read the paper first .... this should happend this month sometimes.
maybe he was a bad guy but now it is even worst for the irakies and the rest of the world. there is a civil war happening there.
thanks Bush and Howard for making the world a more dangerous place !
Why don't you try the AWB web site? Perhaps John Howard's page links to it too, George Dubya's is a good bet... some others might be the ANZ Bank and Halliburton etc... Suffice to say, there are lots of (fiscally) interested parties out there that might be able to spread the seasons' cheer for you.
If you really want to get up close and personal with the action, there are lots of "jobs" going over in Iraq that will offer you more than a tidy sum made up of US/UK/AU tax dollars. The bullets and shrapnel are free, and when the locals really want to make a point, they'll hack off your head with a blunt knife and send the video home for your folks to watch.
Grow up idiot! Vote responsibly! And go fly a kite!
I Guess its just step one in cleaning up the disasters that people like Saddam Insane have caused.
Oh and yes.... Lets give Iran the nuclear capability its leaders are seeking. Then they can monopolise the countries supplying the majority of oil worldwide, cause havoc with the western economies and destroy all those horrible multinational companies. It will be fun surviving by growing our own food and riding donkeys.
Make sure you vote the right way ????
Fitzy Gold Coast OZ
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Originally posted by Fitzy
I Guess its just step one in cleaning up the disasters that people like Saddam Insane have caused.
what disaster as he caused ??? how many more people have been killed during the embargo after the first war in koweit and lately = one millions iraky people. so 3000 "americans" are worth 1000000 irakies for our so called humane nations. Select to expand quoteOriginally posted by Fitzy
Oh and yes.... Lets give Iran the nuclear capability its leaders are seeking. Then they can monopolise the countries supplying the majority of oil worldwide, cause havoc with the western economies and destroy all those horrible multinational companies.
everybody was happy to have sadam before to get into war with iran. who do you think provided the amunitions ?
how is playing with those countries politics most of the time .... how come africa his so rich but only big companies make money and the people are still poor ? who do you think gives money to the corrupt polititicens there ....Originally posted by Fitzy
It will be fun surviving by growing our own food and riding donkeys.
this might not be because of an embargo by iran but more likely because we will run out of petrol soon ... if you don-t want these nations to become even more rich, why don-t we all save petrol and ride bikes to work ????
Make sure you vote the right way ????
Fitzy Gold Coast OZ
Actually marc, sadams "little" wars with Iran cost 1 million soldiers -... not sure of the amount killed in the invasion against Kuwait and then the UN led by the US in the proceeding gulf war -but a fair few there too got spanked as well. Also remind you that he was the aggressor on both counts. So yeah he was pretty much a disaster.
As far as I know there will be no pictures or video files on the hanging. I understand this is to signal that the Saddam era with public hangings, shootings, etc. has finished and the new regime is far more civilized... A good thing I'd say.
if he was charged under the geneva act ,we would have to hang bush, howard and bliar. so its only way was to say bad things in the media.and the majority of people in the world are like lemmings so it had to be real(what wmd's).thats why hes swung and not the other puppets
quote:well theres no bloody wind
Originally posted by silviu
Hey guys, this is a bloody KITESURFING forum
Lets get out the politics
So once again the Yanks are the bad guys.
God help us if they one day pull up stumps and return to their own fortified country!
Who then would you put your trust in...
God....?
Peace...?
The "why can't we all just get a long days" if they ever existed are gone. Oil, Buisiness interests etc, are a small price to pay for a chance at a true self governing democracy!
Seems the only real obsticle to self rule in Iraq are the countries and hippies on the side lines taking pot shots at the yanks!
Better to try and fail than do nothing and bitch!
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Originally posted by dan OK?
So once again the Yanks are the bad guys.
God help us if they one day pull up stumps and return to their own fortified country!
Who then would you put your trust in...
God....?
Peace...?
The "why can't we all just get a long days" if they ever existed are gone. Oil, Buisiness interests etc, are a small price to pay for a chance at a true self governing democracy!
Seems the only real obsticle to self rule in Iraq are the countries and hippies on the side lines taking pot shots at the yanks!
Better to try and fail than do nothing and bitch!
Look over your shoulder Marc. How many millions live in Indonesia ?
Guess it really is a good idea to stay in sync with democratic countries such as the US and the UK. Whose side would you rather be on ??
WIll you defend your counrty on a push bike ??
Fitzy Gold Coast OZ
funny that they have killed alot more of their own soldiers already than what died in thier "supposed" terrorist attacks. poor americans. f#ck bush.
D e m o c r a c y
A popular people ellected government.
A chance at economic prosperity.
Dare i say it, Peace.
If it takes another 20 years its still worth it!
Or...
Screw em, its all about oil and power anyway.
Ill just be Switzerland and let everyone else sort out the worlds problems>
Happy New Year everybody
Do not forget, we are KITESURFERS not politicians, and the war in Iraq do not influence the Gods of Winds, so stop this stupid thread and go back to kitesurfing issues.
Hey, what’s better, a Bow kites or a C kites? or Peter Lynn foils?[:o)
Bridled kites or five lines kites? [:o)
We have so many issues to resolve, so forget politics.
Let the tyrants sleep (die in peace)
The USA has the best political system that money can buy... it's a shame it doesn't come with a warranty though.
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Originally posted by jumpindave
funny that they have killed alot more of their own soldiers already than what died in thier "supposed" terrorist attacks. poor americans. f#ck bush.
George Bush was told by an aid that 3 brazilians had been killed in Iraq he then asked another aid how many is a brazilian.
TelecomGreg
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Look over your shoulder Marc. How many millions live in Indonesia ?
Guess it really is a good idea to stay in sync with democratic countries such as the US and the UK. Whose side would you rather be on ??
WIll you defend your counrty on a push bike ??
Fitzy Gold Coast OZ
As bad as executions are in general, there are reasons why the execution of Saddam was an especially bad idea.
First, he was tried by a kangaroo court. What went on in Bagdad had no resemblance to the Nuremburg trials. It was about as legitimate as the show trial of Noriega,another yank ex-ally, in 1992, after the U.S. government expended many hundreds of millions, and killed several thousand Panamanians, in order to kidnap him. It puts American justice (because the Iraqi court was just a puppet of the Bushies) on a level with that of the Soviets, who specialized in show trials. Second, he died with lots of information. This is the real reason, I suspect, why Saddam had to die. Who knows how much he could have revealed about the part the U.S. played in his war with Iran (besides supplying him with loads of intelligence,
weapons, and encouragement)? Who knows what he might have said of his
conversations with his ex-friend Donald Rumsfeld, who visited with him 15 months after he was known to have used gas on Iraqi Kurds—as well as Iranian troops? Whoknows how many murderers, thieves, torturers, betrayers, and other assorted rats he would have fingered if given half a chance? You can bet they’re all glad he, and his
closest associates, have been killed. Third, his death will apotheosize him to many. I’ve got to say that Saddam died like a
man. He didn’t cry or snivel or beg for mercy; he died with dignity. He was a sociopath,like most people involved in statecraft, but at the end, he was also a stand-up guy,unlike most involved in statecraft. The fact he went to his death undaunted, even
though he was apparently surrounded by a gang of undisciplined jackals who were almost having a party, makes him seem even more of a martyr. Not only can’t Bush and his minions run a war right, even though it’s killed hundreds of thousands, they can’t
even execute one man right. Again, don’t get me wrong: Saddam needed killing. But that should have occurred while he was in power, when he could still do damage, not when he was a helpless prisoner. Idiotically, however, the U.S. has a law against killing foreign politicians while they’re still in power. Alternatively, it would have been nice to have seen him strung up from a lamp post, in a fit of rage, by his own subjects, like Mussolini. But, done the way it was, he’s likely to become the icon of a cult. He could well
become a hero for Iraqis who don’t like Islamists any more than they like the American invaders, or the collaborators now running the Iraqi government. The morons have created a martyr. You say this can’t be possible? Stalin, possibly the worst criminal of the 20th century, is still treated with reverence in Russia, if only because he fought the Nazis. Saddam will become a hero all over the Arab world for being the man who stood up against the Crusaders. Like Stalin, his faults will be minimized. They’ll remember just two things: He stood up against the invaders, and he died bravely.
So, while a lot of people in both Washington and Baghdad might think they’re burying testimony to their crimes with Saddam, they’ve also poured more gasoline on the fires in Iraq. Good going, Baby Bush.