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Pool self rescue for infants

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Created by choco > 9 months ago, 7 May 2013
choco
SA, 4024 posts
7 May 2013 9:05AM
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Amazing how young they can be taught


Gonewindsurfing247
WA, 966 posts
7 May 2013 9:18AM
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Wow, that is amazing. I didn't think it was real at first.

Chris6791
WA, 3271 posts
7 May 2013 9:18AM
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Has he been taught anything? Or is he wearing a discrete floatation suit?

Mackerel
WA, 313 posts
7 May 2013 10:32AM
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My cousin did exactly that but just sank to the bottom of the pool, ran in after I heard the splash and he was sitting on the bottom looking up a me.
Certainly didn't float on his back like that.

Dawn Patrol
WA, 1991 posts
7 May 2013 10:58AM
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I have worked in the past at a pool for many years that teaches baby lessons. Never seen a single kid that young do that unassisted. Maybe that child is a one off.

dusta
WA, 2940 posts
7 May 2013 11:02AM
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you can clearly see when the baby falls in that there is some kind of flotation in that suit .

kiteboy dave
QLD, 6525 posts
7 May 2013 1:44PM
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As a parent I find that video highly disturbing.

So much potential to go wrong.

Kid thrown in pool head first (sure didn't dive in by itself)

Kid left floating, screaming, apparently for 10 minutes.

Dunno, it might be for a good cause, but I can't say I like it.

Sailhack
VIC, 5000 posts
7 May 2013 2:16PM
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^^^ my thoughts exactly.

choco
SA, 4024 posts
7 May 2013 2:53PM
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I agree Kiteboy, this video shows a toddler actually rescuing himself who knows it says there are 788 known cases where kids have survived using this method saving one kid is worth it!
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GypsyDrifter
WA, 2371 posts
7 May 2013 2:04PM
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kiteboy dave said..
As a parent I find that video highly disturbing. So much potential to go wrong. Kid thrown in pool head first (sure didn't dive in by itself) Kid left floating, screaming, apparently for 10 minutes. Dunno, it might be for a good cause, but I can't say I like it.


Being a non parent....it's now 2 minutes after watching that and my hands are still clammy and my heart is still racing...
and it's given me a headache

Sailhack
VIC, 5000 posts
7 May 2013 4:23PM
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It's a great technique (for toddlers with the ability to learn it), but imo - is irrelevant unless you're an irresponsible parent.

We've taught our kids water safety & swimming from a young age, but I'd rather not have to teach them how to self-rescue. As a parent, that's my responsibility & no matter how well they learn it - it doesn't replace parent supervision. If toddlers have to learn & rely on this skill to survive, the parents should be locked up & the kids taken off them!

But it's a neat trick all the same & the little guy looks like he enjoys it, except for the crying bit.

Gorgo
VIC, 4952 posts
7 May 2013 5:21PM
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Why are people stressed? You know it's a movie. You know the kid is not going to come to any harm (because they would not have posted the video). It's not uncommon for infants to be comfortable in water



The question is, how did they do it? We don't see anything helpful. The kid just apparently floats face up.

GalahOnTheBay
NSW, 4188 posts
7 May 2013 6:07PM
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Sailhack said..
It's a great technique (for toddlers with the ability to learn it), but imo - is irrelevant unless you're an irresponsible parent.


Like leaving the door to the pool opened, and not having a pool fence. Oh wait, that's what they showed us in the video...

That first bit kicking to turn over looked dodgy. A few more of those, a mouthful of water and the kid would be sinking to the bottom

jsnfok
WA, 899 posts
7 May 2013 7:46PM
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the child is about 13-15 months old tho, and if they are anything like my boys they float very well especially when they are even younger

smicko
WA, 2503 posts
8 May 2013 4:31AM
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He's not wearing a floatation device it's a nappy, nor is he crying. He gets mildly pissed off for a minute but mainly he's just talking and calling his Dad.

Infants spend their developmental stages in fluid in the womb and we tear them from that natural state and wrap them in cotton wool and make them terrified of the water. Then about 4 years of age we tell them they have to get in that stuff they're scared witless of and learn how to swim.

Makes much more sense to maintain the connection with water by pouring water over their face from their very first bath, putting their face under the shower, playing water games by spitting and splashing in the shower and starting swimming lessons at eight weeks.

Both of my two youngest boys could float like that by age two, well and truly. Just as you would expect a six year old to be able to after two years of lessons.

Irresponsible parenting? No, quite the opposite.

The young'un in my avatar was two years four months in that pic, riding waves, getting worked, dusting himself off and getting back on the horse.

My oldest from my practice marriage is still terrified of a six inch wave, we didn't take the same approach with him. Unfortunately.

Macroscien
QLD, 6806 posts
8 May 2013 10:23AM
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The truth is that thousand of kids drown in swimming pools just like that every year.

One thing is fun in the water when baby could have supervised swimming lessons and fun, quite another " self rescue" which not even in this case - just a matter of time, and this kid could drown at any minute.
Rescue means that could crawl of the water, which is not a case.

Video send wrong message to parents.

Next fake, IMO baby and all other animals do swim usually on their belly not the back, here possibly the floating device is used which even more obscure the truth.

Chris6791
WA, 3271 posts
8 May 2013 1:15PM
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It's a good thing the toddler isn't wearing a 'death-leash', it could have been a disaster

dusta
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8 May 2013 2:05PM
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smicko said...

Both of my two youngest boys could float like that by age two, well and truly. Just as you would expect a six year old to be able to after two years of lessons.



see this is where i fail to see the link between your kids being able to float in a pool with no doubt a pair of swimmers on and this baby who has a full body suit on . The weight of that suit fully wet would be enough to drag the kid underwater . My 2 year old can hold her breath under water and has been swimming since she was 6 months old but would still sink to the bottom of the pool .

slammin
QLD, 991 posts
8 May 2013 5:55PM
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+1 I didn't see any self rescue.

I think the idea that any kid can float is a joke, Some body types like mine and my kids just can't float on our backs. When I try to float my legs sink like stones and I take the drowned man floating just beneath the surface pose. My kids do exactly the same. That's why we have gates and they have all learnt to swim.

BTW the screwiest thing in that video is the father leaving his kid there calling out for +5 minutes, at the end the kids face isn't happy it's just relief.
Geeze thanks Dad ya F___ckwit! VIDEO YOURSELF NEXT TIME AND LEAVE ME THE F__CK ALONE!!

Little Jon
NSW, 2115 posts
8 May 2013 9:08PM
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After having two boys start swimming lessons at 12 months, I think the child has flotation, babies just don't float like that. I also find the video disturbing, I don't remember doing any training like that.

Chris6791
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8 May 2013 7:54PM
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dusta said...
smicko said...

Both of my two youngest boys could float like that by age two, well and truly. Just as you would expect a six year old to be able to after two years of lessons.



see this is where i fail to see the link between your kids being able to float in a pool with no doubt a pair of swimmers on and this baby who has a full body suit on . The weight of that suit fully wet would be enough to drag the kid underwater . My 2 year old can hold her breath under water and has been swimming since she was 6 months old but would still sink to the bottom of the pool .


That's why I think the suit is helping the kid with some sort of buoyancy. It doesn't seem to be pulling him down at all. It looks a little suspicious to me.

theDoctor
NSW, 5778 posts
8 May 2013 10:56PM
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should have tied a brick to its foot

youngbull
QLD, 825 posts
8 May 2013 11:19PM
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theDoctor said..





should have tied a brick to its foot


Really? You have way to much time on your hand Dr.

kiteboy dave, you nailed this one.

smicko
WA, 2503 posts
8 May 2013 9:42PM
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No, they are trained to float in a grow suit, that's the whole point of the exercise. And the self rescue term is just wanky swim instructor talk for a kid keeping itself afloat long enough for you to fish it out of the water, at this age at any rate.

There's a very big difference between starting swimming lessons at six or twelve months and starting at birth. Six to twelve months is a lifetime when you're a newborn.

Think of how a child develops physically in its first twelve months, it goes from being a squirming rug dweller to running around the place (Well ours did at least because we didn't phuck them over by carrying them everywhere and sticking them in walkers and jolly jumpers, it's more labour intensive than raising a couch potato with a gaming remote in each hand but the results speak for themselves) Why is it so hard to fathom a child developing on a similar level in the water.

In fact the two mediums work in unison and lead to faster development of gross motor skills than is possible to achieve singularly.

But what would I know, I'm only speaking from experience. And just quietly I had no idea either until Manhands edumacated me in the art of child development.

As that old advert says 'It is an art worth your learning.'

dusta
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8 May 2013 10:41PM
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smicko said..



No, they are trained to float in a grow suit, that's the whole point of the exercise. And the self rescue term is just wanky swim instructor talk for a kid keeping itself afloat long enough for you to fish it out of the water, at this age at any rate.

There's a very big difference between starting swimming lessons at six or twelve months and starting at birth. Six to twelve months is a lifetime when you're a newborn.

Think of how a child develops physically in its first twelve months, it goes from being a squirming rug dweller to running around the place (Well ours did at least because we didn't phuck them over by carrying them everywhere and sticking them in walkers and jolly jumpers, it's more labour intensive than raising a couch potato with a gaming remote in each hand but the results speak for themselves) Why is it so hard to fathom a child developing on a similar level in the water.

In fact the two mediums work in unison and lead to faster development of gross motor skills than is possible to achieve singularly.

But what would I know, I'm only speaking from experience. And just quietly I had no idea either until Manhands edumacated me in the art of child development.

As that old advert says 'It is an art worth your learning.'


i am not saying you don't know what you are talking about , i am saying that there is NO way a child of that age could float in a pool if that was simply a suit . The video is the OP is a fake . And to say that a child should be up and walking by 12 months well we all know that every child develops at a different rate . We didn't baby ours but some things she did quicker and some things slower than other kids

smicko
WA, 2503 posts
8 May 2013 11:47PM
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You're wrong, they can float, I've seen it. Not on film.

And YES, they should be up and about by twelve months. If they're not it's our responsibility for not giving them the opportunity to learn these essential skills. Just the same as if they are unable to read by the time they reach primary school.

The human race has been evolving physically, mentally and spiritually for millennia. It's only in the last couple of generations we've been using technology for a crutch and de-evolving.

choco
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9 May 2013 7:24AM
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slammin said..

+1 I didn't see any self rescue.

I think the idea that any kid can float is a joke, Some body types like mine and my kids just can't float on our backs. When I try to float my legs sink like stones and I take the drowned man floating just beneath the surface pose. My kids do exactly the same. That's why we have gates and they have all learnt to swim.

BTW the screwiest thing in that video is the father leaving his kid there calling out for +5 minutes, at the end the kids face isn't happy it's just relief.
Geeze thanks Dad ya F___ckwit! VIDEO YOURSELF NEXT TIME AND LEAVE ME THE F__CK ALONE!!


at 1.44 self rescue

GalahOnTheBay
NSW, 4188 posts
9 May 2013 11:02AM
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slammin said..

I think the idea that any kid can float is a joke, Some body types like mine and my kids just can't float on our backs.


The more "well padded" you are, the better you float.

Younger babies float better, but as they get older 1.5 to 3 years some kids just can't float due to their body shape.

I'm not saying the kids that can't float are too skinny, but maybe I am saying they are witches / warlocks.

tmurray
WA, 485 posts
9 May 2013 9:32AM
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It takes seconds for a kid to drown and it's normally silent.
I have no problem with people swimming with their children - but you should always be within arms reach of a toddler. Yeah sure teach them how to roll onto their back and float - but don't test it out while you're on the other side of a pool holding a video camera!
And who the f*%^$ leaves their kid floating on their back in obvious discomfort for several minutes just to get something to post on you tube. Bet that kid HATES the pool now.

Dawn Patrol
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9 May 2013 11:00AM
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tmurray said..

It takes seconds for a kid to drown and it's normally silent.
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That is very true. Every little kid ive seen nearly drown goes straight under. There is no splashing or noise, it is just in the pool and to the bottom. It is pretty scary

longwinded
WA, 344 posts
9 May 2013 11:44AM
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We took my daughter to lessons when she was 12weeks old. By 6months she was able to float like the kid in the video no probs.
She is now just turned 4 and can duck dive to the bottom of the local pool at 2m deep and retrieve an object. But even now if we are swimming and she gets tired she rolls on her back, tilts her head back with a body down angle of about 30-40 degrees and rests for a few minutes.
Given we have such a water oriented lifestyle thought it imperative that she is confident around water. Not only that, one hour of swimming equals bedtime of 7pm and sawing trees till at least 7am.



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