Colonialism brought Africa out of savagery and primitivism as it did Australia and introduced civilisation over tribalism.
Tribalism is still rife in many parts of the world, in particular Africa and Arabia which is where most conflict exists.
Aparthied was a system doomed for failure like Nazi-ism. Mandela was prominent during the crumbling of Aparthied but he did not bring it about and he was certainly no Saint. Just another Kaffir.
The main reason Aparthied was dismantled was because nobody would play cricket or football with them any more.
What a joke!!!
Mandela was a hero, a source of pride for most South Africans and an example for many others around the world. I'm sorry to see him go.
Just another kaffir he was not. Not by a long shot. He was a world class statesman.
Colonialism brought Africa out of savagery and primitivism only in the eyes of the colonialists. In fact Colonialism...civilisation...
introduced tribalism on a much grander scale. The haves vs the have nots.
Select to expand quoteMark _australia said...japie said..
"Nelson Mandela was the head of UmKhonto we Sizwe, (MK), the terrorist wing of the ANC and South African Communist Party. At his trial, he had pleaded guilty to 156 acts of public violence including mobilising terrorist bombing campaigns, which planted bombs in public places, including the Johannesburg railway station. Many innocent people, including women and children, were killed by Nelson Mandela???s MK terrorists."
is is planting a bomb in a railway station an act of terrorism?
i do not think you have to be an Afrikaner to answer yes to that.
I don't know the answer ( about Mr Mandela ) BUT:
Do you think that all black people who plead guilty to stuff back then were actually guilty?
Definitely not. There was more than one account of people falling to their death from police headquarters in John Vorster Square. The joke used to go that the explanation from the pigs was that the subject was being held outside the window for fresh air when the tea bell rang. A tad crass!
Select to expand quoteadolf said...japie said..
A tad inappropriate Adolfo? Do you not mean politically incorrect? Whatever, that is a bit rich coming from you.
And how can I compare South Africa to Palestine? Easy, very easy. Two repressed groups of people. I would also argue strongly that of the two groups the Palestinians got the worse deal if body counts are anything to go by.
Are they justified in using violence?
Personally my opinion is that they were both freedom fighters. Unfortunately not everyone sees it that way.
Would you happen to part of one of the waves of ungrateful WHITE SOUTH AFRICAN immigrants now living the dream in the best country on earth, after fleeing when all those kaffas turned on their masters?
I just smell a whiff of bias in your Nelson Mandela `terrorist` statement.
No need for your 30 year old vitriol in our country today buddy.
No Sonny I am not one of those. I left in 1979 because I found it repressive and knew it was going to turn to ****, which it has. There's no vitriol here. A good deal of disillusionment but no vitriol, it saps your energy and produces sad human beings.
I spent 23 years in Africa, 11 in Tanzania and 12 in the Republic. I was extremely fortunate in having an old man who was liberal minded and taught me to think critically. I recall one day making some inane comment about Africans and their body odour. He retorted that we would stink as well if there was only one tap at the end of every street.
What does really give me the willies is the level of ignorance about the whole show. But I can live with it for another 127 days. I've just just bought some land on a Pacific Island so I'll be leaving you to your best country in the world 
The world needs more leaders like Nelson who was able to merge a nation under such difficult circumstances. He was very intelligent, humble and had great vision for SA. It always brings a smile to my face, every time i go back for a holiday to see how multicultural SA has become. South Africa showed the world how reconciliation can be achieved and are world leaders in this area. We just hope the new leaders of SA can take a leaf out of Nelson's book when it comes to leadership and vision.
Select to expand quoteMilsy said...
^^^^^^ c ya, heres to wishing theres no internet on your new island home.
There is a dirty great big relay tower about a kilometer away
Did the the ignorance.comment get to you? Don't worry, ignorance is in plentiful supply globally.. Fortunately, unlike stupidity, it can be fixed. It's unfortunately stupid not to
Select to expand quoteMilsy said...
^^^^^^ c ya, heres to wishing theres no internet on your new island home.
There is a dirty great big relay tower about a kilometer away
Did the the ignorance.comment get to you? Don't worry, ignorance is in plentiful supply globally.. Fortunately, unlike stupidity, it can be fixed. It's unfortunately stupid not to
Speaking of tributes on social media, the Paul walker thing have me the **s. The number of people giving heart filled tributes, you would have thought they were best mates. Then Mandela who I think was more influential didn't get a mention really in comparison
Select to expand quotePaddlePig said..
Speaking of tributes on social media, the Paul walker thing have me the **s. The number of people giving heart filled tributes, you would have thought they were best mates. Then Mandela who I think was more influential didn't get a mention really in comparison
I guess part of it was one died young in tragic circumstances and one died at the age of 95.
Not defending people's bias but there you have it. For the record, Paul Walker was an extremely generous and selfless bloke. He did an awful lot of good outside of the media spotlight. A lot of people are giving him praise for what he did, not for the terrible films he was in. Comparing the two men is pointless.
Anyhoo, I hear the terrorist argument come up a lot at the moment regarding Mandela. Can't say I know exactly where I stand. One man's terrorirst...one man's freedom fighter etc.
One would have to be concerned about where SA is now heading after Mandela has left this earth. From his tribal background, be it, he was right or wrong; daylight runs a distant second in the leadership, and political stakes.
The current crop of leaders that filled the void after Mandela moved into retirement, have not shown any great statesmanship or leadership. Sadly the possibility for the current SA profile to slip into the mould of a few other states with leaders just filling the coffers of close tribal ties and close family to the detriment of the state, on the African continent is closer than one would like to see.
Two things Joseph, has to do is, keep China on side, and don???t upset the cash flow.
Second is, don???t p1ss those Zulus off to the point they resort to solving issues as in the early nineties, with brute force. Zulus get in the chair, all other also ran tribes will suffer greatly.
One thing I do agree with is Japies slant on things, him being a lad who experienced first hand, how life is on that side of the world. My Nephews have worked and run business for over 15 years in Africa. They do report on some nasty things that never make the front page or on the news stands, enough to make one shake ones head in disbelief and discussed.
i can't judge mandela ( also arafat, kadafi etc )
but i have a strange feeling that when the last "freedom fighter" from that era will go,
something in this world will be lost completely
^^^ Fidel in a suit! If he shaved that beard no one would recognize him.
Maybe it's false. Maybe he sneaks into Disneyland occasionally.
This is a parody site, but sadly enough, I think it's actually true, there aren't many politicians people will miss
www.theonion.com/nelson-mandela-becomes-first-politician-to-be-missed-1819575931
