A young boy went missing over the weekend in the Northern Territory. The Police Tactical Response Group have so far shot and killed 2 large crocodiles while searching for the boys remains. WHERE ARE ALL THE PROTESTERS?
4000 people turned up at Cottesloe beach a few weeks back to protest a 'cull' here in WA. NSW and Queensland have been netting and drum lining since the 1950's. WHAT HAVE ALL THE PROTESTERS BEEN DOING FOR THE LAST 60 YEARS?
The media published photos of a large tiger shark hooked alongside a fishing boat and 'environmentalists' and celebrities from all over the world have been chiming in and condemning the practice. WHERE ARE ALL THESE PEOPLE WHEN THOUSANDS OF FISH ARE HOOKED DAILY AND ARE LEFT GASPING AND SLOWLY DYING IN A BUCKET. Why is it cruel if a fish is 3m long, yet perfectly acceptable for something smaller?
This is NOT a cull. Its a mitigation strategy to remove large, potentially dangerous sharks from areas highly populated by humans
Why don't we have protests against commercial overfishing, pollution, domestic violence, poverty, alcohol related violence and drug related crime? One would argue that each would be a more noble cause than following the ignorant, ill-advised herd.
Since when have humans populated oceans
If you want to reduce the risks, at a very cheap price, then the obvious solution is dont go in da wata
So, what'll be the next apex predator to appear that will need a culling in the next few years?
At this rate the apex predator will be the blow fish in a coupla years . Now that's a cull I'd get behind!
Its OK to kill a heap of blowies but not a shark? Its their home remember...
The rape and pillage commercial blokes are killing far more sharks than a few drum lines but the eco terrorists want media attention i guess.
Still waiting for the anti-brigade to address the established science:
www2.dpi.qld.gov.au/extra/pdf/fishweb/sharksafetyreport.pdf
Try and remain objective instead of emotional in your replies.
I've taken into account the missing swimmer at mullaloo who was an experienced surfer in waist deep water........also several drownings down south bodies not recovered.......
There is actually no evidence he even entered the water. His clothes were found at the beach thats it.. I spoke with cops and rescue groups doing beach walks. They all said the same thing, it was very strange..
Remind me if i ever want to nock someone off to dump their clothes at the beach
I've a mate that used to surf every day on the Gold Coast. Every day. Total addict. You know the type. He was able to go along on one of the boats that service the nets and drum lines one day, about five years ago.
He hasn't been in the water since.
I've another friend that works on trawlers in SE Qld. He doesn't go in the water either.
Why the fuss over the WA sharks? Are they more special? Are the people less spec... oh.
So, what'll be the next apex predator to appear that will need a culling in the next few years?
The Murdochs.
I've taken into account the missing swimmer at mullaloo who was an experienced surfer in waist deep water........also several drownings down south bodies not recovered.......
There is actually no evidence he even entered the water. His clothes were found at the beach thats it.. I spoke with cops and rescue groups doing beach walks. They all said the same thing, it was very strange..
Remind me if i ever want to nock someone off to dump their clothes at the beach
www2.dpi.qld.gov.au/extra/pdf/fishweb/sharksafetyreport.pdf
It's a media beat up and we just get carried away with it, this stupid statement comparing drownings which are a big killer to shark attacks. ABC!
I've taken into account the missing swimmer at mullaloo who was an experienced surfer in waist deep water........also several drownings down south bodies not recovered.......
There is actually no evidence he even entered the water. His clothes were found at the beach thats it.. I spoke with cops and rescue groups doing beach walks. They all said the same thing, it was very strange..
Remind me if i ever want to nock someone off to dump their clothes at the beach
Wrong jb, someone gave evidence saying said they'd seen him in waist deep water, as Razzonater said.
Between always being available to chat to those in the know at the scene of unfolding dramas; typing and phoning queries and complaints all around the planet; and talking on this forum, it's a wonder you getting any work done.
I've taken into account the missing swimmer at mullaloo who was an experienced surfer in waist deep water........also several drownings down south bodies not recovered.......
There is actually no evidence he even entered the water. His clothes were found at the beach thats it.. I spoke with cops and rescue groups doing beach walks. They all said the same thing, it was very strange..
Remind me if i ever want to nock someone off to dump their clothes at the beach
Wrong jb, someone gave evidence saying said they'd seen him in waist deep water, as Razzonater said.
Between always being available to chat to those in the know at the scene of unfolding dramas; typing and phoning queries and complaints all around the planet; and talking on this forum, it's a wonder you getting any work done.
Yeah lucky i work for myself..
I didn't hear about any witness..
Posters were all over from Quinns to Mullaloo and south. Its hard not to ask whats happening when State Emergency Services walk past me on the beach and say hi. Their Northern base is directly over the road and i have known a few for over 10 years now..
But still a long bow to say he was eaten by a shark..
The fear of attack is real, i don't argue that, but i don't support making up stuff just to help a unpopular political ploy..
...but i don't support making up stuff...
Yes you do, it's your forte.
www2.dpi.qld.gov.au/extra/pdf/fishweb/sharksafetyreport.pdf
I've a mate that used to surf every day on the Gold Coast. Every day. Total addict. You know the type. He was able to go along on one of the boats that service the nets and drum lines one day, about five years ago.
He hasn't been in the water since.
I've another friend that works on trawlers in SE Qld. He doesn't go in the water either.
Why the fuss over the WA sharks? Are they more special? Are the people less spec... oh.
So even with nets & drums in place ya mate is still to scared to surf ???
That's a phobia issue.
Having said that , if there were spiders in the ocean I would never go in the sea.
www2.dpi.qld.gov.au/extra/pdf/fishweb/sharksafetyreport.pdf
Amazing! If you swim in a completely netted off beach your chance of being eaten by a shark is almost, but not quite, zero.
www2.dpi.qld.gov.au/extra/pdf/fishweb/sharksafetyreport.pdf
Amazing! If you swim in a completely netted off beach your chance of being eaten by a shark is almost, but not quite, zero.
D-
Try again.
The info on the drum lining blows all of your shark-hugger's hype out of the water, so to speak.
www2.dpi.qld.gov.au/extra/pdf/fishweb/sharksafetyreport.pdf
Amazing! If you swim in a completely netted off beach your chance of being eaten by a shark is almost, but not quite, zero.
D-
Try again.
The info on the drum lining blows all of your shark-hugger's hype out of the water, so to speak.
Could you perhaps then quote the relevant information specific to drum lining only and how that would relate to the methods being employed by the WA government?
Still waiting for the anti-brigade to address the established science:
www2.dpi.qld.gov.au/extra/pdf/fishweb/sharksafetyreport.pdf
Try and remain objective instead of emotional in your replies.
Hard to argue with this !!!
So much so I'm surprised all state governments haven't followed this obviously successful program?
www2.dpi.qld.gov.au/extra/pdf/fishweb/sharksafetyreport.pdf
Amazing! If you swim in a completely netted off beach your chance of being eaten by a shark is almost, but not quite, zero.
D-
Try again.
The info on the drum lining blows all of your shark-hugger's hype out of the water, so to speak.
Could you perhaps then quote the relevant information specific to drum lining only and how that would relate to the methods being employed by the WA government?
Already did, go back to page 17 of the shark protest thread.
I don't care about any science the bleeding hearts will put up here. I just reckon it's great to see some sharks die. I don't care which ones or size it anything. Just shoot it. I caught a Spanish mackerel on the weekend and everyone said great job. Catch a shark and people cry. I am hoping one a day. Don't think about it, just shoot it. So long as they put a good, serious dent in the numbers!!
I don't care about any science the bleeding hearts will put up here. I just reckon it's great to see some sharks die. I don't care which ones or size it anything. Just shoot it. I caught a Spanish mackerel on the weekend and everyone said great job. Catch a shark and people cry. I am hoping one a day. Don't think about it, just shoot it. So long as they put a good, serious dent in the numbers!!
Very mature opinion champ we need more young champs like you, maybe one day you will grow up and see that there are other things living on our planet other than you. In my profession I meet more people that want to see sharks, fish and wild animals than people like you that wants to kill any type or size you would be the odd one out!..... One day you might grow up and realise if everyone was like you we would have nothing left to appreciate that's wild.
Actually my apologies. The bloke above is right. My contribution there was pretty poor. Truthfully I believe the action taken is appropriate but obviously some scientific management needs to be used, obviously. To be truthfully even as passionate as I am about this issue, I'm just sick to death if the discussion. Obviously I should not have contributed then with that attitude. I just thought bugger it... Even I am sick if hearing it on here.
Most of u shark huggers are so far up ya causes arskahole you dont even get irony/humour/sarcasm
The odd shark will get impaled on a hook, no dolphins turtles or whales...but if sharks are so freakn rare then not many will commit hara kiri on the size 14 hook will they
....destroty the ecosystem .......really.......really!!! Cmon
late starter... i think you are spot on with your comments. Should we mention the culling of thousands of kangaroos, our internationally treasured animal.
Give it a break you uninformed do gooders and lets see if shark management in WA can be as successful as it is in QLD.
I am very surprised at all the Shark Haters considering this is Seabreeze and everyone loves the water, they just don't like what is in it.
www.buzzfeed.com/awesomer/20-things-that-kill-more-people-than-sharks-every?s=mobile
www2.dpi.qld.gov.au/extra/pdf/fishweb/sharksafetyreport.pdf
Interesting report from 2006 - wonder how current it is now 8 years later.
I liked this bit in particular from 16 years ago.....
and dolphin??? by Gribble et al 1998 supports the fact that the program is not a major contributor to
any decline in vulnerable or threatened species.
Personally i don't think there is any great risk in me getting taken by a shark.
I've played in just about all the oceans all round the world for the last 40 years and survived to tell the tale. The old man did the same but for 80 years he was OK until he died of lung cancer.
I don't support the drum lines or a cull of sharks so i can play safely. I like the risk and the odds are stacked in my favour - but i doubt i'll be crying because a few 3m+ white pointers are taken out of the game
I don't care about any science the bleeding hearts will put up here. I just reckon it's great to see some sharks die. I don't care which ones or size it anything. Just shoot it. I caught a Spanish mackerel on the weekend and everyone said great job. Catch a shark and people cry. I am hoping one a day. Don't think about it, just shoot it. So long as they put a good, serious dent in the numbers!!
Very mature opinion champ we need more young champs like you, maybe one day you will grow up and see that there are other things living on our planet other than you. In my profession I meet more people that want to see sharks, fish and wild animals than people like you that wants to kill any type or size you would be the odd one out!..... One day you might grow up and realise if everyone was like you we would have nothing left to appreciate that's wild.
Do you talk to them about the east coast Drum and nets, take them to see them....remove baits etc.
Not saying for or against but PP's right, the conversation has gone on too long and most aside from the most passionate on both sides are over it.
Something does need to be done, is this right....hmm....not sure....we'll see, should we be working on other solutions also though rather than focussing on the current one (which I'm yet to hear anything better than close your eyes and hope as an alternative), yes.
Meanwhile a good proportion of the commentators (on here atleast) continue to do so from behind the drums and nets in the east......
The regular comparison to car accidents I find interesting while the stats may look good at the end of the day you don't get behind the wheel of your car drunk, drive recklessly without a seatbelt and expect to be ok, we introduced these "controls" to protect those who do get in their cars sober, drive for the most part safely and wear their seatbelts, I see the shark "controls" as the same. If I'm a free driver and get in the ocean to dive with a GWS then yeah I accept I'm taking that risk but it's not the same as going for a swim or a surf. I wonder what the stats of free divers taken by GWS is vs ocean users in WA look like?????
I don't care about any science the bleeding hearts will put up here. I just reckon it's great to see some sharks die. I don't care which ones or size it anything. Just shoot it. I caught a Spanish mackerel on the weekend and everyone said great job. Catch a shark and people cry. I am hoping one a day. Don't think about it, just shoot it. So long as they put a good, serious dent in the numbers!!
Very mature opinion champ we need more young champs like you, maybe one day you will grow up and see that there are other things living on our planet other than you. In my profession I meet more people that want to see sharks, fish and wild animals than people like you that wants to kill any type or size you would be the odd one out!..... One day you might grow up and realise if everyone was like you we would have nothing left to appreciate that's wild.
Do you talk to them about the east coast Drum and nets, take them to see them....remove baits etc.
Not saying for or against but PP's right, the conversation has gone on too long and most aside from the most passionate on both sides are over it.
Something does need to be done, is this right....hmm....not sure....we'll see, should we be working on other solutions also though rather than focussing on the current one (which I'm yet to hear anything better than close your eyes and hope as an alternative), yes.
Meanwhile a good proportion of the commentators (on here atleast) continue to do so from behind the drums and nets in the east......
The regular comparison to car accidents I find interesting while the stats may look good at the end of the day you don't get behind the wheel of your car drunk, drive recklessly without a seatbelt and expect to be ok, we introduced these "controls" to protect those who do get in their cars sober, drive for the most part safely and wear their seatbelts, I see the shark "controls" as the same. If I'm a free driver and get in the ocean to dive with a GWS then yeah I accept I'm taking that risk but it's not the same as going for a swim or a surf. I wonder what the stats of free divers taken by GWS is vs ocean users in WA look like?????
Personally I think its the same risk, you know the danger. Just like riding a motorbike. Its dangerous but you still do it.