nothing derogatory, but i'd love to use it as a metaphor for how things really are and how we like to see them....!
Regards to the med. reps, my nephew is one and I know exactly what you mean regarding the knowledge level. Their argument it is the G.P s legal responsibility to assess blah blah blah. Too bad if the doc is lazy.
All medication,if taken wrongly becomes either toxic or useless. Find a (chatty) good chemist and always go to the same one. They cross reference your drug combinations and give out the mims info sheets.
Any anticonvulsant medication (eg epilim) is better than none for unstable epileptics. Yes they all have side effects, but you are trying to stop the brain short circuiting and frying itself. Dont throw out the baby with the bath water.
Most medication people take these days is to fix up problems their lifestyle caused in the first place. If you dont want pills - dont drink, smoke, eat fat/sugar, dont stress, do exercise etc etc..or simply dont go to the doctor...that has a 100% sucess rate.
Hairytestes knows this one guy, who once got cancer, and decided to do nothing about it and hey presto, it went into remission.
I know this one guy who got prostate cancer, did nothing, and died. (true story).
Anecdotal evidence means diddly-squat.
well, its not that he did nothing about it... and i see where you are coming from but hey, why not poison your body with radioactive drugs, because when you think about it, its the lack of radioactive materials in our bodies which gives us the cancer in the first place, right...?
Sorry sambO that didnt have anything to do with flouride.
What I was going to say: Test your water for other toxic chemicals and substances.
Especially copper- if you have copper water pipes (which most houses do) and you get green staining around leaky taps then you most likely have a problem.
copper toxicity = huge health problems, makes flouride look nourishing.!!
www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml;jsessionid=LMJIX1VRLHJ13QFIQMFSFFWAVCBQ0IV0?xml=/earth/2008/01/13/eachems113.xml
First reaction is ' glad I live in Australia, old world overcrowded problem'.
But in actual fact we arent that much better - Perth has had several serious contamination problems. One at a waste (industrial and medical) plant at Brookdale, covered a nearby school with toxic dust, contaminated soil, ground water and sludge that was sold/given away as farm fertalizer spread the problems far and wide. Cannt remember all the chemicals but they werent human friendly.
What comes out my tap is contaminated the only mystery is how toxic it is today.
As well as worrying about whats in our tap water, now we have to worry about wheres its come from and what our using it is going to cause:
I do think we take for granted that just because its scheme water thats it healthy, and are blissfully ignorant and trusting.
You obviously must think its ok now before the flouride but is it??
Have you or your local council done water studies/testing.? You need to have a base line to compare the fluorided water to.
It does cost, but if your passionate enough about this to do something officially, then you have to have clear scientific data pre and post fluoride to back yourself up.
The one thing that p#sd me off with the American data is that all, except one, never did or reported the fluoride levels the councils were putting in, what the obviously toxic ones were, or what the water was like before. Makes fairy tales.
From reputable laboratory- do water tests from your tap, may as well do your bore too(never know what youll find)
If you are going to drink tap water - get your G.P to do base line bloods and if you are really serious, get a hair analysis done( cost $100 and must be analysed by a specialist)
Then if everything goes pear shaped, redo all the tests and presto you have a provable, legitimate environmental case to sue the pants off them.
POLITICIANS HAVE PASSED BILL TO FORCE WATER FLUORIDATION ON 4 MILLION QUEENSLANDERS.
On behalf of Queenslanders Against Water Fluoridation ( QAWF Inc ) I would like to thank the many people who have recently contacted us saying that they do not want fluoridation forced on them and also the many hundreds of peolpe who have sent us copies of complaint letters that they sent to Queensland Politicians or the Chief Health Officer.
Many people may not be aware that the BILL that will mandate water fluoridation on almost all of Queenslands public water supplies was passed through the Queensland Parliament late Thursday night 13 th March. The BILL as passed, additionally removes any liability from the government, politicians, Councils and water authorities.
The Queensland mainstream media has barely reported on the passing of the BILL, an article in the early edition of the Courier Mail was replaced with an article of an unrelated issue in the later edition. The Queensland Media has also not reported that it will be impossible for anyone to be able to sue for any harm caused by water fluoridation, even harm resulting from accidents.
On the 12 th February a delegation which included a Medical Doctor, a Doctor of Biology and a Medical Scientist presented to the Premier, Health Minister, Chief Health Officer and Chief Dental Officer, evidence that Qld Health had doctored data on tooth decay that Qld Health used to promote water fluoridation and also showed how Qld Health had illegitimately dismissed a study showing a robust link between water fluoridation and Osteosarcoma in boys.
The delegation also informed the government representatives of a recently re-confirmed link between the use of Silicofluorides ( the Qld government intending using these chemicals to fluoridate the water ) and increased blood lead levels in children and several other health concerns associated with water fluoridation. The issue that water fluoridation was unethical mass medication that no doctor would be allowed to force on patients was also raised with Premier Bligh. Additionally, it was pointed out that people of limited means would be not be able to afford water tanks or Reverse Osmosis Units or bottled water and would be trapped and have no choice in consuming and bathing in fluoridated water.
Despite this delegation and despite most politicians receiving copious quantities of information showing that water fluoridation made little difference to decreasing tooth decay and that there are many legitimate concerns for adverse health effects and that the NHMRC or Qld government has never conducted a single Health and Safety on any human organ other than teeth, most Queensland Politicians voted to pass the BILL. Only 2 independents Dorothy Pratt and Liz Cunningham voted against the Bill , with another Independent, Rosa Lee Long who had also spoken out against, not able to be present for the vote.
In the last 3 years there have been several developments that should have seen any government be cautious about introducing water fluoridation, yet the increasing developments to cease or at least urge caution, has apparently made the Qld Government even more determined to introduce it.
In an apparently political move to show unity with the Liberal Party in a prelude to forming a new combined Coalition Party, all the National Party MPs voted for the BILL, despite all voting against mandated fluoridation in 2005 . All the members of the Labor Party, had voted against mandated fluoridation in 2005, but under Premier Anna Bligh in 2008, all voted for it.
Where to from here?
Apparently Parliament is supreme, they can make any law they wish, especially when one Party has an overwhelming majority, but that does not mean fluoridation cannot be challenged in other ways. It has been successfully challenged and rejected in some other countries.
The Committee of QAWF is investigating ways that water fluoridation can be challenged legally and is continuing a fund raising campaign to enable this. (Many thanks to those of you who have already donated.)
Additionally QAWF would like to establish a data base of Queenslanders who are more at risk from effects of water fluoridation, particularly ~
* people who already have thyroid dysfunction or who may develop thyroid disease if their water supply is fluoridated
* people who have kidney impairment or diabetes ( diabetes often leads into kidney impairment )
* people who already have dental fluorosis ( white markings on teeth ) from living in fluoridated areas or from taking fluoride tablets/drops
* people who are chemically sensitive, or who may develop allergies if their water supply is fluoridated
* parents of infants under 12 months of age
* parents of boys under 20 years of age
It would be very much appreciated if people who are in the above categories could send their email and phone contact details for future contact to risk@qawf.org . All details will be kept strictly confidential.
With your permission, QAWF would like to keep in contact and continue to send out information that can be of help to inform others of the " other side " of water fluoridation.
Water fluoridation is very wrong: it is an American invention from the middle of last century that was used to help the American Aluminium industry get rid of their waste products.
Less than 5% of the worlds population drinks fluoridated water, with northern America being half of this 5%.
Apart from the Republic of Ireland where fluoridation is also mandated, Australia and the USA are among the most heavily fluoridated countries in the world. With Queensland , Australia would become even more fluoridated than the USA.
Very best wishes and many thanks for those who have helped fight forced fluoridation and will also continue to fight till it is ended.
Merilyn Haines
spokesperson / QAWF Inc info@qawf.org www.qawf.org
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uncensored.co.nz/2007/02/27/its-time-to-reconsider-fluoridation/
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"Poison control experts have cautioned that death could result if a twenty pound child consumes one third of a seven ounce tube of enticingly flavoured toothpaste. A spokesman of Proctor and Gamble, manufacturers of the Crest toothpaste, admitted that a family-sized tube “theoretically, at least, contains enough fluoride to kill a small child.”
Printed on the back of tubes of fluoridated toothpaste in the USA are these words mandated by the US Food and Drug ADMINISTRATION (FDA) since 1997: “WARNINGS: Keep out of reach of children under 6 years of age. If you accidentally swallow more than used for brushing, seek professional help or contact a poison control centre immediately.” This label is compulsory because of the very expensive lawsuits for “wrongful death” occurring as a result of children being poisoned by fluoridated toothpaste"
Good to see you guys covering discussing alternative topics, anyway heres another if some of you have not seen yet re WTC7 reported collapse before it happened
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Part I: BBC World reports the collapse of the Salomon Brothers Building (WTC 7) while it is clearly still standing outside the window behind the reporter (tall building on the right). They also give a time reference that is 23 minutes before the actual collapse. As the reporter keeps talking to the studio anchor and the time approaches the actual collapse, her feed cuts out to the BBC studio (approx. 5 minutes before). "
you are never going to convince a person of a possibility, if they accept their only possibility obidiently and without question from a -self appointed- "higher authority". questioning these possibilities, or these higher authorities is too confronting for most people and their immediate reactions are fear and ridicule, these reactions are then used by the higher authority to confuse and instill further fear and unquestioning acceptance of authority, by ridiculing those who identify other possibilities... as is evident here in this forum, you are a tool used to keep yourself in check.... www.watercure.com .....flouride water is dead water
Yeah, but what are you going to do? You don't seem to have thought this through very far.
(reminds me of an old article: www.theonion.com/content/node/43012)