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Pointless fences at the beach...

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Created by Simondo > 9 months ago, 30 Jul 2012
Simondo
VIC, 8020 posts
30 Jul 2012 7:58PM
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I wonder what the thought process is at Council sometimes...

Lets put a fence in at the beach.
Was there a fence there before - No.
Do we need a fence now - No.
What would be the purpose of the fence - not sure.
Should we put a fence up anyway! - yes!

Have a look at these photos... The sand level at the fence here differs by at least 500-750mm during a year, with the seasons, and with the storms, and surge high tides....

This fence will fall over... I'm going to get some good quality wire cutters to carry in the car. Cut some sections out of this useless fence, so we can use the beach as it was intended, without a fence in the way.



(that's my Dog on the right, and the big bananas are OC6's)
(Below, fence is about 1.5 feet clear of the sand

This at Fisherman's Beach, Torquay, Vic.




There's also "The Big Sand Dune" down my way. Almost a tourist attraction on its own. You feel like Rocky Balboa once you climb to the top. There was a well worn path, and people's feet would slowly push sand down the track, then the windy days would slowly push the sand back up the track. The Big Dune was living in beautiful harmony... I remember first climbing up the top with my brother when I was about 7. 30 odd years ago.

The put a small sign up - please refrain from climbing the dune, due to erosion issues. "They" still weren't happy, so "they" thought it was best that they erect a fence in front of the dune... Same problem, sand ebbs and flows, and sections of the fence either have 2 feet clear under-neath, or mounded sand, making it a 1-2 feet fence... Easy-peasy to climb under or over... People still go up the dune.... WHAT'S THE FARKING POINT OF THE FENCE!!!?? (Will get some pics tomorrow).

I'm really impressed with the intelligence of some people!! haha.

OK - Rant Over - I feel better now!


SandS
VIC, 5904 posts
30 Jul 2012 8:06PM
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That is crazy !!! Some well paid fruit cake thought that was a good Idea !!!

Tell them to give their wages back for the time it took to organize that!!!!

bobajob
QLD, 1535 posts
30 Jul 2012 8:23PM
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You could screw a hook in them to assist with self landing of kites, see not completely useless.

Simondo
VIC, 8020 posts
30 Jul 2012 8:26PM
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You could hang your beach bag on it.
You could hang your towel out to dry...
You could tie your dog/kid onto it.
You could tie your beach shelter to it.
DJ could chain his Fat Wheel Beach Cruiser to it.
You could rest your binoculars on the post to get a steadier vision of the bikinis...
Really useful!

SOLD - lets put the fence in !!

Scotty88
4214 posts
30 Jul 2012 6:32PM
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It could be the last of that dingo fence they built in the outback. It strectes across the continent. I always wondered where that fence ended. I mean, think about it, where does it end ?

Simondo
VIC, 8020 posts
30 Jul 2012 8:44PM
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Scotty, I guess it's The Great Wall of China.

The Eastern End actually finishes in the sea, to the east of Beijing.
The Western End ended up so far away from Beijing that it just peters out at a place where they couldn't be bothered going any further!

southace
SA, 4776 posts
30 Jul 2012 8:32PM
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Who let the dogs out! Um I'm mean keep the dogs out so they dont poop on the sand!

Macroscien
QLD, 6806 posts
30 Jul 2012 9:13PM
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Maybe Gina just bought some recreational space and that is first sign that we are not welcome here

Sailhack
VIC, 5000 posts
30 Jul 2012 9:44PM
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pointed fence...


vs...

pointless fence...




...too obvious?

Gizmo
SA, 2865 posts
30 Jul 2012 9:21PM
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Welcome to a litigious society, there was an accident a few years back in the river in Adelaide and there was a call to fence the entire length, which never went though.
By local councils fencing areas off it then shows some level of regard to public safety and then if someone crosses that fence line then they have entered a define area outside council control and do so at their own risk..... Council legal liability minimised... simple.

What ever happened to being responsible for your own actions.

hamburglar
ACT, 2174 posts
30 Jul 2012 10:22PM
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ummmm is it to keep the boat people out

Ian K
WA, 4049 posts
30 Jul 2012 8:27PM
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Simondo said...

I wonder what the thought process is at Council sometimes...

Lets put a fence in at the beach.
Was there a fence there before - No.
Do we need a fence now - No.
What would be the purpose of the fence - not sure.
Should we put a fence up anyway! - yes!

Have a look at these photos... The sand level at the fence here differs by at least 500-750mm during a year, with the seasons, and with the storms, and surge high tides....

This fence will fall over... I'm going to get some good quality wire cutters to carry in the car. Cut some sections out of this useless fence, so we can use the beach as it was intended, without a fence in the way.





Well all beaches are different, and I'm not an expert on coastal systems, but it doesn't look like a healthy beach system to me. Mowed grass to sand in photo3!

The beach has probably had a rough history in the past 200 years. Farmers may have cleared right up to the primary dune. This dune, without its tea tree has possibly blown inland, maybe it was trucked away to make local roads, who knows. But most undisturbed beaches will have a gradation of vegetation from low tough tussocky looking things doing the front line battle with the high tide surf, grading back to tea tree a couple of metres high on a primary dune of a couple of metres high.

A natural system like this can reform provided you get a bit of vegetation happening. It'll trap sand reform a dune, eventually reform an environment for coastal tea tree - might take a while, but until you put a fence up the vegetation can't get started.

Here's a local attempt I'm more familiar with. Wollongong's sand dunes were also hit very hard by early settlement. As well as for local construction, a lot of sand was infamously shipped off to Hawaii, to yellow up their volcanic beaches. Fences have since been put up in much of Wollongong and vegetation has been re-established. I think the main reason for revegetation initially was to trap the sand marching inland, but environmentally it's got to have been good also.

There's a good vegetation covered dune in this picture of Sandon Point, contrasting with the mown area in the front. There's still more grass in the foreground than 1000 beachgoers would need to sit or rig up on! The effort in the foreground to extend the vegetation failed by the way. A resident with a view snuck down after dark and pulled all the plants all out.


Simondo
VIC, 8020 posts
30 Jul 2012 10:46PM
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Haha Kiteboy Dave. You're a bit of a retard too!
There's no sand dune here. Car park is virtually on the beach.
I understand what you were trying to say, but it wasn't very relevant in this case.
In photo is a sand mound, with kikuyu grass, which is a noxious weed. There is also box thorn on the headland in picture 1. Plus a dirty big drain for kids to either fall off or climb inside of.
Pull your head in!

Simondo
VIC, 8020 posts
30 Jul 2012 10:57PM
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Dave, I read your post again. You're pretty rude.

This fence is not protecting anything. I understand you are not familiar with this location.

The Big Dune I spoke of is 1km away from here, off the beaten track, and it has survived for a very long without a fence... Why does it need a fence now... Plus, the fence will need rebuilding every year or so as the dune moves... So why even bother putting it there.

Where do you live? I want to send you a Bells Beach Stubby Holder, because you are a top bloke!

Ian K
WA, 4049 posts
30 Jul 2012 9:01PM
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Simondo said...

Haha Kiteboy Dave. You're a bit of a retard too!
Car park is virtually on the beach.



That's possibly the crux of the problem. The car park should be moved back 100 metres. The kikuyu can be sorted out later.

Simondo
VIC, 8020 posts
30 Jul 2012 11:06PM
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Ian, you might be right about trying regenerate the zone. But in my humble opinion, the fence if many metres too far out, into the risky high tide storm surge zone, at too much risk of being washed away.

Sand Dune Fences - we've all seen fences buried by moving sands, and fences sitting really high, ready to fall.

Around my area, a few signs and paths, and less fences would be a better result.

Simondo
VIC, 8020 posts
30 Jul 2012 11:09PM
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Ian K said...

Simondo said...

Haha Kiteboy Dave. You're a bit of a retard too!
Car park is virtually on the beach.



That's possibly the crux of the problem. The car park should be moved back 100 metres. The kikuyu can be sorted out later.




Nope. Road and park behind... Have a look on Google Earth.

Don't try and read too much into it.

Ian K
WA, 4049 posts
30 Jul 2012 9:28PM
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Maybe retrospectively the fences will be found to be in the wrong place. But the council has probably given it their best shot. Beaches are very dynamic, even when they are vegetatively stabilised, it's not easy to undo damages of past neglect. The council might optimistically be hoping the vegetation can push the beach back away from the car park. In some parts of Wollongong Acacia longifolia sophore had been used to stabilise beaches and is so successful it is driving the beach seaward. This has upset a few of the surf clubs because the nippers don't have the room they used to have for beach sprints - but that's another story.

Simondo
VIC, 8020 posts
30 Jul 2012 11:28PM
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Picture this, it's 1588 on an Australian Beach, without any fences. Just natural beaches.

I just think fences are over rated... Modern society thinks we need to put up a fence.

Yes, heavyily populated areas need some control fences. I'm just saying that we have way too many metres of fences on dunes here.

Scotty88
4214 posts
30 Jul 2012 9:28PM
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Simondo said...

Scotty, I guess it's The Great Wall of China.

The Eastern End actually finishes in the sea, to the east of Beijing.
The Western End ended up so far away from Beijing that it just peters out at a place where they couldn't be bothered going any further!


Rabbit proof fence then ? I seen the movie.

Ian K
WA, 4049 posts
30 Jul 2012 9:38PM
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Simondo said...

Picture this, it's 1588 on an Australian Beach, without any fences. Just natural beaches.

I just think fences are over rated... Modern society thinks we need to put up a fence.

Yes, heavyily populated areas need some control fences. I'm just saying that we have way too many metres of fences on dunes here.


I think that line of reasoning has been tried. Signs "Stay on the path" just don't work. You're dealing with people. I've snagged more than one sail on a fence at the beach, but still wouldn't be without them. The beaches are so much better when fences are installed.

Simondo
VIC, 8020 posts
30 Jul 2012 11:42PM
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Yeah, I hear you Ian. I think I agree!

But if you saw the one in photo with your own eyes, you would have a chuckle.

PS - that is low tide in photo. A King Tide and a storm swell would be washing right past the fence. That's another reason I was left scratching my head.

BulldogPup
6657 posts
30 Jul 2012 9:46PM
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^^^^
It'll probably end up being used as fuel for a beach party fire simo - give it time mate

Simondo
VIC, 8020 posts
30 Jul 2012 11:55PM
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Haha Pup.
How's Kite Boys form? FYI Kitey, it's an off leash dog beach.

Ian K
WA, 4049 posts
30 Jul 2012 10:11PM
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Simondo said...

Yeah, I hear you Ian. I think I agree!

But if you saw the one in photo with your own eyes, you would have a chuckle.

PS - that is low tide in photo. A King Tide and a storm swell would be washing right past the fence. That's another reason I was left scratching my head.


Yeh, maybe if I saw it first hand I'd chuckle. But I wouldn't chuckle too loud. Maybe the fencing contractor read the map upside down, maybe someone in council has had a stroke of brilliance and the shifting sands will align. Time will tell

kiteboy dave
QLD, 6525 posts
31 Jul 2012 8:25AM
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Simondo said...

Dave, I read your post again. You're pretty rude.

Where do you live? I want to send you a Bells Beach Stubby Holder, because you are a top bloke!


Yes I can be rude. No point being half rude if you set out to be rude, might as well do a good job of it.

I don't like seeing my tax dollars wasted because some... backyard expert... (is that polite enough for ya?) thinks they know better than someone who is paid to know about these things.

Was there a fence there before - No. (So?)
Do we need a fence now - No. (Says Simondo, expert on erosion control)
What would be the purpose of the fence - not sure. (Simondo's not sure, therefore it's obviously pointless)

What really stirs me to be rude is the thought that if you're not all talk and you actually did cut the fence down or your rant of a post encouraged someone else to do it. Then my tax dollars would genuinely be wasted rebuilding a brand new fence.

Yes, I am a top bloke, thanks for noticing.

I like stubby coolers, my current fave is from the Wooli Bowls and Recreation Club.








Simondo
VIC, 8020 posts
31 Jul 2012 9:29AM
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I think I worked out what the fence is for. I think it just directs human foot traffic away from the Drainage Creek / Pipe. Beach users will be more likely to remember the big sandy beach, and not the drainage pipe.

southace
SA, 4776 posts
31 Jul 2012 9:16AM
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kiteboy dave said...

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Simondo said...

Dave, I read your post again. You're pretty rude.

Where do you live? I want to send you a Bells Beach Stubby Holder, because you are a top bloke!


Yes I can be rude. No point being half rude if you set out to be rude, might as well do a good job of it.

I don't like seeing my tax dollars wasted because some... backyard expert... (is that polite enough for ya?) thinks they know better than someone who is paid to know about these things.

Was there a fence there before - No. (So?)
Do we need a fence now - No. (Says Simondo, expert on erosion control)
What would be the purpose of the fence - not sure. (Simondo's not sure, therefore it's obviously pointless)

What really stirs me to be rude is the thought that if you're not all talk and you actually did cut the fence down or your rant of a post encouraged someone else to do it. Then my tax dollars would genuinely be wasted rebuilding a brand new fence.

Yes, I am a top bloke, thanks for noticing.

I like stubby coolers, my current fave is from the Wooli Bowls and Recreation Club.





In the picture I see a dog exploring! I think thats rude. While you explore the fence he/she lays a big fat curly poo. Dog won't tell you continues exploring. I come along while looking at the water conditions stands in big curly poo that's just rude. Put ya dog on a leash I think!



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Sailhack
VIC, 5000 posts
31 Jul 2012 9:47AM
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Possibly more to do with public insurance than erosion control. Keep the ruggies away from the drain...whilst tempting them with that cool rock climbing area at the end of the fence.

I'm guessing an experiment to reduce foot traffic? A better location of the fence would be at the top of the rise - to make people stop and decide to take the track instead of trampling the dune & causing erosion. The council possibly think the dune may increase back to where it possibly was, 'they be wrong' on that though.

Dunes are dynamic enough without human interference. I love the fact that my kids have a ball jumping all over & sliding down the high dunes we have here, but a part of me thinks 'this isn't good for preserving the natural environment'.

Pitbull
WA, 1267 posts
31 Jul 2012 10:08AM
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The fence near the drain outlet is probably to prevent the public from walking near it. A lot of drug user needles end up at these locations from the wide catchment area. If a sing was erected 'Caution - Syringes May Be Found In Sand' then that may entice some for a treasure hunt. Then the public liability thing comes back into play.

felixdcat
WA, 3519 posts
31 Jul 2012 2:09PM
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Looks like a mullet proof fence to keep the cashed up bogans away from the water annoying the crap of everybody with the jet skis!



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