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Created by K Dog > 9 months ago, 23 Apr 2013
Macroscien
QLD, 6806 posts
24 Apr 2013 10:27PM
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FormulaNova said...

Why would you want to do this anyway?

There are coming ( immigrants ) here at the rate 1 million in 3 years anyway.
We shouldn't pack all to Melbourne and Sydney blocks into $500.000 apartments.

In standard physical world any gradient becomes naturally dispersed, equalized.
Here by unknown anomaly all concentrate in few monster city centers.

Sailhack
VIC, 5000 posts
24 Apr 2013 11:27PM
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Macroscien said...
myusernam said...
Hows that magnificent catamaran going?

a bit delay due to even craziest project.
I bought this aluminium house boat 9 meters long by 3.6 meters and 10 kw electric motor 48V taken from forklift...
but that is indeed beyond my means ( to finish it out) so I need to get rid or sink it


At least my houseboat fit nicely under our topic subject here. How to sink a real estate


If only you lived closer! I'm looking for a small work barge for working on piling and renovating boat sheds in a local river...

tgladman
WA, 500 posts
24 Apr 2013 9:29PM
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Cassa said...
tgladman said...
Because wa has a double brick mindset instilled in it by decades of money hungry brick suppliers. This will change over the next decade with energy ratings increasing rapidly and a shift toward greener building driven by legislation.
dmitri said...
i am not complaining about very expensive RE, but

how come they build solid double brick houses in wa when in victoria they build $hity boxes made of ticky tacky and the prices pretty much the same !

that is the weirdest thing about the australian housing that i can't comprehend.







Neither, I think you might find that it might have something to do with the type of land that they build on.
WA- sandy soil
Vic-more clay content than sand.


Negative. Sandy conditions that we have here in Western Australia are some
Of the best conditions for building and construction in the world. Our choice of construction methods aren't
Influenced by soil classification but by reasons outlined in my first post.

Macroscien
QLD, 6806 posts
25 Apr 2013 12:19AM
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Sailhack said...
Macroscien said...
myusernam said...
Hows that magnificent catamaran going?

a bit delay due to even craziest project.
I bought this aluminium house boat 9 meters long by 3.6 meters and 10 kw electric motor 48V taken from forklift...
but that is indeed beyond my means ( to finish it out) so I need to get rid or sink it


At least my houseboat fit nicely under our topic subject here. How to sink a real estate


If only you lived closer! I'm looking for a small work barge for working on piling and renovating boat sheds in a local river...


That was my one day brilliant idea to make a floating watersport hire boat here on Gold Coast.
Pack that boat with kayaks, windsurfers and kites, land on the beach and rent all that gear per hours for turist,.
I still think that is great idea as million of tourists are bored here walking between sea zoo and shopping centre without a chance to have a fun on the water !
Somehow I lost enthusiasm to the project due to RED TAPE

Beaglebuddy
1595 posts
25 Apr 2013 5:06AM
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This my friends is unequivocally a bubble.

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
25 Apr 2013 7:28AM
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Beaglebuddy said...
This my friends is unequivocally a bubble.




The market seems fairly solid here. Plenty of buyers, especially from overseas. Though who knows? Maybe you will be able to buy a three bedroom terrace house for $200k in Paddington next year.

I have no doubt some house prices here are way out of line. For example where I come from the average house price is getting ov $250k. This is despite the area having very low income, around $20k per annum on average.

FormulaNova
WA, 14727 posts
25 Apr 2013 6:23AM
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Mobydisc said...


The market seems fairly solid here. Plenty of buyers, especially from overseas. Though who knows? Maybe you will be able to buy a three bedroom terrace house for $200k in Paddington next year.

I have no doubt some house prices here are way out of line. For example where I come from the average house price is getting ov $250k. This is despite the area having very low income, around $20k per annum on average.



I noticed during what seemed the peak of demand, that coastal holiday houses went crazy in price. It's like everyone thought they could buy their ideal holiday home when things looked good, despite the ROI being poor. A place I like to sail had prices going much higher than I thought they were worth.

Now, the area looks like a sea of for-sale signs. I think people have figured they should sell, too late, or people have decided it made no sense and wanted to get out.

This is very different to the cities where people actually need to live so that they can get to their jobs.

Beaglebuddy
1595 posts
25 Apr 2013 9:28AM
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FormulaNova said...
Mobydisc said...


The market seems fairly solid here. Plenty of buyers, especially from overseas. Though who knows? Maybe you will be able to buy a three bedroom terrace house for $200k in Paddington next year.

I have no doubt some house prices here are way out of line. For example where I come from the average house price is getting ov $250k. This is despite the area having very low income, around $20k per annum on average.



I noticed during what seemed the peak of demand, that coastal holiday houses went crazy in price. It's like everyone thought they could buy their ideal holiday home when things looked good, despite the ROI being poor. A place I like to sail had prices going much higher than I thought they were worth.

Now, the area looks like a sea of for-sale signs. I think people have figured they should sell, too late, or people have decided it made no sense and wanted to get out.

This is very different to the cities where people actually need to live so that they can get to their jobs.




This how it started here, first vacation homes were being sold in a hurry and prices in these outlying areas began to decline. Then homes in less desirable area started to decline. The last to decline are homes close to where the jobs are.
It's quite scary that many of the things being said on this forum are the same things I heard about 6 years ago when we were at our peak.
Acknowledging that the homes are overpriced but attempting to reason (hoping) that the prices will just level off a bit or stop rising so dramatically.
Well this is not likely to be the case. All bubbles must deflate, they always do!
When prices start to decline people will stop buying until the prices stabilize, but as people do not buy the prices continue to decline and then it snowballs in a panic. There is a real snowball rolling down a hill effect as builders will stop building and all the people associated with the building trade from tradesmen, suppliers, realtors etc.. will start to get laid off and will then no longer be able to afford their overly expensive mortgage and be forced to sell which further drives down prices.
Eventually it trickles up and down and effects the whole economy as people become scared and stop spending anymore money than they have to on everything.
Australia could be entering into a perfect storm scenario as recently the Chinese economy has been slowing down because the worldwide demand for their goods has declined, if they slow the importing of minerals from Australia that could cause layoffs at the mines which will leave people unable to afford expensive mortgages etc...

Cassa
WA, 1305 posts
25 Apr 2013 9:52AM
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tgladman said...
Cassa said...
tgladman said...
Because wa has a double brick mindset instilled in it by decades of money hungry brick suppliers. This will change over the next decade with energy ratings increasing rapidly and a shift toward greener building driven by legislation.
dmitri said...
i am not complaining about very expensive RE, but

how come they build solid double brick houses in wa when in victoria they build $hity boxes made of ticky tacky and the prices pretty much the same !

that is the weirdest thing about the australian housing that i can't comprehend.







Neither, I think you might find that it might have something to do with the type of land that they build on.
WA- sandy soil
Vic-more clay content than sand.


Negative. Sandy conditions that we have here in Western Australia are some
Of the best conditions for building and construction in the world. Our choice of construction methods aren't
Influenced by soil classification but by reasons outlined in my first post.


Class and Foundation (ground type)
•A - Mostly made up of sand and rock and has very little change when wet.
•S - Slightly reactive clay in the soil with only slight movement due to moisture.
•M - Moderately reactive clay with moderate movement due to moisture.
•H - Highly reactive clay site with High ground movement.
•E - Extremely reactive site with extreme movement due to moisture.
•P - Soft soils, land slip, mine subsidence, etc. Collapsing soils due to moisture and soil structure changes.


During my studies for Builders Regisration ,we were taught that these soil types dictated the reasons for the difference in building methods between WA and Eastern States, (single brick or double brick).
Maybe the teachings for builders registration are wrong
Maybe not

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
25 Apr 2013 12:01PM
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Yeah it might happen. However the doomsayers have been singing the same tune for close to a decade. So its becoming the boy who cried wolf. If I had listened to the doomsayers I'd have a net worth of a few hundred thousand dollars less than I do now. Who knows, I along with millions of other Aussies may be broke next year. If that is the case then sure I should have sold up before the crash.

People talk about how China is coming off the boil and demand for Australian exports (ie stuff dug out of the ground) will fall away. This may or may not be the case. Most probably it won't be the case. In any event only a very small number of Australians are involved with export oriented industries and the benefits of these industries are not felt by many in Australia. If the whole export shop shut down it would not effect many Australians. Sure there will be knock on effects but in the meantime people would do something else to make money.

One thing I notice is the large number of people moving to Australia. I meet them at work, socially and through recreation. They come here with skills and money. Some Australians complain about it, saying they are taking "our jobs"

tgladman
WA, 500 posts
25 Apr 2013 10:14AM
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Cassa said...
tgladman said...
Cassa said...
tgladman said...
Because wa has a double brick mindset instilled in it by decades of money hungry brick suppliers. This will change over the next decade with energy ratings increasing rapidly and a shift toward greener building driven by legislation.
dmitri said...
i am not complaining about very expensive RE, but

how come they build solid double brick houses in wa when in victoria they build $hity boxes made of ticky tacky and the prices pretty much the same !

that is the weirdest thing about the australian housing that i can't comprehend.







Neither, I think you might find that it might have something to do with the type of land that they build on.
WA- sandy soil
Vic-more clay content than sand.


Negative. Sandy conditions that we have here in Western Australia are some
Of the best conditions for building and construction in the world. Our choice of construction methods aren't
Influenced by soil classification but by reasons outlined in my first post.


Class and Foundation (ground type)
•A - Mostly made up of sand and rock and has very little change when wet.
•S - Slightly reactive clay in the soil with only slight movement due to moisture.
•M - Moderately reactive clay with moderate movement due to moisture.
•H - Highly reactive clay site with High ground movement.
•E - Extremely reactive site with extreme movement due to moisture.
•P - Soft soils, land slip, mine subsidence, etc. Collapsing soils due to moisture and soil structure changes.


During my studies for Builders Regisration ,we were taught that these soil types dictated the reasons for the difference in building methods between WA and Eastern States, (single brick or double brick).
Maybe the teachings for builders registration are wrong
Maybe not


Once you have an established footing, slab or any other foundation for that matter you can build whatever you like on top of it. You could use cardboard if you like. Soil classification and condition has absolutely no dictation over they "type" of construction method used.
As I said in my first post, double brick methods have been instilled in the minds of west Australians over decades driven by money hungry brick suppliers.
There is absolutely no NEED to build double brick homes here or anywhere for that matter. Bricks have one of THE WORST thermal co-efficients of all building products.
Things will change in time tho.
Whoever taught you that we MUST build double brick houses here in perth because of our soil conditions is probably obtaining financial gain through brick supply. That, or they genuinely didn't know what they were talking about.

Macroscien
QLD, 6806 posts
25 Apr 2013 12:43PM
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Beaglebuddy said...
This my friends is unequivocally a bubble.



Similar chart should be then drawn for all other markets: Hong Kong, Singapore, Dubai, etc
NZ, then if all this bubbles burst simultaneously that is very scary.
But in fact money released from real estate should land somewhere else with the benefit to the country as whole.
Definitely there are old investors in US that lost money but all new entrants should benefit from now on low estate prices.

dirtyharry
WA, 444 posts
25 Apr 2013 11:45AM
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kiteboy dave said...
Dirtyharry got confused and posted from the "Solar Farms" thread? Macro didn't notice and answered.


Nope, if you read back through you'll see that the solar farms thread was a spin-off from this one. It didn't exist when I posted.

Just sayin'

Cassa
WA, 1305 posts
26 Apr 2013 8:52AM
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tgladman said...
Cassa said...
tgladman said...
Cassa said...
tgladman said...
Because wa has a double brick mindset instilled in it by decades of money hungry brick suppliers. This will change over the next decade with energy ratings increasing rapidly and a shift toward greener building driven by legislation.
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dmitri said...
i am not complaining about very expensive RE, but

how come they build solid double brick houses in wa when in victoria they build $hity boxes made of ticky tacky and the prices pretty much the same !

that is the weirdest thing about the australian housing that i can't comprehend.







Neither, I think you might find that it might have something to do with the type of land that they build on.
WA- sandy soil
Vic-more clay content than sand.


Negative. Sandy conditions that we have here in Western Australia are some
Of the best conditions for building and construction in the world. Our choice of construction methods aren't
Influenced by soil classification but by reasons outlined in my first post.


Class and Foundation (ground type)
•A - Mostly made up of sand and rock and has very little change when wet.
•S - Slightly reactive clay in the soil with only slight movement due to moisture.
•M - Moderately reactive clay with moderate movement due to moisture.
•H - Highly reactive clay site with High ground movement.
•E - Extremely reactive site with extreme movement due to moisture.
•P - Soft soils, land slip, mine subsidence, etc. Collapsing soils due to moisture and soil structure changes.


During my studies for Builders Regisration ,we were taught that these soil types dictated the reasons for the difference in building methods between WA and Eastern States, (single brick or double brick).
Maybe the teachings for builders registration are wrong
Maybe not


Once you have an established footing, slab or any other foundation for that matter you can build whatever you like on top of it. You could use cardboard if you like. Soil classification and condition has absolutely no dictation over they "type" of construction method used.

Correct- once you have established the footing and TYPE of slab construction you can build on it.
We were held up on the brickwork on a house to be built on the canals in Mandurah 2 yrs ago due to the fact that the supervisor or concretor ,overlooked the fact that it had to have pier and beam style of slab , to accomadate the fact that there was a HIGH CLAY content in the soil.
The slab was removed after the council became involved (due to the owners knowledge of the CORRECT method of slab construction in this type of soil), it was then put in correctly.
The house I have just built in Exmouth , had to have OVERSIZE footings , due to TYPE of soil conditions it was to be built on, an extra 3 cubic metre's of concrete. The swimming pool had to have cantelevered footings DUE TO THE SOIL conditions.


1- Shallows Foundations

Shallow foundations are those founded near to the finished ground surface; generally where the founding depth (Df) is less than the width of the footing and less than 3m. These are not strict rules, but merely guidelines: basically, if surface loading or other surface conditions will affect the bearing capacity of a foundation it is 'shallow'

Shallows foundations are used when surface soils are sufficiently strong and stiff to support the imposed loads; they are generally unsuitable in weak or highly compressible soils, such as poorly-compacted fill, peat, recent lacustrine and alluvial deposits


2- Deep Foundations

Deep foundations are those founding too deeply below the finished ground surface for their base bearing capacity to be affected by surface conditions, this is usually at depths >3 m below finished ground level. Deep foundations can be used to transfer the loading to a deeper, more competent strata at depth if unsuitable soils are present near the surface.

Deep foundations are used when there are weak (“bad”) soils near the surface or when loads are very high, such as very large skyscrapers.

Deep foundations derive their support from deeper soils or bedrock

Common Types of Deep Foundations are :

1. Pile foundations

are relatively long, slender members that transmit foundation loads through soil strata of low bearing capacity to deeper soil or rock strata having a high bearing capacity. They are used when for economic, constructional or soil condition considerations it is desirable to transmit loads to strata beyond the practical reach of shallow foundations. In addition to supporting structures, piles are also used to anchor structures against uplift forces and to assist structures in resisting lateral and overturning forces.

are thick slabs used to tie a group of piles together to support and transmit column loads to the piles.


Hope this clears up your ideas on soil classification,because it does dictate the type of construction.
Well that's my 32 years worth!

FormulaNova
WA, 14727 posts
26 Apr 2013 10:49AM
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Cassa said...

Hope this clears up your ideas on soil classification,because it does dictate the type of construction.
Well that's my 32 years worth!


As an interested observer, doesn't this just dictate the type and depth of footings, not the actual construction method for the rest of the house?

So, you could build double brick or lightweight timber-framed, as long as the foundations are correct for the soil type? I think the original question was about why WA seems to have a preoccupation with double-brick, yet other places don't seem to.


P.S. Cassa, I think your quoting of the text is a bit mixed up.

the gibbo
WA, 776 posts
26 Apr 2013 12:15PM
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I have been a builder for a few years. You all have valid points in this hijacked thread.

There is defo relationship between soil type(foundation) and footing(concrete) due to differential movement of different soils classes, mainly due to drainage and rainfall and the ability of the structure to react/not react to heave(in wet) and shrink(dry).

That said you can build most/if not all types of buildings in the WA sand pit.
The main reason for double brick construction, was, so i have been told, the power of the brick companies in early mass expansion of Perth and their involvement with the governments at the time who were willing to push their case.

We have done brick/timber comparison costing for homes/extensions in WA and there is little or no difference in cost, surprisingly. A large part is the cost of new home is Govt taxes, i am not sure exactly but it is around the 40% mark.

So ; you work earn money pay tax on it, you buy land you pay tax on it, you build a house you pay alot of tax on it, you sell it to buy bigger house to fit the tin lids in you pay more tax on it, fun isnt it

The Gov. is wholly and solely to blame for the high cost of new homes(not existing ones/demand), its not the builders, margins are actually quite low 4-7% new homes. Lack of land released by the gov. is a huge issue, this is mainly done by private entities therefore they need to make money.
If the Gov could organise a piss up in a brewery the problem would be solved.

Cambodge
VIC, 851 posts
26 Apr 2013 2:53PM
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the gibbo said...

If the Gov could organise a piss up in a brewery the problem would be solved.


If the Gov could organise a piss up in a brewery then we'd all be in big trouble 'cos all Governments' crazy ideas and plans would actually be achieved! Much safer to have Governments bumbling along not causing TOO much trouble and avoiding the extremes of ideology!

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
26 Apr 2013 3:49PM
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My dad was a bricklayer who became a builder, so I'm biased towards double brick homes. Layed his last brick to finish off a retaining wall at his home two months ago. He is dying now.

Double brick homes are quieter and have better insulative properties in my experience compared to brick veneer or other houses built with timber frames. I love double brick construction. It feels solid. You can hang a painting anywhere you like inside. Hang your TV anywhere you like.

dmitri
VIC, 1040 posts
26 Apr 2013 4:08PM
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i traveled few times around wa. that's how i got converted into masonry.
apparently greedy brick suppliers in the west got more power messing up with my mind over the power of greedy timber frames suppliers in the east.
wouldn't it be nice for average buyer with huge lifetime mortgage to have a choice pick up own preference.

Macroscien
QLD, 6806 posts
26 Apr 2013 4:29PM
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I like steel frame homes. Easy and quick to setup. Light an d strong. Cheap but last.

the gibbo
WA, 776 posts
26 Apr 2013 3:59PM
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Sad about your Dad Moby, i don't envy bricklayers, bloody hard job, tuff blokes in tough conditions in WA.

Reverse brick veneer, with the right orientation and glazing is the most thermally efficient standard form of construction available, but we dont do that here(WA) at all, Ive never built one in 15 years. Steel is great, the way they build up north is good/quick/last's.
Have a great weekend all procrastinators, if i spent less time on here, i would pay my mortgage of faster.

Cassa
WA, 1305 posts
26 Apr 2013 6:55PM
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the gibbo said...
Sad about your Dad Moby, i don't envy bricklayers, bloody hard job, tuff blokes in tough conditions in WA.

Reverse brick veneer, with the right orientation and glazing is the most thermally efficient standard form of construction available, but we dont do that here(WA) at all, Ive never built one in 15 years. Steel is great, the way they build up north is good/quick/last's.
Have a great weekend all procrastinators, if i spent less time on here, i would pay my mortgage of faster.


+1 , steel is great , stronger , thermaly better, easier on the body to build, But I still got a lota mud under it!

tgladman
WA, 500 posts
26 Apr 2013 9:19PM
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Cassa said...
tgladman said...
Cassa said...
tgladman said...
Cassa said...
tgladman said...
Because wa has a double brick mindset instilled in it by decades of money hungry brick suppliers. This will change over the next decade with energy ratings increasing rapidly and a shift toward greener building driven by legislation.
Select to expand quote
dmitri said...
i am not complaining about very expensive RE, but

how come they build solid double brick houses in wa when in victoria they build $hity boxes made of ticky tacky and the prices pretty much the same !

that is the weirdest thing about the australian housing that i can't comprehend.







Neither, I think you might find that it might have something to do with the type of land that they build on.
WA- sandy soil
Vic-more clay content than sand.


Negative. Sandy conditions that we have here in Western Australia are some
Of the best conditions for building and construction in the world. Our choice of construction methods aren't
Influenced by soil classification but by reasons outlined in my first post.


Class and Foundation (ground type)
•A - Mostly made up of sand and rock and has very little change when wet.
•S - Slightly reactive clay in the soil with only slight movement due to moisture.
•M - Moderately reactive clay with moderate movement due to moisture.
•H - Highly reactive clay site with High ground movement.
•E - Extremely reactive site with extreme movement due to moisture.
•P - Soft soils, land slip, mine subsidence, etc. Collapsing soils due to moisture and soil structure changes.


During my studies for Builders Regisration ,we were taught that these soil types dictated the reasons for the difference in building methods between WA and Eastern States, (single brick or double brick).
Maybe the teachings for builders registration are wrong
Maybe not


Once you have an established footing, slab or any other foundation for that matter you can build whatever you like on top of it. You could use cardboard if you like. Soil classification and condition has absolutely no dictation over they "type" of construction method used.

Correct- once you have established the footing and TYPE of slab construction you can build on it.
We were held up on the brickwork on a house to be built on the canals in Mandurah 2 yrs ago due to the fact that the supervisor or concretor ,overlooked the fact that it had to have pier and beam style of slab , to accomadate the fact that there was a HIGH CLAY content in the soil.
The slab was removed after the council became involved (due to the owners knowledge of the CORRECT method of slab construction in this type of soil), it was then put in correctly.
The house I have just built in Exmouth , had to have OVERSIZE footings , due to TYPE of soil conditions it was to be built on, an extra 3 cubic metre's of concrete. The swimming pool had to have cantelevered footings DUE TO THE SOIL conditions.


1- Shallows Foundations

Shallow foundations are those founded near to the finished ground surface; generally where the founding depth (Df) is less than the width of the footing and less than 3m. These are not strict rules, but merely guidelines: basically, if surface loading or other surface conditions will affect the bearing capacity of a foundation it is 'shallow'

Shallows foundations are used when surface soils are sufficiently strong and stiff to support the imposed loads; they are generally unsuitable in weak or highly compressible soils, such as poorly-compacted fill, peat, recent lacustrine and alluvial deposits


2- Deep Foundations

Deep foundations are those founding too deeply below the finished ground surface for their base bearing capacity to be affected by surface conditions, this is usually at depths >3 m below finished ground level. Deep foundations can be used to transfer the loading to a deeper, more competent strata at depth if unsuitable soils are present near the surface.

Deep foundations are used when there are weak (“bad”) soils near the surface or when loads are very high, such as very large skyscrapers.

Deep foundations derive their support from deeper soils or bedrock

Common Types of Deep Foundations are :

1. Pile foundations

are relatively long, slender members that transmit foundation loads through soil strata of low bearing capacity to deeper soil or rock strata having a high bearing capacity. They are used when for economic, constructional or soil condition considerations it is desirable to transmit loads to strata beyond the practical reach of shallow foundations. In addition to supporting structures, piles are also used to anchor structures against uplift forces and to assist structures in resisting lateral and overturning forces.

are thick slabs used to tie a group of piles together to support and transmit column loads to the piles.


Hope this clears up your ideas on soil classification,because it does dictate the type of construction.
Well that's my 32 years worth!

Thanks for your insight cassa, but quoting soil classification codes and footing types dont support your arguement unfortunately so I shall have to disagree with you.
As formula nova has pointed out,
Soil classification ONLY DICTATES FOUNDATION TYPE not the type of construction used in the rest of the construction process. The original question was "why do they build double brick houses in wa and brick veneer in the east?" And I'm afraid your suggestion of soil type is incorrect. This is not one of the factors that influence this method.

Maybe you have your wires crossed in the point being made?

tgladman
WA, 500 posts
26 Apr 2013 9:26PM
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the gibbo said...
Sad about your Dad Moby, i don't envy bricklayers, bloody hard job, tuff blokes in tough conditions in WA.

Reverse brick veneer, with the right orientation and glazing is the most thermally efficient standard form of construction available, but we dont do that here(WA) at all, Ive never built one in 15 years. Steel is great, the way they build up north is good/quick/last's.
Have a great weekend all procrastinators, if i spent less time on here, i would pay my mortgage of faster.


Spot on gibbo. Wa will eventually come round to sustainable green building methods. It will take a while but the cost will reduce and society will see the benefits.
Honestly can't believe double glazing isn't a standard here yet. Obviously cause of the cost.
There are many new innovative products coming through which is exciting.

Mr. No-one
WA, 921 posts
26 Apr 2013 10:59PM
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I was a chippy over east before coming to WA to sail and noticed the price of timber was a lot more expensive here. I think the brick suppliers have everyone here falsely scared of white ants to maintain their monopoly. Sand foundations are the best for any house, self draining and don't sink so just as well suited for brick veneer houses as double brick.
BV homes insulate better, especially with batts in the walls (often done by the owners before the Gyprock), using prefab pine truss roofs mean internal pine frame walls are non load bearing so walls and doorways can be shifted, deleted or added with basic skills without using a brick saw, and expensive contractors for the most of it.
DB is the most fire resistant and you may be surprised to learn steel frame is the worst. Why you ask, steel is more likely to have an electrical fire then conducts the heat through the whole structure and can't be stopped, can't water a steel fire or it goes up quicker so just sit back and watch it burn. At least timber can be stopped. Treat a BV home and white ants aren't a problem.
So with the lack of qualified framers, expensive timber, scare mongering of white ants, tones of brick layers which are probably the best in the country anyway and peoples mind set it's no wonder DB is king here but I still prefer BV any day even though I no longer build.

cisco
QLD, 12337 posts
27 Apr 2013 1:01AM
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K Dog said...

Houses are now worth 2-3 times your income like in the eighties.

What are you now going to do with your free time now your house is paid off quicker?

Good!


Go sailing of course. What else could be so challenging, enjoyable, educational, healthy and culturally enriching??

I thought everybody here knew that the only real benefit of ownership of real estate is to fund your sailing activities.

Ya got to get ya priorities in the correct order.

Luma
WA, 169 posts
27 Apr 2013 12:50PM
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cisco said...
K Dog said...

Houses are now worth 2-3 times your income like in the eighties.

What are you now going to do with your free time now your house is paid off quicker?

Good!


Go sailing of course. What else could be so challenging, enjoyable, educational, healthy and culturally enriching??

I thought everybody here knew that the only real benefit of ownership of real estate is to fund your sailing activities.

Ya got to get ya priorities in the correct order.


So that is what we are doing. Selling up - cashing in - buying a yacht and sailing the world

Beaglebuddy
1595 posts
27 Apr 2013 2:31PM
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By all means sell.
When we were in our housing bubble the last thing anyone ever wanted to talk about was "if we were in a bubble" the subject was avoided just like it's being avoided here on this forum.
Instead everyone wanted to talk about how rich they were getting and what on earth were they going to do with all this money.
Looking back on it now of course it was too good to be true.
The frustrating part about it is that if we had just listened and done a little research the outcome would have been obvious but we were in denial.
If we had sold at the top we WOULD be rich.

Harrow
NSW, 4521 posts
27 Apr 2013 5:05PM
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K Dog said...

Houses are now worth 2-3 times your income like in the eighties.

What are you now going to do with your free time now your house is paid off quicker?

Good!


I'm a degree qualified engineer in a senior position (ie. I earn a reasonably good salary) and houses where I live are worth 7-10 times my annual salary. I can only guess you are not talking about Sydney?

kato
VIC, 3403 posts
27 Apr 2013 5:19PM
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Macroscien said...
I like steel frame homes. Easy and quick to setup. Light an d strong. Cheap but last.



and as an ex chippy its horrible to work with ,cost more to insure and rusts instead Won,t burn but the house is a right off as the frame deforms under heat.
Great for commercial work though



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