Nothing to do with windsufing I know but does anyone know anyone that can transpostion my telephone line. I am currently on a pair gain and Telstra won't take me off. I can't get ADSL2+ at home.
(Each house in the street is suppose to be connected to the network via a single cable connection but to save money back in the day Telstra used pair gain connections which basically turns one line into two. Only problem is that it was designed before ADSL came along. If you are connected via a pair gain you can't get ADSL 2+. Telstra is suppose to transposition your line back to a single line connection if requested. Unfortunately, they won't budge. "Nup, we won't fix it, sorry but you can't get fast internet, you will have to ring your ISP and see if they can help you." How far behind are we in Australia? With an attitude like Telstra's it doesn't surprise me.)
TELSTRA GGGGRRRRRR!!
I just bought a place which is all set up for cable TV, I am trying to get Telstra to set me up with Cable broadband (you can only use Telstra or Optus) was told no worries. Two weeks later and still no modem, I called them. Aparently they are having issues and are now going to assign me a Case Manager....
I don't want a F&*king case manager, I just want my broadband connection!!!!!!!!
Ahhhh, that feels better.....
Is it possible to get mobile broadband via someone like Virgin? They seem to have reasonable deals now, about $40 a month for 4gb or something like that. Not sure if its available where you are and I am not sure of the speed. Not sure what the networking would be like if you run a home network. Perhaps it would be like the old days of running a gateway on a Windows computer then sharing it out, ICS but that was always a big dodgy.
However it would be nice to cancel all your Telstra accounts including the phone by getting a VoIP account or just sticking to mobiles. When the Telstra rep rings up and asks why you cancelled your accounts. Tell them its because Telstra couldn't be bothered to give you a decent phone line and they suck.
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It may not have been Telstra.
Most pair gained connections are usually put in but the land developer.
This has been commonplace for years. Developer buys the land and then has to provide electricity, sewer, water and phone. Pair gaining saves half the cable.
Could be Telstra, but usually the developer.
No I don't work for em either.
The problem is with the telephone connection to his home. Its Pair gain where they divided a telephone line into two or more connections. This is a really ****ty practice as you still have to pay full line rental for something half strength. Even dialup will be slower than on a full line. So Gonewindsurfing probably has to live with bad dialup.
So it doesn't matter how far away from the exchange he is, ADSL will not work, whether its 256/56 kb or 8000/1024 kb. Its physically impossible for him to get an ADSL connection from his telephone line.
Having a dedicated line wouldn't be really feasible. Another possible solution would be to setup a wireless network between somewhere where they can get ADSL and Gonewindsurfing247's home. I did this for my parents and my sister a few years ago. They live on a farm in two seperate houses. The houses are on two hills with a valley inbetween with a clear line of site and approximately 700 meters from each other. My mum applied for and got ADSL (which everyone was very surprised about as they live about 10kms from the nearest telephone exchange). So I setup two directional antennas and wireless access points. pointed the antennas at each other, got signal. Screwed everything in place and its still working fine after about three or four years.
Intel are so crappy. I bought a 286 only 15 years ago, and it will not run Windows XP Pro. How rubbish is that? And they wont do anything about it. They told me to go and pay for a new PC. The Feckin cheek of them!
Sound familiar? You have a telephone line into your house, nothing more. Does your telephone work? Then the infrastructure is working just fine. Why do you believe it should do any more then it said "on the box" when you got it? ADSL was not around when your telephone infrastructure went in, so I dont think it is reasonable to expect that it will be supported throughout the network.
It pains me to do so, but I am on Telstras side - it is up to you to either pay for an upgrade to the cable, or find an alternative. Will an ISP pay to upgrade your cable? - no they will turn to Telstra to fund it for them.
Stop whining and get on the water.
JB
PS - there is a limit to how much porn you can consume - irrespective to how quickly you can download it.
Good luck...
I had an 8 month stoush with Telstra over the home phone line. During this time there were periods where the phone did not work at all for up to 3 weeks... Luckily the internet still worked
There were numerous calls to Telstra. In the end, minutes that Telstra keep on the complaint number were way out of control. The folk at complaints were recording things which were false. E.g. we were not cooperative because we refused to meet them between 9 am and 5 pm. Nevermind the fact that I was interstate for work on that particular day At one stage, one operator even denied that there was anything wrong. It dragged on so long that they closed the complaint number (without asking us).
In the end, Telstra came out and did the work without telling us they were coming... And whilst there, damaged a number of things at home and left quite a mess. Dodgy re-paving/concreting, broken paving covered with loose sand, cut reticulation etc etc...
I managed to get an email address (this was the way in with Telstra) as I wanted to send photos of the damage caused etc etc. I wrote them a blunt email explaining the situation, time taken to resolve, the fact they had entered the property without permission and caused XYZ damage. Telstra then called me almost instantly and there was a tradey and an auditor on site (at home) by 8:30 am!
You need to find someone at Telstra who can own the problem. Until you do this, it is hopeless. You are wasting your time…
you can console yourself in the fact that there are some people here in Sydney's suburb Ultimo smack in the city that are on pair gain as well... to rub more salt into the wound some of these folks are living $1.5 million + penthouses and can't get ADSL broadband.
These days I always check for the availability of broadband before I move into a new property or even sign contracts. Since I work in New Media and a fast connection is essential.
I am currently on a 24 Mbit Annex M and get about 9 Mbit downstream and 1.5 Mbit upstream. It's certainly not even close to the 24 Mbit advertised. As I said, I use the connect for work and regularly shift somewhere around 50 Gbytes a month.
So have you considered moving house? Do you have Foxtel Cable TV? If so you should be able to get Broadband via Cable... crappy upload speeds but the download speeds are ok. The only problem is that you are stuck with the very expensive plans.
BTW, Optus was going to roll-out a WiMax / ADSL2 solution to areas currently not serviced by broadband. They already go the contract worth $900 million and started the project. While WiMax isn't ideal it would have been better than nothing and would certainly be a possible option for folks with pair gain issues.
Well, Telstra and the federal government announce that ADSL2 would be available in all Australian exchanges... a week later the federal government announces they are retracting the Optus contract. Anyone else think there is something fishy going on there? Well, to cut a long story short Optus is now suing the government for compensation on money they already sunk into the project. Somewhere around $30 million last time I heard. Can you blame them?
The reality of it is that Telstra has a monopoly in many areas of telecommunication in this country and shamelessly abuses it were they can. Until the the network infrastructure is decoupled from Telstra and offered on similar terms to all operators things won't change. Oki doki... i'll now get of my soapbox.
PSTN cable has only 4 parts that are accessible to homes, pair gain splits the line and makes use of all of this to run two lines on one cable, this renders the cable useless for ADSL.
If you are in this situation you can occasionally get some help if you are going with Telstra Bigpond as your internet provider but if you are with another ISP well your out of luck. As said here it is up to the ISP to provide you with service which they buy in wholesale from Telstra, Telstra wont come and rewire the street for you to then go and give all your money to a reseller.
It sounds like GW247 is on some sort of hub, which isn't all that common in houses, but very common in unit/apartment blocks. This is even worse as the hub uses active switching to enable many people to be serviced by few physical lines.
Your only alternative is to go wireless, if you get on well with a neighbour who has ADSL available, an alternative is to share a service with them which you connect to via a wireless router. Or look at the mobile phone company deals, some of them are pretty good, not as fast as full DSL but better then dial-up and the advantage here is if you are using a laptop you can take the connection with you anywhere you get phone coverage.
I don't currently work for any ISP or phone company, but did at one stage in my working life work for Telstra Bigpond.
Thanks for the suggestions. I am currently with IINET and can get Broadband 1. I have VIOP but I was really interested in their Naked DSL which would work out much cheaper for me giving that I call the Eastern States quite regularly. I could upgrade my Broadband 1 plan but it just gets too expensive compared to the Nake option. Virgin Broadband is probably the closest alternative but I don't get the coverage in my suburb and their speeds are not very impressive anyway.
I suggested to Telstra that I would pay for a new line to be installed but they said it wouldn't make any difference as I would be connected via the same hub/sub-station/pair gain.
I'll just have to sit tight for now.
ive only read about half the posts so far, but have you enquired about your chances of getting cable? Not the quickest thing around, but you can cut out sh!thouse Telstra and deal straight with Optus, who I have never had a problem with.
Good luck
The only fault with your logic JB is that the federal government has promised "high-speed" internet to everyone, so there is more than the promise of just a phone line. I think the idea is that someone (usually Telstra) has to provide broadband at a cost effective price almost anywhere in Australia. ....
Sorry but I dont see any flaw in my logic. The feds have said that high speed internet will be available to all. They choose their words very carefully. Telstra will only work to offer high speed internet to areas that are not serviced by any other high speed providor. If you live in an area where any other ISP provides high speed internet (even wireless coverage) the Telstra does not have to do anything at all and the feds will meet the exact wording of the promise. They will not do more then the minimum unless they can make more profit.
GW247, by his own admission already has broadband. He has high speed internet. No promise was ever made saying that everyone could have ADSL2 speeds - just high speed internet.
So while I empathise - I do not believe this is Telstras issue to deal with. In time they will upgrade all of their switchs and will be able to support adsl2, but by then everyone will want adsl3(?) connectivity.
JB
So wouldn't it then make most sense to have the infrastructure build by a consortium of companies/ coop and give everyone the same level of access at the same wholesale prices and conditions. Maybe I am simplifying this to much.
Dear GW247,
From our records you are using the internet soley to look at
1.seabreeze.com
2.'looping 'and 'vulcan' videos on you tube
3. porn.
4. Eagle Boys Pizza.
If your internet habits change in the future we may decide to help with your ADSL 2+ dilema.
Yours Sincerely
Eric Smugg,
Telstra - Complaints Department