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Poll - Best Ever Aussie Engine

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Created by ikw777 > 9 months ago, 4 Mar 2013
MDSXR6T
WA, 1019 posts
4 Mar 2013 9:40PM
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I've actually got much love for RX7's!

Nearly purchased a series 7. It drove so nicely but was terribly uncomfortable for a 6'5 driver.

Sounds like your into playing with turbo cars?

Mark _australia
WA, 22377 posts
4 Mar 2013 9:48PM
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^^^ I was back in the younger days ...... till the money fkd me lol

Last one was a 1993 TX3 4WD, bored a bit so about 1.9L, head work, cam, good good bottom end, 240kW on avgas.

Ate CVs and driveshafts.

sn
WA, 2775 posts
4 Mar 2013 10:33PM
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MDSXR6T said...Rebuilding them every time you fill up gets expensive though


one of our mates was going through apex seals so regularly, we (semi-seriously) told him to weld some mesh behind his exhaust so he could catch his apex seals.

stephen

Mark _australia
WA, 22377 posts
4 Mar 2013 10:49PM
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sn said...
MDSXR6T said...Rebuilding them every time you fill up gets expensive though


one of our mates was going through apex seals so regularly, we (semi-seriously) told him to weld some mesh behind his exhaust so he could catch his apex seals.

stephen




3mm seals are fine to 800hp in a 13B
if he is eating up aftermarket seals in a mild engine somethign is wrong and it ain't the seals.

I know some topfuelers that eat spark plugs and diesel all the way to the finish and nobody says V8's are sh!t because of that

Rus13b
NSW, 270 posts
5 Mar 2013 8:15AM
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Show me a std motor factory built in 1991 that can make 385hp at the wheels, not the flywheel & have it do that for 12 years. Yeh rotarys must be **** or is it the people who dont know how to own & treat a rotary right. If u are rebuilding every time u fill up then u you need to become a v8 bogan head.

cisco
QLD, 12326 posts
5 Mar 2013 10:21AM
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DavMen
NSW, 1499 posts
5 Mar 2013 11:58AM
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sameh said...
the holden camira 1.6 engine.


hehehe ... I got booked for speeding in that car, you wouldn't think it was possible! Was flogging in down a steep hill hoping I would make it up the other side, got pinned at the bottom of the hill 114 in a 100 zone!

thePup
13831 posts
5 Mar 2013 9:45AM
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308 - if we're allowed to fry up the internals a touch .... 253 wasn't a bad mill if you did the same ... bit of Edelbrock yella terra Holley double pumper that sort of caper whatever your brew was

patsken
WA, 705 posts
5 Mar 2013 9:55AM
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DavMen said...
sameh said...
the holden camira 1.6 engine.


hehehe ... I got booked for speeding in that car, you wouldn't think it was possible! Was flogging in down a steep hill hoping I would make it up the other side, got pinned at the bottom of the hill 114 in a 100 zone!




There was nothing wrong with the Camira!!!

I drove one on The Gibb River Road from Derby to Fitzroy Crossing years ago with 4 of us in it and it didn't miss a beat.

Pity I had to give it back to the hire car company

Reflex Films
WA, 1446 posts
5 Mar 2013 10:05AM
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nearly ozzy but not quite - the v6 ecotec 3.8 in my vs series 2. am at 320 000 ks and it hasnt skipped at beat. pretty good on fuel on the open rd too.
technically its a buick motor though...

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
5 Mar 2013 11:12AM
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253/308 & 132/202 were designed by Buick.

245/265 designed by Dodge.

V6 ecotech was a Buick as well.

paddymac
WA, 936 posts
5 Mar 2013 11:39AM
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ikw777 said...

OK then car nuts, what was the best, most legendary Australian designed and built motor car engine.

My vote: Chrysler HEMI 265.

I like mine with triples:
rpp



Is that from Aravina winery?

SandS
VIC, 5904 posts
5 Mar 2013 8:19PM
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doggie said...
253/308 & 132/202 were designed by Buick.

245/265 designed by Dodge.

V6 ecotech was a Buick as well.




You must have missed my history lesson also doggie . 253 and 308 designed and mass produced buy a Melbourne engineering team led buy a Melbourne fellow all working for Holden . Fact

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
5 Mar 2013 5:21PM
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SandS said...
doggie said...
253/308 & 132/202 were designed by Buick.

245/265 designed by Dodge.

V6 ecotech was a Buick as well.




You must have missed my history lesson also doggie . 253 and 308 designed and mass produced buy a Melbourne engineering team led buy a Melbourne fellow all working for Holden . Fact




Key word, developed. Not designed.

kiteboy dave
QLD, 6525 posts
5 Mar 2013 8:22PM
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True aussie tinkering, how about the drysdale 750cc v8 motorbike engine?

http://home.mira.net/~iwd/750develop.html

What about the split cycle engine, anyone else familar with that story? (I saw one running once). Pity he was a typical dodgy kiwi, the engine was awesome.


By 2004, the Orbital Engine Company had accumulated losses of $480-million but Sarich had been fortunate enough to get out early. He sold his shares and did what every sensible millionaire does, he bought property in Perth's central business district.

But the perceived success of Orbital spawned a number of imitators. In 1988, another radical engine design began making headlines. Split-Cycle Technology also promised more power, fewer emissions and better fuel economy. Rick Mayne, the New Zealand inventor, has appeared in Australia two years earlier. He had previously made caravans and trailers from second-hand parts. He argued that because the material he used was second-hand, no sales tax was payable.

Mayne sold shares to the general public in his Split-Cycle venture, but he didn't go through the usual step of listing on a stock exchange. Instead, trading in the shares occurred at the Split-Cycle headquarters on the Gold Coast and during sweaty revival-hall-style gatherings in rented and packed hotel rooms.

Stimulating the interest were Mayne's confident assertions that his technology was about to be adopted worldwide. He was also publicity conscious. He enlisted the celebrity train robber, Ronald Biggs as a representative. He hired three times world Formula One car racing champion, Sir Jack Brabham, to chair the company. At its peak, Split-Cycle was valued at more than $200-million. Mayne, as the biggest shareholder, was worth $50-million. In 1993, he was named as one of Australia's richest men. That same year he was arrested when he returned to his native New Zealand, for evading a $1-million tax bill on the caravans and trailers.

sn
WA, 2775 posts
5 Mar 2013 7:41PM
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Mark _australia said...
sn said...
MDSXR6T said...Rebuilding them every time you fill up gets expensive though


one of our mates was going through apex seals so regularly, we (semi-seriously) told him to weld some mesh behind his exhaust so he could catch his apex seals.
stephen


3mm seals are fine to 800hp in a 13B
if he is eating up aftermarket seals in a mild engine somethign is wrong and it ain't the seals.


late 1970's, combination of a P plate driver, ex RX3 rally car drivetrain dropped into a Mazda 808, made a great Q ship for hunting toranas
I cant say it had a pampered life..

beerdead
NSW, 433 posts
5 Mar 2013 11:33PM
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I'd say Vincent Black Shadow, designed by Australian Phil Irving, but it was built in the UK.
So then I'll have a go at the Irving Vincent, currently built in sunny Victoria based on Phils 1946 Rapide.

Irving Vincent Period 4
E42d8474

Specifications:

1300cc
Bore: 92mm
Stroke: 97.7mm
Compression Ratio: 14:1
BHP: 135 at 6500 RPM
Torque: 113 ft lb at 5500 RPM





Race History:

AMCN Fourteenth Annual Island Classic, Phillip Island

26th-28th January 2008

Unlimited Classic and Post Classic

Race 1 - 1st Place
Race 2 - 1st Place
Race 3 - 1st Place
Race 4 - 1st Place



Australian Historic Championships, Eastern Creek

27th-28th October 2007

Post Classic 800cc-1300cc

Race 1 - 1st Place
Race 2 - 1st Place

Post Classic 526cc-1300cc Championship

Race 1 - DNF (battery failure)
Race 2 - 1st place



The Barry Sheene Memorial Road Race, Eastern Creek

9th-11th March 2007

Post Classic 350cc/500cc & Unlimited

Race 1 - 1st Place
Race 2 - 1st Place
Race 3 - 1st Place



AMCN Thirteenth Annual Island Classic, Phillip Island

26th-28th January 2007

Unlimited Classic and Post Classic

Race 1 - 1st Place
Race 2 - 1st Place
Race 3 - 1st Place
Race 4 - 1st Place

Irving Vincent Period 5
Eastern_creek_igp3509

Specifications:

1300cc
Bore: 100mm
Stroke: 82.55mm
Compression Ratio: 13:1
BHP: 145 at 7000 RPM
Torque: 116 ft lb at 6000 RPM



Race History:



AMCN Fourteenth Annual Island Classic, Phillip Island

26th-28th January 2008

International Challenge

Race 1 - 1st Place
Race 2 - 1st Place
Race 3 - 1st Place
Race 4 - DNF



Australian Historic Championships, Eastern Creek

27th-28th October 2007

Forgotten Era 500cc & Unlimited

Race 1 - 1st Place
Race 2 - 1st Place

Forgotten Era 526cc-1300cc Championship

Race 1 - 1st Place
Race 2 - 1st place
Lap Record 1:40.3360 set by Craig McMartin



The Barry Sheene Memorial Road Race, Eastern Creek

9th-11th March 2007

Forgotten Era 350cc/500cc & Unlimited

Race 1 - 1st Place
Race 2 - 1st Place
Race 3 - 1st Place



AMCN Thirteenth Annual Island Classic, Phillip Island

26th-28th January 2007

Forgotten Era International Challenge

Race 1 - 8th Place
Race 2 - 4th Place
Race 3 - 4th Place
Race 4 - 4th Place



Tractorguy
TAS, 542 posts
5 Mar 2013 11:38PM
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Kick it in the guts Barry,
351 V8.

pweedas
WA, 4642 posts
6 Mar 2013 8:01PM
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cisco said...



It's funny that he says a number of times that the sealing for the combustion chambers was easy and no problem.
It was the inability to get the combustion chambers sealed which made that engine unworkable. It should have been fairly obvious that would be the case right from the beginning.
They spent years and years on it and got nowhere.
All they ended up with was a fuel injection system which although called "Orbital", had nothing to do with the actual orbital engine.
Definitely NOT Australias best engine.

elmo
WA, 8725 posts
6 Mar 2013 8:08PM
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sn said...
Mark _australia said...
sn said...
MDSXR6T said...Rebuilding them every time you fill up gets expensive though


one of our mates was going through apex seals so regularly, we (semi-seriously) told him to weld some mesh behind his exhaust so he could catch his apex seals.
stephen


3mm seals are fine to 800hp in a 13B
if he is eating up aftermarket seals in a mild engine somethign is wrong and it ain't the seals.


late 1970's, combination of a P plate driver, ex RX3 rally car drivetrain dropped into a Mazda 808, made a great Q ship for hunting toranas
I cant say it had a pampered life..



Had an RX4 which was good for hunting 8's, very easy to line them up once your car starts throwing 2ft of flame out of the exhaust.

Gotta love the old roticery you want better fuel economy? then thrash it, the warning buzzer tells you you are in the right rev range.

FormulaNova
WA, 14670 posts
6 Mar 2013 8:38PM
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pweedas said...

It's funny that he says a number of times that the sealing for the combustion chambers was easy and no problem.
It was the inability to get the combustion chambers sealed which made that engine unworkable. It should have been fairly obvious that would be the case right from the beginning.
They spent years and years on it and got nowhere.
All they ended up with was a fuel injection system which although called "Orbital", had nothing to do with the actual orbital engine.
Definitely NOT Australias best engine.


Agreed! I think everyone thinks they have a better engine design, but sadly, sometimes the old solution might be the best. Piston engines don't seem elegant, but it sure seems to work well enough.

Did Sarich really get out of the business? I thought they ended up selling the fuel/air injection setup to Ford/Mercury for 2 stroke engines.

sn
WA, 2775 posts
6 Mar 2013 9:08PM
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not quite a car engine- or the best..but 100% West Aussie

There used to be a company called "WASP ENGINEERING"

(West Australian Steel Products )

They made engines and stuff in Perth- from scratch, carbies, magneto's etc- the whole thing was made local.

They made aircompressors for farmers and light industrial use,(as well as other stuff)
The Aluminium, bronze and brass for casting was salvaged from WW2 aircraft wreckage in the north west.
A truck was fitted out as a portable foundry- they cut up the aircraft and smelted down aluminium, bronze and brass into ingots to take back to Perth.
The air compressor tanks were made from surplus aircraft bombs salvaged from Pearce airbase.
After making compressors and tyre inflating fittings- WASP made compressed air spray painting gear, degreasing spray guns, sandblasting guns and shearing handpieces.
The WASP engines were sold to local industry for gensets, lawnmowers, pumps etc.
Sadly, I doubt you could find the expertise locally these days to do anything like that.
Once import restrictions were lifted, the company could not compete with imports and eventually closed up (sound familiar)

stephen

king of the point
WA, 1836 posts
6 Mar 2013 9:13PM
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Windsor V8 5.0 L
Go Ford



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