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Invisible children

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Created by elbeau > 9 months ago, 7 Mar 2012
elbeau
WA, 986 posts
7 Mar 2012 9:24PM
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This is riveting, brilliant and groundbreaking.

I hope this is our future.

People that love and care ganging up on the evil bullies and en masse bringing them to

book.

www.causes.com/invisiblechildren

Green Cherub
WA, 296 posts
7 Mar 2012 11:56PM
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Was thinking of posting this here. Pretty powerful stuff! damn onion key board.

Video here:

RPM
WA, 1549 posts
8 Mar 2012 12:04PM
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buy a $35 donation pack...

70% goes to flimakers costs, accomodation, flights,expenses
<30% goes to cause..

Been well publicised in charity foundations findings. It's a scam...

Here are the details to verify..

www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=12429

jbshack
WA, 6913 posts
8 Mar 2012 12:42PM
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RPM said...

buy a $35 donation pack...

70% goes to flimakers costs, accomodation, flights,expenses
<30% goes to cause..

Been well publicised in charity foundations findings. It's a scam...

Here are the details to verify..

www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=12429


You really are a cynic. Sad to think that people like you can still exist. The idea is to get comunication out there. To get people talking about the issue and to get political envolvemnet. I think The directors have earned there $86000 pay check for the year

It worked for me as i just sent money, ordered a pack and t-shirts for my kids as well. My kids grown up in a society were they worry about which surfboard to use, but they will apreciate that not everyone has it that good..Sum have it far worse than most can imagine.

You know its people like you that make charity a bad thing..I challenge you. If you think this is a scam then tell me one good chairty and show me how you support it? Or do you just sit back and say i'm not helping anyone else becuase there all scams?

Sorry mate but you've hit a nerve with me..

Bad things happen when we sit idel on our hands, the way of the western world

NoBS
WA, 908 posts
8 Mar 2012 12:58PM
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RSL (Anzac day)

Guide dogs

Salvo's (red shield appeal)

Breast cancer Foundation (Direct debit)

Peter mc Callum cancer institute (Direct debit)

$50 a year each.. Have been for the last 4 years.. All tax deductable and a worthy cause.. And close to home...

sn
WA, 2775 posts
8 Mar 2012 1:44PM
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I cant understand how a lot of people think,
they jump up and down complaining about the western world sticking thier nose into other countries one minute, then expect the same western world to go and clean up someone elses mess.

I am now hearing that the USA is expected to send its military into Uganda to stop this Kony bloke. (and yes- he needs stopping, no arguement there from me)
Why cant the African nations sort it out themselves?

I am all for charity- but would rather see my charity being spent on local causes and our neighbours.
Timor, PNG, Solomons and a lot of Aussies could do with a helping hand in preference to some corrupt 3rd world warlord, bureaucrat or god forbid- a film maker pocketing my hard earned donation.

I will keep doing my regular bit for the salvos and red cross, at least I know how they both use the cash (and blood) we give them.
There are a couple of other charities I support too- but if I find out they are wasting my donations- or executives are pocketing chunks- they dont get a second chance.

Stephen

jbshack
WA, 6913 posts
8 Mar 2012 2:10PM
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I agree about charities using money incorrectly. Do you know that many charities use paid fund raisers. So for a lot of your charity's a lot of the money goes straight to fund raising. Also that % used to pay for fundraisers often does not get mentioned or sanctioned in there books. A Lot of charities don't use the Charities register and it my belief that often the ones that do are legit.

Fund raising cost big money and i measure my support on what the charity is asking you to do. Invisible Children seem to be wanting for their voice to be heard and for us to join them in there outrage. 30000 children is too many lives to be lost not to stand up.

This guy is asking for us to pass on the word, send a few emails thats all.

The big thing here is that USA is finally doing something for the right reason. Not because there is oil involved. As a world wide community we owe it to other world citizens to help were ever we can.

I say good on the film maker for getting it out there. He says it from the start that's what he is and don't think $86000 to do what he is doing is too much to ask.

Obscene wages then look at Greenpeace. There CEO is on over $300,000 us yearly and flies around in a private jet..

Or what about all that money that was sent to help the Tsunami victims of Japan only to have $30 million of that miss used to help prop up whaling in the southern ocean this year.

gibberjoe
SA, 956 posts
8 Mar 2012 4:48PM
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wasnt he the bloke that tried to get thru Aussie immigration/border controll on

pretty near the last episode, wearing two pair of pants, looks alike

morph89
SA, 54 posts
8 Mar 2012 5:44PM
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Acctually i m fairly sure there is a fairly large amount of oil under Uganda

JasonProsser
NSW, 268 posts
8 Mar 2012 8:20PM
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Don't let yourself be drawn into a **** fight. If you like the cause, support it, share it, donate. If you don't, move on to another thread. Not everyone will agree with it. Accept that fact. Smile and spread positivity.
I'm off somewhere else now.

kiteboy dave
QLD, 6525 posts
8 Mar 2012 7:20PM
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The whole thing smells a bit fishy to me.
wilwheaton.tumblr.com/post/18920717928/thedailywhat-on-kony-2012-i-honestly-wanted-to#_=_

On Kony 2012: I honestly wanted to stay as far away as possible from KONY 2012, the latest fauxtivist fad sweeping the web (remember "change your Facebook profile pic to stop child abuse"?), but you clearly won't stop sending me that damn video until I say something about it, so here goes:
Stop sending me that video.
The organization behind Kony 2012 - Invisible Children Inc. - is an extremely shady nonprofit that has been called "misleading," "naive," and "dangerous" by a Yale political science professor, and has been accused by Foreign Affairs of "manipulat[ing] facts for strategic purposes." They have also been criticized by the Better Business Bureau for refusing to provide information necessary to determine if IC meets the Bureau's standards.
Additionally, IC has a low two-star rating in accountability from Charity Navigator because they won't let their financials be independently audited. That's not a good thing. In fact, it's a very bad thing, and should make you immediately pause and reflect on where the money you're sending them is going.
By IC's own admission, only 31% of all the funds they receive go toward actually helping anyone [pdf]. The rest go to line the pockets of the three people in charge of the organization, to pay for their travel expenses (over $1 million in the last year alone) and to fund their filmmaking business (also over a million) - which is quite an effective way to make more money, as clearly illustrated by the fact that so many can't seem to stop forwarding their well-engineered emotional blackmail to everyone they've ever known.



Taking down one baddie doesn't help the situation in Africa, just lets the No 2 take his place.

I will never support religious charities like Salvos or Invisible Children (They started as missionaries). Especially if only 30% of the money gets anywhere (IC) or they push religion as part of the charity they give.

If you really care, I have heard these guys are much better
www.warchild.org/

kiteboy dave
QLD, 6525 posts
8 Mar 2012 7:30PM
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The Australian Kony

sn
WA, 2775 posts
8 Mar 2012 5:41PM
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kiteboy dave said...
Taking down one baddie doesn't help the situation in Africa, just lets the No 2 take his place.
I agree with you all the way on this one,

I will never support religious charities like Salvos or Invisible Children (They started as missionaries). Especially if only 30% of the money gets anywhere (IC) or they push religion as part of the charity they give.

Last I heard, 97cents in the dollar given to the Salvos hits the streets, dont know where you got the 30% figure from.

Our family are salvo, we dont push our beliefs on anyone (my wifes a bladdy catholic )couldnt put a number on the hours my parents have spent with their emergency services van- feeding fireys, police, search parties, ANZAC day crowds, diggers reunions and similar.
Lately they have also taken on running the salvos op shop next to the Mandurah Salvos as reliable volunteers cant be found.
When the phone rings- they jump- not bad for a couple in thier late 70's.
I do my bit when I can- but I dont mind saying I am pretty proud of what my folks do.


If you really care, I have heard these guys are much better
www.warchild.org/

Some people actually get out and practice what they preach and do the dirty work,while others watch and complain.
Many others are not able to do the hard yakka for various reasons- and slip a few bob into the donation tin- which is really appreciated as every cent counts.
A lot subscribe to the latest fad charity that gets endorsement from some celebrity, or just because its a tax deduction.
Some buy the dopey rubber wrist bands to show support (feel good factor?)
whatever floats your boat.


japie
NSW, 6974 posts
8 Mar 2012 10:07PM
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If people got their head around the actual cause of degenerate governments in Africa and the rest of the third world we would make a far larger step toward eliminating the tragedies that play out on a daily basis than we ever will contributing toward any charity.

The reasons that these countries are badly run is because they are destabilised by people who have commercial interests. This is generally but clandestinely supported by western governments so the concept of appealing to those governments to help the situations they have created is somewhat farcical.

They do not give a flying fark what is happening. In fact they are probably only too pleased to collect their share of the revenue on the firearms used.

Wake up

adolf
1862 posts
8 Mar 2012 7:13PM
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I clicked the 'like' button on facebook - so I'm doing my bit. We should all tie a red ribbon to our car aerials. I know I'm going to, but first I'd better remove those plastic reindeer horns I've had on the car since xmas.

Amazing how fast this campaign has spread, it was all over the news today. I couldn't imagine it will take them too long now to get the creep and lynch him.

RPM
WA, 1549 posts
8 Mar 2012 7:14PM
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If only 'executive outcomes' was still in business.

kiteboy dave
QLD, 6525 posts
8 Mar 2012 9:52PM
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sn said...


I will never support religious charities like Salvos or Invisible Children (They started as missionaries). Especially if only 30% of the money gets anywhere (IC) or they push religion as part of the charity they give.

Last I heard, 97cents in the dollar given to the Salvos hits the streets, dont know where you got the 30% figure from.

30% is Invisible Children's self published figure. Rest spent making movies etc. That's why I put (IC) after that line.

Our family are salvo, we dont push our beliefs on anyone ....

On an individual level that's great and I respect what they do. On a larger level I prefer charity and religion, like government and religion, to be separate. All too often historically religion has been handed out alongside the goodies.

The charity market in Oz is an interesting thing. A huge market, and highly competitive. (eg there are no 'days' left, last year there was a day that was 4 things, yellow flower, green ribbon, pink balls, whatever).

Salvos are a heavyweight in this market for better or worse. I'm sure we could do a lot worse, no doubt. But they do generate some controversy. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Salvation_Army





Some people actually get out and practice what they preach and do the dirty work,while others watch and complain..



I watch and complain

SailCoothara
VIC, 137 posts
8 Mar 2012 11:10PM
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ilto.wordpress.com/2006/11/02/the-visible-problem-with-invisible-children/

This guys article, even if the stuff about Kony isn't true, really highlights the problem with foreign AID and just throwing your money at organisations like Invisible Children.... There are consequences when a society is pumped full of donations that they may not have to work for. It may help in the short run but ultimately it destroys work ethics and can cause more problems than solutions, simply to make us feel like we're helping. I'm not in any way suggesting that we should give up on African nations but money needs to go into long term plans to improve infrastructure, education and providing jobs rather than free services and welfare hand outs. Provide the steps for the nation and leave it up to them to walk to the top.

Sailhack
VIC, 5000 posts
9 Mar 2012 9:49AM
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Unfortunately it's the culture and as mentioned above, no amount of aid or charity will change it. We sit in our comfortable chairs watching the youtube clip feeling sympathetic and wanting to do something, but at the end of the day, it's out of our hands and although it sounds very insensitive, I think we should just be thankful that we were lucky/fortunate enough to be born into this situation, and not theirs. I don't know another way of wording that, either way it will sound arrogant.

If the USA or UN get involved (and will only happen if it benefits them politically), they 'may' stop this guy, but unfortunately will only be a 'band-aid' solution. Are Iraq, Pakistan & Afghanistan better off now that the (known) dictators have been brought to light? ...don't think so, sadly.

I agree with the above-comment in that we should look at our own backyard before worrying about our neighbours.

wodgina6722
WA, 229 posts
9 Mar 2012 8:23AM
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Its the culture that is the problem IMO too.

All races are different and it's not just reflected in skin colour.

kiteboy dave
QLD, 6525 posts
13 Mar 2012 7:30AM
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http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2012/03/11/invisible-children-funded-by-antigay-creationist-christian-right/

What does Invisible Children share in common with the Discovery Institute, the leading organization promoting "Intelligent Design", a pseudo-scientific theory created to insinuate creationist ideas into public schools - or with The Call, whose leader Lou Engle claims homosexuals are possessed by demons, calls God an "avenger of blood" and a "terrorist", and in May 2010 staged a rally in Kampala, Uganda, at which Engle warned of a gay menace to society and shared a stage with one of the authors of Uganda's notorious Anti Homosexuality Bill ?

990 IRS tax forms and yearly reports from Invisible Children, and 990s from its major donors, tell a story that's jarringly at odds with the secular, airbrushed, feelgood image the nonprofit has cultivated.

Among the tens of millions of people who have watched Invisible Children's KONY 2012 viral video, including Oprah Winfrey - a dedicated supporter of LGBT rights who also has given $2 million dollars to Invisible Children, how many were aware of IC's extensive financial ties to far-right fundamentalism, including major funders of the mounting global war on gay rights ? IC doesn't go out of its way to advertise these things.

evlPanda
NSW, 9202 posts
13 Mar 2012 11:24AM
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^ Wait, wait.

So If I support this Kony2012 thing I am now a far right fundamentalist? I hate god botherers as much as anyone, but I can support one with my own funds (I haven't btw) while not liking other supporters. They aren't mutually exclusive.

I think we can all safely agree we are against child armies, yes?

Also 30% going to the intended recipients is perfectly normal for any charity. That's about the normal, acceptable rate.

I am a bit confused how they want to pull this off though. Won't they have to go through Kony's child army to get to him, probably using, er, Uganda's own child army to do so? It's all good putting up posters and liking things on Facebook to raise awareness, but I didn't understand the actual plan at all, apart from 'Get him'.

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Related. This guy (warning, not as funny as he sounds):
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Butt_Naked

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whippingboy
WA, 1104 posts
13 Mar 2012 11:40AM
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It's quite funny to see how this issue is evolving, or was it created ?

Mark _australia
WA, 22521 posts
13 Mar 2012 1:27PM
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kiteboy dave said...
and in May 2010 staged a rally in Kampala, Uganda, at which Engle warned of a gay menace to society and shared a stage with one of the authors of Uganda's notorious Anti Homosexuality Bill ?



So he is supporting democracy in a war torn country. That is nice, I feel warm and fuzzy.

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
13 Mar 2012 5:02PM
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Are children invisible when they have guns? If anything I'd take more notice of a child with an AK47.

Historically its been fairly common for children to join or be forced into armies. Even in World War One and Two, many armies had soldiers who would be legally defined today as children. From what I saw and read about the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan, many of locals fighting are children. This is not to say its right to have children fighting but most societies when they go to war have used child soldiers.

So why single out a particular African faction doing it when plenty of others do it too?

It would be better to work out why these wars are going on all the time. There are many reasons why they happen. Perhaps a reason is when Africa was carved up by colonial powers, different people were pushed together into the same colonial territory. When the colonies gained independence along colonial borders it was usually the case of one group or tribe gaining power at the expense of others, which has helped cause these ongoing conflicts there.

TwoTone
WA, 20 posts
13 Mar 2012 3:02PM
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I nearly vomited at the patronising and paternalistic standpoint of the guy who made the film, his brow beating narrative. The great white Hunter from the heights of his Ivory tower like the pied piper of the sheeple of FB and twiiter.

Heres a good opinion peice from the ABC that I cant agree with more.

http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/3886358.html

An excerpt:

"What could be more annoying than the Kony 2012 campaign, that seething well of emotional incontinence where people who couldn't even point to Uganda on a map are logging on to Facebook or Twitter to squeal "I hate Joseph Kony"

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
13 Mar 2012 3:39PM
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TwoTone said...

I nearly vomited at the patronising and paternalistic standpoint of the guy who made the film, his brow beating narrative. The great white Hunter from the heights of his Ivory tower like the pied piper of the sheeple of FB and twiiter.

Heres a good opinion peice from the ABC that I cant agree with more.

http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/3886358.html

An excerpt:

"What could be more annoying than the Kony 2012 campaign, that seething well of emotional incontinence where people who couldn't even point to Uganda on a map are logging on to Facebook or Twitter to squeal "I hate Joseph Kony"



So he is a BAD guy. So what if its bought to public knowledge by Twitter or FB, atleast people now know of the problem.

jbshack
WA, 6913 posts
13 Mar 2012 4:59PM
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doggie said...

TwoTone said...

I nearly vomited at the patronising and paternalistic standpoint of the guy who made the film, his brow beating narrative. The great white Hunter from the heights of his Ivory tower like the pied piper of the sheeple of FB and twiiter.

Heres a good opinion peice from the ABC that I cant agree with more.

http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/3886358.html

An excerpt:

"What could be more annoying than the Kony 2012 campaign, that seething well of emotional incontinence where people who couldn't even point to Uganda on a map are logging on to Facebook or Twitter to squeal "I hate Joseph Kony"



So he is a BAD guy. So what if its bought to public knowledge by Twitter or FB, atleast people now know of the problem.


For me i see it as nothing other than a Tall poppy syndrome. Normal people don't like it when a individual steps outside the lines and tries to make a change, because it must make the normal people feel bad about there own ability's or lack there off.

TwoTone
WA, 20 posts
13 Mar 2012 7:50PM
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doggie said...
So he is a BAD guy. So what if its bought to public knowledge by Twitter or FB, atleast people now know of the problem.


No disagreement on him being BAD, its only a 20 year old headline, and like anything popular it will be 'so yesterday' and forgotten in 2 weeks, onto the next sensationalism via boobtube.

The taliban are now working with the US government, like they did before all the Hoohaa and the war pre Bin Laden. Taliban were 'Freedom fighters' and US allies once, as they are now again.

Its just populism.

japie
NSW, 6974 posts
14 Mar 2012 10:20PM
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#!

NoBS
WA, 908 posts
21 Mar 2012 7:44AM
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so what happened to all you retards who enjoyed the 'invisible children'???

You talked it up, you felt all warm and fuzzy when you sent your $35 but all is quiet on the western front!!!


Yawns!

Kony and those other coconuts don't even know what twitter and facebook is in Uganda! You think they have wireless and dial up in the jungle?? There twitter is AK's and 4WD mounted machine guns.



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