf before work.


hahahahahah ohhhh boy

no mortgage means no need to work constantly meaning i have time to play with the toys. no mrs meaning even more money and time and no kids means holly **** i love my life.

so yeah we live in a country where today a guy under 25 told me he was on 90? $ an hour with not trade qualification something to do with mining. and here i am getting half that telling him how to fly a kite.

provided you dont have a family you dont need to buy a house and if you dont need to buy a house you can move around alot and if you can do that you dont have to work so much either because you can do stints of labour work for 6 months then live off the $$$ you saved for the next 6months playing with whatever toys it is your into.

now if you crunch the numbers you can figure out that that same 6 months worth work can get you by in any developing country where perfect conditions for your toys are for much much longer then in australia. instead of 6 months its more like 2 years. so work 6 months then have a 2 year holiday on tropical islands where money is the least of your worrys and youll have to many girls to think about having a wife or kids :D

or go the society standard meal deal get kids threw school divorce loose half your house work work till 60 sell assets buy a caravan and do the grey nomad rumble till you sell the caravan to pay for living in a retirement home pass away wondering why **** you didnt do more.


dinsdale
WA, 1227 posts
9 Dec 2013 10:46PM
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The problem with being in the rat race is, even if you win you're still a rat.

surfox
QLD, 39 posts
10 Dec 2013 12:46AM
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I know plenty of blokes in mining who earn a heap more than I do. Funny thing is none of them are any happier with their life than I am. Most are away from their family for half the year - it's not worth it to me.

sebol
WA, 753 posts
10 Dec 2013 1:27AM
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you don't get money thrown at you in mining you know, they work 12 hour shift for 14 days before an rdo.

name one person in town working this hard, you may actually make more cash than your mining buddies if you did so.
They deserve the cash and the toys.

I did my 2 years at various mine sites and saved a deposit for my house. Stopped when my baby daughter would not recognise me after my 6 weeks on roaster

Got a misses and it is actually quite nice to have someone you care for always by your side.

Got 3 girls and that is by a billion mile my biggest source of happiness

Oh and the house I bought for 135k is now worth 580k so I didn't do too bad out of the rat race

Now I try to work less and kite more

each to their own

pierrec45
NSW, 2005 posts
10 Dec 2013 5:38AM
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We are lucky to have 2 words in English for the concept of happiness.
Money may buy you happiness for a while, but it becomes a moving target.
Contentment, on the other hand, is a choice. You may review whether you are still 'content', but you never regret your previous contentment.

If the rat race is used to designate people making an honest living, working 9-5 then going home and enjoying the family, then it can't be that bad. I know very many people that are happy that way.

kiteboy dave
QLD, 6525 posts
10 Dec 2013 8:46AM
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sebol said..

you don't get money thrown at you in mining you know, they work 12 hour shift for 14 days before an rdo.

name one person in town working this hard, you may actually make more cash than your mining buddies if you did so.
They deserve the cash and the toys.

I did my 2 years at various mine sites and saved a deposit for my house. Stopped when my baby daughter would not recognise me after my 6 weeks on roaster

Got a misses and it is actually quite nice to have someone you care for always by your side.

Got 3 girls and that is by a billion mile my biggest source of happiness

Oh and the house I bought for 135k is now worth 580k so I didn't do too bad out of the rat race

Now I try to work less and kite more

each to their own


Wise words mate. Both your and Kozzie's paths are equally valid - whatever makes you happy.

Personally I think the key is balance.

I work 4 long days and then have 3 days off, living near beach and river, with my wife and son. I don't mind working 4 days a week, doesn't feel like 'rat race' to me - I'd be bored never working at all.

I have a big debt but I'm way in front of it, I could be outta work for 1-2 years and still pay the mortgage, so having that debt makes me feel richer not poorer because I have access to more money than I'd care to spend at record low interest rates.

As pierre said, I've had periods of being a travel bum, and even backpacking in exotic countries shagging foreign beauties long enough gets boring. You long for stability, roots, and building a future. The rat race has come about because it enables the most people to be the most happy. It's far from perfect but it's a decent compromise for most people.



myusernam
QLD, 6139 posts
10 Dec 2013 10:02AM
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No one on their deathbed wished they did extra shifts. If u got diagnosed with a terminal illness tomorrow would you say to yourself u had better put some extra hours in at work cos u don't have long left?! Money to a certain point doesn't change that much. If you earn double or even triple in a better job you might drive a better car and have a better house but u still only have 4 weeks a year holiday. U might stay in a better hotel on holiday and fly in a better class. So what. Of course this is just comparing a normal job to another. Its nice if you can be wealthy and dictate your own terms, just harder.

ok
NSW, 1088 posts
10 Dec 2013 11:25AM
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are you the tax man?

Kozzie
QLD, 1451 posts
10 Dec 2013 11:35AM
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ive worked both in mines and just in large scale civil construction as a **** kicker. i really do think that they DO throw money at you in the mines. the safety is bloody ridiculous you can spend half your work day doing paperwork and waiting around for **** to be signed off before you just get stuck in and do the work. with the large scale civil stuff (airports hotels hospitals shopping centres sewage plants etc etc) your under the pump difference is you get paid about 3/4 - 1/2 as much but you dont get drug tested (usually unless your building jails etc) and you get to knock off and drink till you forgot the day, after work. generally speaking your still being moved from site to site for both of them. the civil jobs tend to run for a year or 2 some blokes will move there family there most will just have to wait till long weekend then fly home and back. i grew up on construction sites and i know first hand what its like from both sides being the family and being the worker. it was common to only see my father every 3-6 months flights werent as cheap back then thats just how the game worked short of moving the kids onsite and having them live in dongas and sometimes if the jobs big enough they would even build little schools for the kids. at least with mining they get a full week with there family every month. i really think the mine workers dont have it anywhere near as tuff as non construction workers think. the office workers probably wouldnt last a week. but not many can. its the adjustment your body does that allows you to do it. ive never seen more unfit people in my life then on job sites. you just have to tuff it out for the first week or 2 then your body will be fine and easy to cope with its new routine. the works hard but the workers are lazy and useually borderline alcoholics. you tend to get the ones who work to drink. the ones who need the money for family/debts. the smart keen ones who are trying to run the show make there own business. and then you get a few pricks like me who are just there for enough $$$ to **** off and go live somewhere cheaper for ahwhile. the work camps are interesting usually filled with blokes who are crying into there beers cause there misses is cheating/divorceing or others angry complaining bout child support and a few who avoid socializing and just want to get there $$$ and get out they tend not to waste there $$$ on drinking etc and stay away from that whole trap.

anyways rabbiting on a bit basicly its pretty ****ing easy ****. ive seen people getting paid $60 an hour to hold shovels spotting diggers and even some on $70+ pushing brooms and moving cyclone fencing. that being said ive seen poor kids down holes by themselves in life threatening situations doing dumb **** for 20$ an hour id say average is 40$ (with holiday pay etc etc) for civil $70 (with holiday pay etc )for mine work and the mine works generally easier, and in some cases you get to see your family more often.

now i allso did work 12 storeys up in an office before all this with a suit and tie. the sheer office politics bull**** was so ****ing unbearable i chucked in my entire career and threw away all the years studying to get me there. i simply refuse to ever work in a ****ing office ever again. the job is bloody 30% work 70% greasing palms and patting backs and bitching behind them in same breath. half the ****ing ****heads in there spend all day trying to push there work load on others and then when it doesnt go there way they start rumours and make up bull**** there these obese disgusting creatures and within the small space of a year i nearly became one of them. working 14 hours a day trying to get all this work done for what? 25$ an hour at start? honestly working for large corporations is some the most sad sad **** i have ever come across i would never wish it apon anyone. there was guys in there who were TEMPS for 15 years!! same ****ing DESK!! and it would be PERFECT if you didnt have all these ****ing people trying to delegate all there work to everyone else. you have team leaders who have 0 experience in the actual tasks at hand. could you even imagine a foreman on a job who didnt know how the trade worked?!?! what a ****ing joke so there whole roll is to babysit everyone make sure ****s getting done. so ofcourse there the one the fat ****s who dont want to do any work make sure there best friends with and try to trick and keep in there pocket so they can get away without working. im talking people who hadnt done anywork in a week then claim they have to work from home cause there ill or mentally unstable then there next point of course is to try push it all on the other workers. but theres SO MANY people who do this it seams like every single floor had at least 3 of these people who just couldnt get fired cause they had HR by the balls because of some wierd **** so then its upto everyone else to pick up there slack ?!?! what the **** is this?!?! this isnt just from my experiences nearly everyone ive ever met who has worked in a large corporations office has same storeys and then you get some people who just cant be fired??!? so they just hire more people to fix the problem? it seems like they just want more and more and more staff lets just hire as many people as we can, how the hell is that a solution to anything? i understand it takes a little while to train a new person up to replace an old **** person but bloody REPLACE the **** staff dont let them sit there feeding off everyone else. if it was a small company the boss would hear about it sack the prick and get a new one, the sheer size of these company's the boss never even knows why he suddenly has 100 new staff this week and no one gives a personal **** what so ever aslong as there's more the merrier because there less likely to loose there jobs 2 years later when the situation gets rectified. the whole purpose of the large scale corporations offices even work is just to keep as many people under you as possible. all the HR **** everything i mean seriously i can not believe that that is what it is all about.


so in construction mine workers dont work as hard as you think. working civil doesnt necesarily let you spend time with the family and working for large corporations is the most horrible working environment for humans by a bloody LOOOOOOOONNNNG WAY (i honestly believe large corporations could halve there office workforce if everyone just did there job you could get rid of management hr and the other useless gits)

evlPanda
NSW, 9203 posts
10 Dec 2013 1:31PM
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GPA said..

I used to the chase the $... did well for a few years, then at 44yo realised that I no longer enjoyed what I was doing... so found something that I actually like - and although I took a substantial pay cut, I am happier and have ....



Ha ha haa ha haahaa... Tell my wife that story.

Air
QLD, 55 posts
10 Dec 2013 1:49PM
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subasurf
WA, 2154 posts
10 Dec 2013 12:45PM
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I earn a decent wage per hour but chose to only work a day or two a week.
I'm choosing an enjoyable lifestyle over earning big coin and I like it this way.

Sailhack
VIC, 5000 posts
10 Dec 2013 4:37PM
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My boss is a pr!ck and doesn't pay me near enough... then again I'm self employed so only myself to blame.

I prob should go back to work now (3.30pm here)... but I left my windsurfing gear on the ute and the cardboard box I live in is shaking from the wind.

TryPushHarder
QLD, 74 posts
22 Jan 2014 9:47PM
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I'm on tha dole n kite everyday it's windy! Hahaha yall pay me to kite ???? thanks heaps

TheWolf
SA, 247 posts
22 Jan 2014 10:54PM
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Any one who says you cannot buy happiness has never really tried ;)

hargs
QLD, 634 posts
22 Jan 2014 10:35PM
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I work a 7 day fortnight. Live at the beach in a modest beach shack. Could earn way more coin if I wanted to, but love the time on the water and seeing my little fellah grow up. It's all about a good life/work balance.

needsalt
NSW, 380 posts
22 Jan 2014 11:52PM
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So I've never believed in $$. But I grew up believing in doing something that you believe in - a career that is fulfilling and makes you happy. I also believed in love, soul mates, and two people striving to make each other happy. And family - that family members stand by each other. I've come to accept that all these things are a heap of crap. But how do you stop your heart aching for those things and feeling empty without them? In a world where the bulk of the population are flat out being safe and fed with a roof over their head, how selfish and ungrateful am I for feeling empty and wanting for anything? First world problems? How can I kill the ache for some great fulfilment and just be grateful to be alive?

theDoctor
NSW, 5784 posts
23 Jan 2014 12:31AM
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heroin

hamburglar
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23 Jan 2014 12:46AM
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heroin

spliff

hamburglar
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23 Jan 2014 12:50AM
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Kozzie said...
ive worked both in mines and just in large scale civil construction as a **** kicker. i really do think that they DO throw money at you in the mines. the safety is bloody ridiculous you can spend half your work day doing paperwork and waiting around for **** to be signed off before you just get stuck in and do the work. with the large scale civil stuff (airports hotels hospitals shopping centres sewage plants etc etc) your under the pump difference is you get paid about 3/4 - 1/2 as much but you dont get drug tested (usually unless your building jails etc) and you get to knock off and drink till you forgot the day, after work. generally speaking your still being moved from site to site for both of them. the civil jobs tend to run for a year or 2 some blokes will move there family there most will just have to wait till long weekend then fly home and back. i grew up on construction sites and i know first hand what its like from both sides being the family and being the worker. it was common to only see my father every 3-6 months flights werent as cheap back then thats just how the game worked short of moving the kids onsite and having them live in dongas and sometimes if the jobs big enough they would even build little schools for the kids. at least with mining they get a full week with there family every month. i really think the mine workers dont have it anywhere near as tuff as non construction workers think. the office workers probably wouldnt last a week. but not many can. its the adjustment your body does that allows you to do it. ive never seen more unfit people in my life then on job sites. you just have to tuff it out for the first week or 2 then your body will be fine and easy to cope with its new routine. the works hard but the workers are lazy and useually borderline alcoholics. you tend to get the ones who work to drink. the ones who need the money for family/debts. the smart keen ones who are trying to run the show make there own business. and then you get a few pricks like me who are just there for enough $$$ to **** off and go live somewhere cheaper for ahwhile. the work camps are interesting usually filled with blokes who are crying into there beers cause there misses is cheating/divorceing or others angry complaining bout child support and a few who avoid socializing and just want to get there $$$ and get out they tend not to waste there $$$ on drinking etc and stay away from that whole trap.

anyways rabbiting on a bit basicly its pretty ****ing easy ****. ive seen people getting paid $60 an hour to hold shovels spotting diggers and even some on $70+ pushing brooms and moving cyclone fencing. that being said ive seen poor kids down holes by themselves in life threatening situations doing dumb **** for 20$ an hour id say average is 40$ (with holiday pay etc etc) for civil $70 (with holiday pay etc )for mine work and the mine works generally easier, and in some cases you get to see your family more often.

now i allso did work 12 storeys up in an office before all this with a suit and tie. the sheer office politics bull**** was so ****ing unbearable i chucked in my entire career and threw away all the years studying to get me there. i simply refuse to ever work in a ****ing office ever again. the job is bloody 30% work 70% greasing palms and patting backs and bitching behind them in same breath. half the ****ing ****heads in there spend all day trying to push there work load on others and then when it doesnt go there way they start rumours and make up bull**** there these obese disgusting creatures and within the small space of a year i nearly became one of them. working 14 hours a day trying to get all this work done for what? 25$ an hour at start? honestly working for large corporations is some the most sad sad **** i have ever come across i would never wish it apon anyone. there was guys in there who were TEMPS for 15 years!! same ****ing DESK!! and it would be PERFECT if you didnt have all these ****ing people trying to delegate all there work to everyone else. you have team leaders who have 0 experience in the actual tasks at hand. could you even imagine a foreman on a job who didnt know how the trade worked?!?! what a ****ing joke so there whole roll is to babysit everyone make sure ****s getting done. so ofcourse there the one the fat ****s who dont want to do any work make sure there best friends with and try to trick and keep in there pocket so they can get away without working. im talking people who hadnt done anywork in a week then claim they have to work from home cause there ill or mentally unstable then there next point of course is to try push it all on the other workers. but theres SO MANY people who do this it seams like every single floor had at least 3 of these people who just couldnt get fired cause they had HR by the balls because of some wierd **** so then its upto everyone else to pick up there slack ?!?! what the **** is this?!?! this isnt just from my experiences nearly everyone ive ever met who has worked in a large corporations office has same storeys and then you get some people who just cant be fired??!? so they just hire more people to fix the problem? it seems like they just want more and more and more staff lets just hire as many people as we can, how the hell is that a solution to anything? i understand it takes a little while to train a new person up to replace an old **** person but bloody REPLACE the **** staff dont let them sit there feeding off everyone else. if it was a small company the boss would hear about it sack the prick and get a new one, the sheer size of these company's the boss never even knows why he suddenly has 100 new staff this week and no one gives a personal **** what so ever aslong as there's more the merrier because there less likely to loose there jobs 2 years later when the situation gets rectified. the whole purpose of the large scale corporations offices even work is just to keep as many people under you as possible. all the HR **** everything i mean seriously i can not believe that that is what it is all about.


so in construction mine workers dont work as hard as you think. working civil doesnt necesarily let you spend time with the family and working for large corporations is the most horrible working environment for humans by a bloody LOOOOOOOONNNNG WAY (i honestly believe large corporations could halve there office workforce if everyone just did there job you could get rid of management hr and the other useless gits)

get a job in HR! be part of the solution not the problem


TryPushHarder
QLD, 74 posts
23 Jan 2014 12:09AM
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heroin

Every doctors solution haha

Ados
WA, 421 posts
22 Jan 2014 11:00PM
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subasurf said..

I earn a decent wage per hour but chose to only work a day or two a week.
I'm choosing an enjoyable lifestyle over earning big coin and I like it this way.


do you live on baked beans?

Saffer
VIC, 4501 posts
23 Jan 2014 8:34AM
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Bento said...
[br]They say money doesn't buy happiness. You obviously need enough to get by and pay off the mortgage then have the toys and then the time to play with em. while keeping the mrs happy and get involved with the kids.


You'll never have all of that. The more you earn, the bigger your house and the more debt.

Bonominator
VIC, 5477 posts
23 Jan 2014 9:45AM
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Not enough but at least, I have my own business and I love my profession, I live next to the beach in a bushland setting almost an hour from the rat race, my clients are all good honest hardworking local people instead of city people trying to outdo their neighbours. I get to make people's lives better and help make them happier.

I don't even have a mortgage!

Ahh the bliss.

62mac
WA, 24860 posts
23 Jan 2014 6:55AM
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If you watch Wolf On Wall Street that will give you some idea.

Tux
VIC, 3829 posts
23 Jan 2014 9:58AM
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I live a bit over an hour from melbourne 300 meters from the beach and work from home two days out of 5...I think I am on pretty decent coin, get to sapaned heaps of time with my family in an amazing beach lifestyle....sometimes I am blown away by just how amazing my life has tuned out...life is what you make of it

stuk
NSW, 893 posts
23 Jan 2014 9:59AM
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Life isn't a dress rehearsal.



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