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Seems like everyone are getting their powerbills

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Created by Mobydisc > 9 months ago, 25 Aug 2012
Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
25 Aug 2012 8:11PM
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Wow where I live is starting to get darker every night. More houses and flats have the lights out or one dim light in one room. Our bill jumped by about 20% and is touching $500 a quarter. This is up from about $300 a year or so ago. Consumption is dropping but the bill keeps increasing. It feels like the only real option in the future will be to try to go completely solar with a generator and batteries and then ask for the mains connection to be severed.

Sure its not all due to the carbon tax but adding the cost of that to all the other costs, plus having a consumption tax on a carbon tax doesn't seem fair.

Meanwhile they are exporting millions of tonnes of coal as quickly as they can dig it out and ship it off to whoever wants to burn it. I've heard South Korea has cheaper electricity than Australia and they import amost all of the fuel they need to generate electricity.

lotofwind
NSW, 6451 posts
25 Aug 2012 8:46PM
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I know a lot of pensioners around here that have turned off their hot water system and have been having cold showers for a year or two now.

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
25 Aug 2012 9:04PM
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Yes there are going to many side affects of electricty skyrocketing in cost. More people living in colder houses in winter leading to health issues. Increased stress for people struggling to make ends meet. Conflict between family members.

Its been documented that electricty consumption has been reducing over recent times, for the first time ever. Despite this regulators allow electricty companies to "gold plate" their networks and then pass the cost onto the consumer. Personally I was pretty happy with the electricty supply when it may have been tin or copper plated.

GypsyDrifter
WA, 2371 posts
25 Aug 2012 7:07PM
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It is and always have been about keeping the rich on one level and the poor...poor..and if they can poorer ...I suppose that will and has worked till people will just break!
and at the level of rage you see day to day...I wonder what the end result might be!

Chris6791
WA, 3271 posts
25 Aug 2012 7:30PM
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I earn good money and don't stress about paying the power bill when it comes it (about $130 per two month bill cycle), I'll admit thats not much of a bill but that's because there is nothing wrong with leaving the heater off and putting a jumper on instead. It's not just the poor pensioners doing it.

Subsonic
WA, 3126 posts
25 Aug 2012 7:34PM
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Just got ours a short time ago, $405 as compared to $254 the quarter before

and we're not what I'd call a power eating house by any stretch of the imagination, lights off when not used, minimal electrical device use period. The funny thing is they reckon we've used a lot more "units" of power than last quarter but im really not seeing that.....

choco
SA, 4034 posts
25 Aug 2012 9:52PM
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do you guys use candles? $1200 quarter

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
25 Aug 2012 10:32PM
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choco said...

do you guys use candles? $1200 quarter


You live in SA? Apparently the price of electricity there is the most expensive in Australia and amongst the most expensive in the world.

$1200 a quarter. How much do you pay per KW/h?

pierrec45
NSW, 2005 posts
25 Aug 2012 10:47PM
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Are we really hardly done by?

Since I heard often the exact same complaints in other countries, for about the same $2k per year, I looked up a bit.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_pricing seems to show that we're paying about the same as other G20 countries, i.e. USA, Germany, France, UK, Holland, Italy, Spain, etc.

youngbull
QLD, 825 posts
25 Aug 2012 10:49PM
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I have no idea how people have such high power bills, a friend at Redcliffe is always around 400-600 a qtr. Mind you the 4 Tv's are running alot.

Been in Nth Brisbane for 6 years now and my power bill has gone from $160 a qtr to $175 a qtr, yet I have welders/grinders, rc batt chargers going non stop (around 9hrs @5amps a day) big tv, 6 loads of washing a week. I'm stoked.
Every time some door to door guy comes up and says I can beat your current price, I show him the bill and say beat that. They are just amazed and have nothing to offer.

FlySurfer
NSW, 4453 posts
25 Aug 2012 10:50PM
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U had your chance to speak up! Now put up.
Wait until CO2/ton gets to $100... I've hedged my bets.

kato
VIC, 3403 posts
25 Aug 2012 11:00PM
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$350 for the year....yes got 1.9 system on the roof and loving it

Mr. No-one
WA, 921 posts
25 Aug 2012 10:21PM
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It's annoying that we're told to save power, we do and then get charged double for it. If they were making profits after running costs just a few years back and now they're grossing double, where is all our money going, I'm sure their running costs haven't doubled, and if they had their profits would have at least doubled as well. Blatant revenue raising BS like saying speed cameras are for safety, and why have rates doubled as well, tax is becoming a very dirty word.
WA had twice the number of flu cases compared to last year, wonder if people not being able to afford to heat their house had a bearing on this, I'd think so.
Why do people hate pollies? because they deserve it.

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
26 Aug 2012 8:24AM
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youngbull said...

I have no idea how people have such high power bills, a friend at Redcliffe is always around 400-600 a qtr. Mind you the 4 Tv's are running alot.

Been in Nth Brisbane for 6 years now and my power bill has gone from $160 a qtr to $175 a qtr, yet I have welders/grinders, rc batt chargers going non stop (around 9hrs @5amps a day) big tv, 6 loads of washing a week. I'm stoked.
Every time some door to door guy comes up and says I can beat your current price, I show him the bill and say beat that. They are just amazed and have nothing to offer.


Do you have a solar hot water system? Electric hot water systems use a lot of electricity.

bobajob
QLD, 1535 posts
26 Aug 2012 8:25AM
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I think it's more like the government being the owners or majority owners, skim the profits as their tax base is shrinking due to the property market slow down etc. And while their may be limited competition between retailers, the generators and network owners set the price. So the more the government takes out the smaller the profit.....up go the prices.
Your electricity bill is basically another way to pay tax!

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
26 Aug 2012 8:35AM
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bobajob said...

I think it's more like the government being the owners or majority owners, skim the profits as their tax base is shrinking due to the property market slow down etc. And while their may be limited competition between retailers, the generators and network owners set the price. So the more the government takes out the smaller the profit.....up go the prices.
Your electricity bill is basically another way to pay tax!


That is what it seems like nowdays. Its at the point where many people can't reduce consumption much anymore without it affecting their lifestyle, ie they start becoming a bit stinkier and a bit colder.

The other option is to try to get a solar electric array going. However most people living in flats or strata along with renters don't have this option.

boofta
NSW, 179 posts
26 Aug 2012 8:50AM
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You all have the option of voting out the government
that introduced the carbon tax. But be careful, no more
stimulus cheques from the other mob. Oh what to do!

petermac33
WA, 6415 posts
26 Aug 2012 7:13AM
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Just checked my letterbox and electricity bill for last 56 days has gone up from previous bill of $82 to $119

Corporate fascism where the corporations are the rulers.

Good job it's not too cold in Spain as nearly 25 percent are unemployed,over 50 percent youth unemployed.

Watched A Place In The Sun other week, couple reckon they spend 45 to 50 pound per quarter or per month, on gas in the UK. In the Caribbean where they were also looking to buy, average gas price for same period was only 4 to 5 pound,something fishy going on.

Can see a time in the very near future where turning a light bulb and TV on for the night will cost you a packet. Not a bad idea actually,will help to quell those nutjobs out there that believe everything they hear and see on the TV.

cisco
QLD, 12337 posts
26 Aug 2012 9:27AM
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I have mentioned it before.

The CSIRO ran a 12 month experiment 35+ years ago in Canberra that proved there is no reason for any stand alone household to be on the power grid. (Except for the general public subsidising industry of course.[}:)])

Here is some more NWO bulldust. What they did not achieve in Copenhagen, they did in Durban.

www.mail.com/int/business/economy/

Your power bill getting a bit heavy?? You ain't seen nothin' yet.

gibberjoe
SA, 956 posts
26 Aug 2012 9:16AM
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WHY WHINGE ??.....convert your house [whatever] to 12volt batteries with a couple of solar panels and maybe a standby wind generator. Just like a good caravan there is nothing unavailable..........DO IT........

Marvin
WA, 725 posts
26 Aug 2012 9:25AM
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A range of factors are pushing up prices.

One view of the world: www.ena.asn.au/udocs/2012/02/ENA-media-release-many-factors-push-up-prices-12-April-2012.pdf

As they rightly point out, people with solar systems are being subsidised by the rest through the RECs.

And every time a split system air conditioner gets installed, its something like a $7000 subsidy due to the increased network infrastructure to meet the peak demand (these tend to only run for about 3 - 4 weeks a year, but the network to serve these will still need to sit there for the rest of the year)(www.cleanenergycouncil.org.au/dms/cec/factsheets/CEC_PRICE_FACTSv10/CEC%2520Energy%2520update )

And the need to replace aging networks is also in play.

And then there is the potential for the government to use ownership as a tax, or the network monopolies themselves becoming better at challenging price determinations...

As ever in any policy debate, no simple answers, no one thing.

Sailhack
VIC, 5000 posts
26 Aug 2012 6:33PM
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kato said...

$350 for the year....yes got 1.9 system on the roof and loving it


1.4 system - 2-storey house about $500per yr. When we renovated I made sure I insulated well & although we don't have double glazing, heavy curtains & dimmers on the lights make a huge diff.

Also wear a jumper rather than turn on the heater & walk around in shorts & tees when it's 10deg outside.

youngbull
QLD, 825 posts
26 Aug 2012 7:40PM
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Mobydisc said...

youngbull said...

I have no idea how people have such high power bills, a friend at Redcliffe is always around 400-600 a qtr. Mind you the 4 Tv's are running alot.

Been in Nth Brisbane for 6 years now and my power bill has gone from $160 a qtr to $175 a qtr, yet I have welders/grinders, rc batt chargers going non stop (around 9hrs @5amps a day) big tv, 6 loads of washing a week. I'm stoked.
Every time some door to door guy comes up and says I can beat your current price, I show him the bill and say beat that. They are just amazed and have nothing to offer.


Do you have a solar hot water system? Electric hot water systems use a lot of electricity.



Just normal electric hot water. Forgot to mention I run the AC every night aswell even in Winter, always at 16deg - you get used to the noise every night.
It's funny heater in lounge room -AC in bedroom, the hallway is a twilight area.

ka72
QLD, 580 posts
26 Aug 2012 8:24PM
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GavGav said...

Saw this on a TV show (Catalyst?)

http://www.bluegen.info/

Now that sounds the go.

If this thing runs on natural gas wouldnt touch it.
"About the size of a washing machine, BlueGen? connects directly to your natural gas supply, delivering low carbon electricity, 24 hours a day. It's virtually silent, very efficient and reduces your carbon footprint significantly. "
Have no idea how this reduces your carbon footprint if it does run with gas. Coals bad enough but so is gas and the price of gas isnt exactly going to get cheaper.
Anyone seen Gasland. <iframe width="560" height="315" src="
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Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
26 Aug 2012 8:32PM
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The gas power generator would be pretty cool if you own a farm that had gas deposits on it.



southace
SA, 4776 posts
26 Aug 2012 9:36PM
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I have not paid power bill for 5 years since living on a boat. 3 new batterys last year cost me $750 + $500 for solar panel and the odd bit of fuel for the gen and diesel engine all good! Oh and sell the car that's the next expense that just goes up and up!

Mr float
NSW, 3452 posts
27 Aug 2012 12:19AM
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lotofwind said...

I know a lot of pensioners around here that have turned off their hot water system and have been having cold showers for a year or two now.



mums kept the hot water on but has developed a taste and has a range of options for dog food

petermac33
WA, 6415 posts
27 Aug 2012 1:06AM
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I have turned the gas hot water system down to vaccation.[as my neighbour does]

Each morning when i want to have a hot shower,i walk out naked into the backyard and turn it up to hot.

Wait 10 mins,enjoy a nice warm shower, then before drying myself,i go out into yard again to turn it back to vaccation.

Nothing like a bit of intuition/exposure to get those bills down.

Reevesy
QLD, 139 posts
27 Aug 2012 8:28AM
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First powerbill after I put 5kw solar system on $43:) and the system was only operation for the 2nd half of the quarter. It's costing me $50 a week for 40 months but saving me $30/week and I calculate you guys with out solar will be paying me about 200/quarter cause I feed in much more then I use.

evlPanda
NSW, 9202 posts
27 Aug 2012 1:52PM
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GypsyDrifter said...

It is and always have been about keeping the rich on one level and the poor...poor..and if they can poorer ...I suppose that will and has worked till people will just break!


Mobydisc's bill jumped about 4 packets of cigarettes/quarter!

evlPanda
NSW, 9202 posts
27 Aug 2012 1:55PM
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youngbull said...

I have no idea how people have such high power bills, a friend at Redcliffe is always around 400-600 a qtr. Mind you the 4 Tv's are running alot.

Been in Nth Brisbane for 6 years now and my power bill has gone from $160 a qtr to $175 a qtr, yet I have welders/grinders, rc batt chargers going non stop (around 9hrs @5amps a day) big tv, 6 loads of washing a week. I'm stoked.
Every time some door to door guy comes up and says I can beat your current price, I show him the bill and say beat that. They are just amazed and have nothing to offer.


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