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barn
WA, 2960 posts
14 Nov 2011 7:04PM
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Bigwavedave said...



They are christians you numb nut. Probably more christian than any other professed 'christian' religion.



HAhahaha I knew you were one (or a sympathizer) when you posted that earlier comment, for some reason I decided not to call you out on it..

It was the whole, vague attack on ALL the people who have ever posted, claiming everything posted is 99% sh1t, but not actually commenting on anything in particular..


I watched them rebuild houses after the Charleville floods in 1991 for people, free of charge, and not just their own church members.


Are they building houses to help the disadvantaged, or to impress their God?..

"I'm going to go help people so God will think I'm a good person and grant me access to Heaven"- Witness


Some of you 'free-thinkers' on this forum are turning out to be just red-necks with blind opinions, spruking alleged conversations that are misremembered.


Well my buddy Flysurfer is not quite a 'freethinker' but more of a 'loose thinker'.. So I'll pretend you are addressing this towards me..

My particular conversation was replicated word for word, I remember this stuff, the guy even thought I was Christian because of my knowledge of the Bible. I remember all this stuff because I find religious people fascinatingly dull and highly entertaining..

And it was all correct, from wiki (sorry Doggie another copypaste)

WIKI - Witnesses believe there are two destinations for those saved by God. They interpret Revelation 14:1–5 to mean that the number of Christians going to heaven is limited to exactly 144,000, who will rule with Jesus as kings and priests over earth. The remainder hope to live forever in an earthly paradise.[159] Jehovah's Witnesses teach that only they meet scriptural requirements for surviving Armageddon, but that God is the final judge.[160][161][162] During the millennium, most other people who died since the time of Abel and before Armageddon will be resurrected with the prospect of living forever; they will be taught the proper way to worship God to prepare them for their final test before the end of the millennium.

So yes, only 144,000 people go to Heaven and he was staying on Earth, forever..

The second point in bold is nice, that's a lot of resurrected farking Zombies!!

So Witnesses are just as deluded as the rest.

And don't call me a 'Redneck' with blind opinions, I'm know religions better than religious people.. (If religious people knew religion they wouldn't be religious people)

cantswm4sht
VIC, 411 posts
14 Nov 2011 10:06PM
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sounds like a load of s*** to me

Chris_M said...




Hopefully this clears a few things up...



Gwendy
SA, 472 posts
14 Nov 2011 9:44PM
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Bigwavedave said...

FlySurfer said...

I *unfortunately have good eidetic memory, so while I might have been able to get them off my property without them being able to register a single world... they flashed their free book/magazine in my face and now www.watchtower.org/ is lodged.

I actually thought they were Christians; I was going to add my bit to this purposeless thread when tap tap Ctrl + Enter > checked the site and they're Jehovah's.




They are christians you numb nut. Probably more christian than any other professed 'christian' religion.

Take off your bigotted goggles and google the work they do in under-developed countries. Was an eye-opener to me.

I watched them rebuild houses after the Charleville floods in 1991 for people, free of charge, and not just their own church members.

Some of you 'free-thinkers' on this forum are turning out to be just red-necks with blind opinions, spruking alleged conversations that are misremembered.




Bigwavedave is, as usual, 100% correct.

cantswm4, you are little more that a petty thief

Bigwavedave
QLD, 2057 posts
14 Nov 2011 9:20PM
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No I am not one but part of my studies has been to investigate the doctrines of may faiths. I believe everyone is entitled to worship whoever they want the way they want as long as it doesn't encroach on the rights of others to disbelieve.

Does it get you off to ridicule the beliefs of others and discount their beliefs as crap?

I was enjoying your banter on other threads but now you have proved yourself as narrow minded as the rest.

'Love, kindness, compassion and tolerance are qualities common to all the great religions, and whether or not we follow any particular religious tradition, the benefits of love and kindness are obvious to anyone.' Dalai Lama




poor relative
WA, 9089 posts
14 Nov 2011 7:23PM
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japie
NSW, 6934 posts
14 Nov 2011 10:36PM
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I am not sorry if this offends. Having had Catholicism jammed down my throat by no less than four sadistic pedophiles for four years then suffered under a Methodist regime I have reached the conclusion that George Carlin is right, religion is a hoax. It is sponsered by the power mongers and sells us the message that if we put up with untold crap here we get a ticket to eternity.

It supresses our true spirituality and benefits a few. The whole bangshoot are frauds. If they weren't they would be leading mass demonstrations of christians against war. Thou shall not kill. Remember that one?

Go George!

cantswm4sht
VIC, 411 posts
14 Nov 2011 10:53PM
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Bigwavedave is, as usual, 100% correct.

cantswm4, you are little more that a petty thief

All I can say is. (quoted from the bible,)
"Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone"

Bigwavedave
QLD, 2057 posts
14 Nov 2011 10:16PM
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Most western democratic countries have in their constitutions a protection of the right to freedom of religion.

While our constitution doesn't entitle us to the right to freedom of speech, it does guarantee the right to worship as one chooses.The US constitution mentions freedom of religion even before freedom of speech.

Why do you think that religious rights have to be guaranteed in nations' constitutions? Because the first thing that dictatorships, military regimes and atheistic tyrannies do is try to control peoples' religious and spiritual beliefs.

Humans have a fundamental instinct to worship something and also an evil instinct to bully and control those who are weaker.

Someone's attempt at ridiculing the religious beliefs of others shows that they are succumbing to the base instincts of humans. ie To attempt to control others' beliefs by mocking and denegrating them. (bullying)

This is a form of discrimination and is no different to racism. Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Idi Amin, Col. Gadaffi, Pol Pot, Sadam Hussein, most Arabic countries and the former USSR all try/tried to control or eradicate the religiuos and spiritual beliefs of their people.

When you crtiticise someones religion or their method of expressing their spirituality you are starting on the slippery slope that is bigotry, hatred and ultimately evil.

If I offended any poster here I apologise, but I am passionate about freedom of expression and discrimination of any sort.

barn
WA, 2960 posts
14 Nov 2011 8:17PM
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Bigwavedave said...

No I am not one but part of my studies has been to investigate the doctrines of may faiths. I believe everyone is entitled to worship whoever they want the way they want as long as it doesn't encroach on the rights of others to disbelieve.


Sure people can worship whatever they like, but just keep it to themselves and don't let it hurt anybody... Now how can you also defend the Witnesses, who actively preach to poor Busta on the weekend??

Just because they build some houses, doesn't give them the right to knock on peoples door spreading their mind virus..

From your studies, are you are aware that the Jehovah deny blood transfusions to their dying children?


Does it get you off to ridicule the beliefs of others and discount their beliefs as crap?


Only as much as I enjoy any good argument. If people truly believe what they believe then they should be able to handle me scrutinizing their ideologies to 100% of my abilities..

If people find my questions to difficult to the point of becoming uncomfortable, then there is something inherently wrong with their belief system!! Not my questions..

This whole notion that we should respect peoples beliefs is madness, question everything..


I was enjoying your banter on other threads but now you have proved yourself as narrow minded as the rest.


hahah cheers, you gotta take the good with the bad I suppose. I didn't actually think you were a Jehovah, I just wasn't surprised when you stood up for them..


'Love, kindness, compassion and tolerance are qualities common to all the great religions, and whether or not we follow any particular religious tradition, the benefits of love and kindness are obvious to anyone.' Dalai Lama


1st, the Dalai Lama is a douchebag!! What exactly did he do to deserve any position of authority?? Why does anybody listen to him??

Love, kindness, compassion and tolerance are qualities common to humans (and many other animals)..

Tolerance, there are thousands of things we don't tolerate..









cantswm4sht
VIC, 411 posts
14 Nov 2011 11:20PM
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Here's food for thought, What if Im the 1% who made it up,
Just to see how narrow minded people could be / maybe just for a laugh,
And I'm laughing hard

Or If I really did it, I would be more than just a petty thief,
Id be an honest petty thief,
So quick are you to judge,



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Bigwavedave said...

One thing I love about reading threads on seabreeze.

99% (estimate) of what is said is total sh1t.

The other 1% is just made up stories.


busterwa
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14 Nov 2011 8:20PM
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Bigwave are you must be a Jehovah.. Look i appreciate your cult etc but when it interferes with the daily running of my houseold i dont appreciate it..
Lets get this straight I did my research and it is not appreciated some ****head preacher coming to my house on a Sunday morning waking up everyone.

Go annoy some other ****.
If i was narrow minded i would of punch poor preacher boy and mate in the head and dragged them both of my property by the hair

Bigwavedave
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14 Nov 2011 10:33PM
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If I was would I be living in 'sin' with my girlfriend??[}:)] Would I be quoting the Dalai Lama? Would I be having a lovely white Christmas this year?

I've just had the opportunity to explore many belief systems through my studies.

I don't answer the door when they call. They go away after a few seconds. If they catch me in the yard I say a polite 'no thanks' and they move on.

They are following what they believe to be the way for them, the same as Muslims must say their prayers, Mormons do two years service, Catholics celebrate mass, SDA's have sabbaths and I go kitesurfing. It's their connection with their spiritual life and the 'creator'.

If you don't want them to call ask them to put you on 'the list'. It worked for my dad. He also gets irritated by visitors on a Sunday morning. They've never been back.

Tolerance is under-rated.

barn
WA, 2960 posts
14 Nov 2011 8:42PM
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Bigwavedave said...

Most western democratic countries have in their constitutions a protection of the right to freedom of religion.

While our constitution doesn't entitle us to the right to freedom of speech, it does guarantee the right to worship as one chooses.The US constitution mentions freedom of religion even before freedom of speech.


Do people have the right to deny Blood transfusions? Undertake genital mutilation of their daughters? Prohibit bedroom activities of consenting adults?

I can go on..


Why do you think that religious rights have to be guaranteed in nations' constitutions? Because the first thing that dictatorships, military regimes and atheistic tyrannies do is try to control peoples' religious and spiritual beliefs.


Religious freedoms must be protected from other religious persecution. Look at whats happening in Pakistan and those other countries, Religious minorities get persecuted by religious majorities..

Atheistic tyrannies? While many terrible acts have been committed by regimes without a state religion, they aren't done in the name of Atheism. In these cases the State is the religion, that is why competing religions get the boot. Look at North Korea, they worship Kim, they don't sit around reading Charles Darwin..


Humans have a fundamental instinct to worship something and also an evil instinct to bully and control those who are weaker.


No we don't! We are gullible at a young age, and the major faiths have become very efficient at indoctrination.. Look at Iceland, perfectly happy without worship/.


Someone's attempt at ridiculing the religious beliefs of others shows that they are succumbing to the base instincts of humans. ie To attempt to control others' beliefs by mocking and denegrating them. (bullying)


If I criticize somebodies belief in astrology, or their stance on protecting Tasmanian forests, am I attempting to control them? NO!.. Then why is questioning Religious beliefs any different?

It's an intelectual position, like any other.. Intelectual positions are there to be challenged...


This is a form of discrimination and is no different to racism. Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Idi Amin, Col. Gadaffi, Pol Pot, Sadam Hussein, most Arabic countries and the former USSR all try/tried to control or eradicate the religiuos and spiritual beliefs of their people.


No Racism is far worse than questioning an intelectual stance.

And you can't compare a few jokes about Jehovahs to Totalitarian dictatorships suppressing their citizens..


When you crtiticise someones religion or their method of expressing their spirituality you are starting on the slippery slope that is bigotry, hatred and ultimately evil.


What if their method of expressing their spirituality is flying into buildings?

Respecting religious beliefs at all costs is a slippery slope to being blown up or burned at the stake..


If I offended any poster here I apologise, but I am passionate about freedom of expression and discrimination of any sort.


So why are you against the criticism of religion?

Find the most Pious nation in the world Saudi Arabia or Pakistan, and look at their record of protecting freedoms and discrimination.. Those Theocracies are religion without restraint.. The mild forms of Christianity are only mild after hundreds of years of post enlightenment mockery by people like me..

Look at the pope, once a warlord, now a weirdo in a cape..


Silence
NSW, 123 posts
14 Nov 2011 11:44PM
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I agree with the freedom of thought.
I used to be really anty-priests a few years back, but I came to realize that as long as believing in something makes you happy, then you should do it.

BUT:

only as long as you don't limit other people's life (banning some kind of food from a school, a club or any public place, forcing to modify screenplays (it happened, at least in my country)

and i don't think it's really a good thing that they limit their own chances to enjoy life.. as "can't get blood transfusions" (jeohwa's) or "can't eat an hot dog" (muslims)
but that is up to them, and as long as they don't force other people to follow their beliefs, it's ok.

(I still, on occasions, pull out pranks like the goat one, but I'd do the same for door to door salesman, it's just the wrong place at the right time )

log man
VIC, 8289 posts
14 Nov 2011 11:46PM
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good to see Flysurfer out himself as a Jew Hater

barn
WA, 2960 posts
14 Nov 2011 8:57PM
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Bigwavedave said...


Tolerance is under-rated.


Overrated!

They think I'm going to hell, why should I tolerate that?

Racism, does that deserve tolerance? Homophobia or indoctrination?

Should we tolerate the Honor killings?

I think this sums up the respect for religions haha.. This guy has the funniest rants.


superlizard
VIC, 702 posts
15 Nov 2011 8:12AM
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Wow... how is that this thread is still live...


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at least door-2-door witnesses will leave when you ask them... if you want to talk about intrusion of privacy how about those [insert some foreign country here] telemarketers... or even door-2-door salesmen... those fkrs don't want to leave even when you ask them...

Bigwavedave
QLD, 2057 posts
15 Nov 2011 8:44AM
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I don't have a religious opinion. Just acknowledge that other people have the right to without ridicule.

superlizard
VIC, 702 posts
15 Nov 2011 10:19AM
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agreed.

true religion (if you really want to use that term), is about having a doctrine and a freedom of choice. Same as atheism - it's also a religion as you require certain assumptions/beliefs. Therefore one should be free to believe what they want as long as it causes no harm to other human beings. If a religion imposes mandatory rules and physical punishment etc, it's no longer a true religion. There are religions that teach God created beeings and gave them a freedom of choice. If that wasn't so then he would have made robots. Freedom of choice for everyone (without harm to others), and all actions lead to consequences eventually...

barn
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15 Nov 2011 7:37AM
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superlizard said...

Wow... how is that this thread is still live...

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The carbon Tax debates are all political, same as the Bali boy, Shark Attack response and Global Convergence..

It's pretty hard to hold any conversation without any politics and religious element.

I thought that 'rule' was to stop the Jehovahs starting trying to convert!!



Bigwavedave said...

I don't have a religious opinion. Just acknowledge that other people have the right to without ridicule.


Who made up this rule? Petermac thinks we were put here by Aliens and there is mind control agents in our water supply, is he protected from ridicule also?..

We tolerate him holding these views, but the moment he starts trying to impose his ideologies onto anybody else he waves his right to not be mocked..


superlizard said...

agreed.

true religion (if you really want to use that term), is about having a doctrine and a freedom of choice. Same as atheism - it's also a religion as you require certain assumptions/beliefs.


No it's not, the lack of a belief in a God is not a religion!. Thats absurd.

I don't believe in Santa or the Superman, this is also not a religion.. I don't believe in Santa because there is no evidence for him and a very large amount of evidence suggests he doesn't exist..

Therefore one should be free to believe what they want as long as it causes no harm to other human beings.


Fair enough, but why aren't we allowed to laugh? you can make a rule that something isn't funny!!..

If a religion imposes mandatory rules and physical punishment etc, it's no longer a true religion. There are religions that teach God created beeings and gave them a freedom of choice. If that wasn't so then he would have made robots. Freedom of choice for everyone (without harm to others), and all actions lead to consequences eventually...


True Religion? every religion imposes mandatory rules and physical punishment. You aren't allowed to covert thy neighbors wife, and your daughter will be stoned to death if her new husband finds out she isn't a virgin.. Are you now claiming Christianity is not a religion?..


This whole notion of respecting peoples beliefs is nonsense, why should I.. The moment somebody demands respect for their beliefs is the moment they don't deserve any..

superlizard
VIC, 702 posts
15 Nov 2011 10:51AM
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but isn't everybody here trying to convert everybody else to conform to their own opinion?

K Dog
VIC, 1847 posts
15 Nov 2011 11:29AM
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Enjoyable read. I like a good argument about religion.

Dawkins is a good read from the other side of the argument. Anyone read his work?

Surprised this hasn't been shut down like all the other religious threads.

superlizard
VIC, 702 posts
15 Nov 2011 11:34AM
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barn said...
superlizard said...

agreed.
true religion (if you really want to use that term), is about having a doctrine and a freedom of choice. Same as atheism - it's also a religion as you require certain assumptions/beliefs.

No it's not, the lack of a belief in a God is not a religion!. Thats absurd.



no, i meant atheism as in evolution, same as creation/god - eventually hits a dead end where you require some belief. Neither you can completely prove with evidence.


True Religion? every religion imposes mandatory rules and physical punishment. You aren't allowed to covert thy neighbors wife, and your daughter will be stoned to death if her new husband finds out she isn't a virgin.. Are you now claiming Christianity is not a religion?..

You haven't explored all religions then. I've came across some that have guidelines, but no physical punishment.


This whole notion of respecting peoples beliefs is nonsense, why should I.. The moment somebody demands respect for their beliefs is the moment they don't deserve any..


So really you are then saying we shouldn't respect your belief that people's beliefs don't need to be respected... That is the key ingredient for society to start heading down the slope - no respect for anything...


pierrec45
NSW, 2005 posts
15 Nov 2011 11:37AM
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Bigwavedave said...
Tolerance is under-rated.

Says the poster who calls others narrow-minded, racists and rednecks.
He must be a religious man indeed.

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
15 Nov 2011 8:45AM
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It has to be said, BOOBIES (.(.)

Chris6791
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15 Nov 2011 8:52AM
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A worthy and insightful input as always Doggie.

barn
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15 Nov 2011 9:07AM
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superlizard said...


no, i meant atheism as in evolution, same as creation/god - eventually hits a dead end where you require some belief. Neither you can completely prove with evidence.


Ahh ok, yes thats true evolution does hit a 'dead end' where we can't completely prove anything.. That does not mean there is a 50% chance of each being correct..

We don't know what causes Gravity, but we know it's not invisible Ghosts pulling at our legs..

Perhaps en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis is one, but just because we don't know exactly, doesn't mean that there is equal chance that life was started by natural Chemistry or by the Rainbow Serpent..



You haven't explored all religions then. I've came across some that have guidelines, but no physical punishment.


Ohh I'm sure there are some nice religions that don't do all the naughty stuff, but you can't say that the ones who are naughty aren't true religions.. I'm defending their right to be 'True Religions' also..




So really you are then saying we shouldn't respect your belief that people's beliefs don't need to be respected... That is the key ingredient for society to start heading down the slope - no respect for anything...



Yes! my opinion that beliefs shouldn't be respected, shouldn't be respected until I put forward evidence to support this notion!..

Belief in religious terms is Faith, and Faith by definition is believing something without any evidence..

How can anybody respect somebody who believes in something without any evidence? It goes against everything our critical thinking teaches us..

Here is Stephen Fry on the subject, (the other voice is unmistakably Christopher Hitchens)



( . )( . )( . ) Total Recall



superlizard
VIC, 702 posts
15 Nov 2011 12:32PM
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barn said...
How can anybody respect somebody who believes in something without any evidence? It goes against everything our critical thinking teaches us..


Very true.
The key is to be very careful about making claims that a particular subject/topic/theory etc lacks any evidence. One would have had to do a thorough/complete research of any oposing arguments and show proof that either one does not have any evidence.

even using terms such as "Rainbow Serpent" to me demonstrates one sidedness and not approaching ideas with open mind but just using opportunity to mock something. Just because most religions sheepishly claim about white bearded god creating planet with a magic wand, doesn't mean that there isn't a valid intellectual argument about intelligence behind complexities of life as opposed to random chance.

for example, i've seen some very plausible in-depth scientific analysis to support evolution. But i've also seen some equally very plausible in-depth scientific analysis to point towards case of intelligent designer. I'm not claiming which one is more valid than the other, but i fully recognise that both sides of the argument have very valid claims backed up by science/logic etc.

What are we arguing about again?!!

ah, thats right, who's got more boobs:

( . )( . )
( . )( . ) dairy


( . )( . )( . )( . )( . )( . )
( . )( . )( . )( . )( . )( . ) pork

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
15 Nov 2011 9:39AM
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Chris6791 said...

A worthy and insightful input as always Doggie.


Thank you so much

Woodo
WA, 792 posts
15 Nov 2011 9:57AM
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Worship or Believe in whatever you like. It's your life. Do what you want.
Just don't push your****** religion on anyone else! Simple really.

(.Y.)



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