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Shark attack at rotto

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Created by Spocktek > 9 months ago, 22 Oct 2011
Spocktek
WA, 281 posts
22 Oct 2011 5:19PM
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Fark me a few mates and I went diving this morn outside hillarys, our first choice was rotto, nth pt reef! This is unbelivable!
www.news.com.au/national/shark-attack-in-rotto/news-story/51b2959125f7f425e7f62b90e821395a

pweedas
WA, 4642 posts
22 Oct 2011 5:59PM
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Probably the same one that did the Cott attack two weeks ago.

The possibilities are, either there's lots of white pointers around and they all enjoy eating people in their spare time, or it's the same shark that unlike most white pointers, has taken a liking to feasting on people.
Either way, sharks that eat people need to be removed from the system.

If there's so many around so as to make shark attacks so regular then we wont miss one or two when we remove them.
If it's only one, then we will miss it even less. Either way, whenever a shark eats somebody we should do the logical thing and get rid of it.

Since we are assured that they don't like eating people then the culling of one or two should fix the problem.

{edit} just as I posted this I hear on the radio that Col has done the right thing and ordered the shark be caught and killed.
Good work Col. But it would have been better if this was ordered after Bryn Martin got eaten. Oh well, better late than never.

The thing I like about Col is that since he was about to retire before the last election and didn't want to be Premier anyway, he is often guilty of doing the right thing rather than what he thinks might be required to keep him in the job.
I wish they would all do that.

lotofwind
NSW, 6451 posts
22 Oct 2011 9:11PM
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How do they know which shark to kill???????????

BarryDawson
WA, 175 posts
22 Oct 2011 6:18PM
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lotofwind said...

How do they know which shark to kill???????????


According to our learnered rscaife thats easy..... kill em all!!!!!

I'm still not sure if this guy is trolling or serious

WTF!

Mark _australia
WA, 22414 posts
22 Oct 2011 6:43PM
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I really don't know if it is likely to be the same one from Cott two weeks ago........ Really, there are a lot of sharks following the whale migration this time of year, lots of tasty whale calves to eat and if they can't get them they will go a seal.
A bloke with flippers can look like a seal ........

pweedas
WA, 4642 posts
22 Oct 2011 6:49PM
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lotofwind said...

How do they know which shark to kill???????????


You've gotta be kidding!
The burden of proof to execute a shark is not quite as stringent as the burden of proof required to execute a person. Well it shouldn't be anyway, but these days it seems it is.

That was the same lame brain excuse they used when Ken Crew got eaten 10 years ago, even though the shark was swimming in the area for a few days.
Some idiots were still asking how we could be sure it was the same shark so by the time the decision was made to cull it, the shark had nicked off.
Thanks to that it was probably the same shark that came back on a regular basis and tops up its calorie intake with the ocasional surf ski or swimmer.

Just go to the same area, throw a dead sheep into the water and drag it behind a boat for a while. If a white pointer turns up of a similar size and starts chewing on it then you can take it that it's probably the same one.
If it's not, I don't think it's family will be dragging your ass through court asking for a retrial and compensation.

lotofwind
NSW, 6451 posts
22 Oct 2011 10:24PM
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Yeah,,,I guess your right, just kill a shark that might?? have been the one cause its in the same area??? Their are probly 200 Whites in the area about the same size.
Problem solved. Eye for an eye.
If your in the sea,,its the chance you take.
As sad as it is for his family,,its just how swimming in the ocean is.

Killing one shark hoping it was the one,,,,wont stop the rare shark attacks.
But might make You feel better/safer maybe?

Im not having a stab at you Pweedas, we all have different thought/opinions,
I just think(not very often) that ALL sharks are potential man eater and that most of the time they think we are a tasty seal.
So killing one(thinking that now they it has a fetish for humans) will not make any differents.
Other then a feeling of revenge.Which might make me feel better if it was one of my loved ones that was taken.
Cheers



pierrec45
NSW, 2005 posts
22 Oct 2011 10:29PM
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Not what he meant: are you gonna kill all sharks that bite the sheep until you find human bits in it ?

How many are you gonna cull, 100, 10000 ?

I suspect you're kidding, but can't find the smiley...

lotofwind
NSW, 6451 posts
22 Oct 2011 10:40PM
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^^^Yep,,spot on^pierrec45

Woodo
WA, 792 posts
22 Oct 2011 7:41PM
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200 whites in the area...... Hmmmmmmmmm somehow I don't think so.

3 fatal attacks in 7 weeks isn't exactly "rare attacks"

lotofwind
NSW, 6451 posts
22 Oct 2011 11:00PM
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^^^So you think it was the same shark. How many do you think swim past that spot daily? Not saying your wrong, probly correct.
Even though we only seen the odd one here and there, I think there are lots you didnt know where there.

I think there are more sharks swimming locally than you think.

I have seen shark feeding frenzies(spelling?) of several hundred sharks in the one spot. And am sure that wasnt all that might have been close by ,,just round the next headland were probly heaps more that hadnt heard of the all you can eat feed going on.

The shark in question could be 200kms up the coast by now?

Woodo
WA, 792 posts
22 Oct 2011 8:17PM
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Nah personally I don't think it was the same shark.
Yep there are plenty out there. Caught plenty (not whites) and had whites come up and hang around my boat on a couple of separate occasions a few k's of the metro coast while fishing.

esoom
WA, 119 posts
22 Oct 2011 8:22PM
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lotofwind said...

Yeah,,,I guess your right, just kill a shark that might?? have been the one cause its in the same area??? Their are probly 200 Whites in the area about the same size.
Problem solved. Eye for an eye.
If your in the sea,,its the chance you take.
As sad as it is for his family,,its just how swimming in the ocean is.

Killing one shark hoping it was the one,,,,wont stop the rare shark attacks.
But might make You feel better/safer maybe?

Im not having a stab at you Pweedas, we all have different thought/opinions,
I just think(not very often) that ALL sharks are potential man eater and that most of the time they think we are a tasty seal.
So killing one(thinking that now they it has a fetish for humans) will not make any differents.
Other then a feeling of revenge.Which might make me feel better if it was one of my loved ones that was taken.
Cheers






lotofwind
NSW, 6451 posts
22 Oct 2011 11:24PM
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^^^^^^Î agree.
Try again.

seafever17
WA, 360 posts
22 Oct 2011 8:27PM
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Sympathies to the family and friends of this man who has been taken by the apex predator of the environment we all love so much.
It could easily have been anyone of us.
Calling for the slaughter of many sharks is rediculous.If the attacker remains in the area by all means despatch it.

Remember all these attacks happened in the ocean.Improve your odds by staying ashore not wholesale slaughter.

esoom
WA, 119 posts
22 Oct 2011 8:33PM
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RIP Skindiver man!
I'm sure the majority of ocean users would be more than happy to see a cull of
whitey's or at least one, to justify 4 human deaths in just over 12 months.Not to mention the other attacks where people have survived.

dirtyharry
WA, 444 posts
22 Oct 2011 8:38PM
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pweedas said...

The possibilities are, either there's lots of white pointers around and they all enjoy eating people in their spare time, or it's the same shark that unlike most white pointers, has taken a liking to feasting on people.


Yep, they're the only 2 possible scenarios.

Absolutely no chance that theres a ****load of sharks out there and some of them will occasionally eat a human if the conditions are right.

Ian K
WA, 4049 posts
22 Oct 2011 8:50PM
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CSIRO has a paper on line

"Changing patterns of shark attacks in Australian waters
John G. West"

at

www.publish.csiro.au/MF/pdf/MF10181

Conclusion
Patterns of attack have changed substantially over time as a
result of the changing population and human behaviour. If
human activity related to water-based activities and the use of
beaches, harbours and rivers continues to change, we can expect
to see further changes in the patterns, distribution, frequency and
types of attacks in the future. Encounters with sharks, although a
rare event, will continue to occur if humans continue to enter the
ocean professionally or for recreational pursuit.
It is important to keep the risk of a shark attack in perspective.
On average, 87 people drown at Australian beaches each year
(SLSA 2010), yet there have been, on average, only 1.1 fatalities
per year from shark attack over the past two decades. It is clear
that the risk of being bitten or dying from an unprovoked shark
attack in Australia remains extremely low.



saltiest1
NSW, 2496 posts
23 Oct 2011 12:08AM
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^^^
thats a great chart / map.
you can see how the population follows the attack locations pretty well. id be betting if the population was consistent around the coast nationwide, the dots would be as well.
thanks for posting.

pweedas
WA, 4642 posts
22 Oct 2011 11:08PM
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lotofwind said...

Yeah,,,I guess your right, just kill a shark that might?? have been the one cause its in the same area??? Their are probly 200 Whites in the area about the same size.



So if there's 200 in that area at that time then culling one or two trying to solve the problem is not going to make the slightest bit of difference to the survival of the species is it.
On the other hand if there's only one or two in the area then that makes it highly probable that one of them was the one that made the attack.
Either way we have little to lose and lots to gain by giving it a try.
If it turns out that we end up culling a dozen sharks over a year or two and it makes no difference then at least we have tried to do something.
Or is the life of a fish now more sacred than the life of a person?

Compare the consequences of the loss of one or two sharks to the loss of one or two or more people.
Do sharks think so highly of their friends and relatives that they have funeral services?
Do they mope around mourning for their dead?
Are their children waiting at home for a parent that wont return?
Are their parents lives destroyed because of a son that doesn't return?
Are they lying awake at 3 o'clock in the morning, terrorised by graphic thoughts going through their head.
Are they terrorised for months when the phone rings in case it's some more bad news.

It's just a fish!
A dumb unthinking fish!
Why is it that some people now seem to be afflicted with some warped logic which says that the life of a human is worth less than the life of a fish?
Where will this sort of logic end?
Why not save all the dogs that attack humans?
After all, they are man's best friend.


pierrec45
NSW, 2005 posts
23 Oct 2011 4:51AM
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pweedas said...
So if there's 200 in that area at that time then culling one or two trying to solve the problem is not going to make the slightest bit of difference to the survival of the species is it.
On the other hand if there's only one or two in the area then that makes it highly probable that one of them was the one that made the attack.
Either way we have little to lose and lots to gain by giving it a try.

Man, not sure what you're smoking, but it's good stuff.

If there are 200, then taking the first couple leaves, what, let me count, 198. How does killing 2 helps ??? Who says it's the killermost ones that bite first, that you drop the sheep around where the killers happen to be ???? If you kill all 200 (not sure what you're saying anymore), then can you really prove that others won't come back ? Would probably take very days too..

You're probably not a sportsperson. Me surfing mates and I from childhood always said that if a shark takes us surfing, we deserve it and leave it alone. Very few surfers and divers talk like you.

lotofwind
NSW, 6451 posts
23 Oct 2011 8:30AM
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I think the ONLY solution,
is to cull humans.

Less humans = less shark attacks.

kyteryder
NSW, 692 posts
23 Oct 2011 8:59AM
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lotofwind said...

I think the ONLY solution,
is to cull humans.

Less humans = less shark attacks.


Isnt that what the sharks are doing for us?
KR

barn
WA, 2960 posts
23 Oct 2011 7:16AM
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pweedas said...

lotofwind said...

Yeah,,,I guess your right, just kill a shark that might?? have been the one cause its in the same area??? Their are probly 200 Whites in the area about the same size.



So if there's 200 in that area at that time then culling one or two trying to solve the problem is not going to make the slightest bit of difference to the survival of the species is it.
On the other hand if there's only one or two in the area then that makes it highly probable that one of them was the one that made the attack.
Either way we have little to lose and lots to gain by giving it a try.
If it turns out that we end up culling a dozen sharks over a year or two and it makes no difference then at least we have tried to do something.
Or is the life of a fish now more sacred than the life of a person?


Is the life of a person more sacred than a species? Why stop at one?

How many GWs are equal to one Human life? What if the Human is 99 years old? or American?

Somebody dies at the Snow while skiing Off-piste after hitting a tree, do you cut down three trees, just to try something?..

No because it's pointless, the tree was an accident, and trees are much better looking than most people.. Getting bit by a shark is an accident, tough luck, stay in the designated areas (above sea level)..


Compare the consequences of the loss of one or two sharks to the loss of one or two or more people.
Do sharks think so highly of their friends and relatives that they have funeral services?
Do they mope around mourning for their dead?
Are their children waiting at home for a parent that wont return?
Are their parents lives destroyed because of a son that doesn't return?
Are they lying awake at 3 o'clock in the morning, terrorised by graphic thoughts going through their head.
Are they terrorised for months when the phone rings in case it's some more bad news.


People die all the time.. It's really not a big deal. I'm less bothered about this shark victim than I am about a road death.. It's on par with a fat ass dying of a heart attack..


It's just a fish!
A dumb unthinking fish!
Why is it that some people now seem to be afflicted with some warped logic which says that the life of a human is worth less than the life of a fish?
Where will this sort of logic end?
Why not save all the dogs that attack humans?
After all, they are man's best friend.




It's just a ****ing human,
Why is it that some people now seem to be afflicted with the warped logic which says the life of a human is worth more when it's taken by a fish, yet nobody gives a fark when somebody drowns, dies of drugs, or in a car at a race track..
When will this logic end, Cull to extinction all the Hippos in Africa? all the Tigers in India, all the GWs in the Oceans? all the Mosquitos in the tropics?

You can't go swimming in the NT because of Crocs, do we cull the crocodiles? do we worry when a tourist gets eaten? no, 'big farking deal hahah didn't they see the sign??'

If there were a million GWs in WA waters and they ate everyone that went in the water, then we erect signs telling people of the dangers.. We take responsible action, we don't eliminate a species..



Luckily there aren't a million, and the chances of being individually being nipped are exactly the same as they were 2 years ago.. Nothings changed.

chrispychru
QLD, 7932 posts
23 Oct 2011 9:28AM
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what a joke. scum everday are robbing,raping and killing innocent people and they get bugger all penalty yet you want to start killing sharks lets clean up society first and let nature deal with it self like it has for millions of years

Gizmo
SA, 2865 posts
23 Oct 2011 10:03AM
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When you enter the sharks domain you take a risk.... I do and many others do also.
But what's next stone fish, sting rays, jelly fish etc etc.
I will accept that the next shark that enters the human domain should be culled immediately.... we should have got em by the the time it gets to the beach side cafe or coffee shops.

longwinded
WA, 344 posts
23 Oct 2011 8:34AM
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Gizmo said...


I will accept that the next shark that enters the human domain should be culled immediately.... we should have got em by the the time it gets to the beach side cafe or coffee shops.



But then wouldn't the great white population have just cause to execute the person(s) who culled the shark. It seems only fair.

saltiest1
NSW, 2496 posts
23 Oct 2011 11:41AM
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if you think about it, since the protection of the big whites, the younguns may have come of age and are now going back to what they always have done.
just a thought.....

BulldogPup
6657 posts
23 Oct 2011 8:42AM
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chrispychru said...

what a joke. scum everday are robbing,raping and killing innocent people and they get bugger all penalty yet you want to start killing sharks lets clean up society first and let nature deal with it self like it has for millions of years


I agree - butchering GW sharks aint going to stop the attacks , better to spend the $$$ on tagging & warning systems so relevant authorities can better organise getting humans out of their way , jmo folks! ... I'll accept my scorching for mo

saltiest1
NSW, 2496 posts
23 Oct 2011 11:46AM
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BulldogPup said...

chrispychru said...

what a joke. scum everday are robbing,raping and killing innocent people and they get bugger all penalty yet you want to start killing sharks lets clean up society first and let nature deal with it self like it has for millions of years


I agree - butchering GW sharks aint going to stop the attacks , better to spend the $$$ on tagging & warning systems so relevant authorities can better organise getting humans out of their way , jmo folks! ... I'll accept my scorching for mo




maybe equip the game fish mob to do it and form a competition for it. sick fun!

BulldogPup
6657 posts
23 Oct 2011 9:00AM
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saltiest1 said...

BulldogPup said...

chrispychru said...

what a joke. scum everday are robbing,raping and killing innocent people and they get bugger all penalty yet you want to start killing sharks lets clean up society first and let nature deal with it self like it has for millions of years


I agree - butchering GW sharks aint going to stop the attacks , better to spend the $$$ on tagging & warning systems so relevant authorities can better organise getting humans out of their way , jmo folks! ... I'll accept my scorching for mo




maybe equip the game fish mob to do it and form a competition for it. sick fun!


mate I just can't see any reasoning for wholesale slaughtering or culling of anything living if it aint worthy - if there is a fun side to tagging of a living creature then hey , get into it for sure! ... after all we do what we do in the water for sick fun don't we (we all spruik here on SB about what we're into after all)



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