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The Radio Control 3d flying fraud thread

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Created by Reflex Films > 9 months ago, 19 Oct 2010
Reflex Films
WA, 1446 posts
19 Oct 2010 8:28PM
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you have probably all seen those radio control electric plane videos where they hover and spin in mid air

Reflex Films exposes them for the frauds that they are:





ps -this is a super fun no wind activity

Mark _australia
WA, 22414 posts
19 Oct 2010 10:47PM
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Oh, look it is not heli 3D but it is OK

seriously - awesome!!!

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
20 Oct 2010 11:45AM
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Thats so cool, where was that park? Looks like Cott??

6.20 a magpie attacks the plane

GalahOnTheBay
NSW, 4188 posts
20 Oct 2010 7:26PM
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Cool vid, thanks for sharing.

I am disappointed there was no footage of the plane doing laps in the train [}:)]

waxman
SA, 1390 posts
20 Oct 2010 8:15PM
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For the last 12 mths i have been flying PA planes, both the AMR and extra MX cant wait to add a new Addy X to the hanger. I had to laugh when i saw that video all of the crew involved with PA are a great bunch of guys.

waxman
SA, 1390 posts
20 Oct 2010 8:35PM
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Mark _australia said...

Oh, look it is not heli 3D but it is OK

seriously - awesome!!!


You have to love heli 3D, cant fake this.

Reflex Films
WA, 1446 posts
20 Oct 2010 7:35PM
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my thoughts on the insane heli action:

is it technically amazing flying - hell yes

is it pretty to watch - not really. in fact it just looks plain silly.


personally i like the precision plane stuff with graceful lines and controlled arcs.

Gorgo
VIC, 4982 posts
20 Oct 2010 10:50PM
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Do it again ... with a real helicopter.

Mark _australia
WA, 22414 posts
20 Oct 2010 10:48PM
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Reflex Films said...

my thoughts on the insane heli action:

is it technically amazing flying - hell yes

is it pretty to watch - not really. in fact it just looks plain silly.


personally i like the precision plane stuff with graceful lines and controlled arcs.


I disagree. The plane is more graceful but .... (oh no here we go, I'll upset the plane guys here) .. the heli is just straight out harder. By the time you can hover a heli in all orientations, a plane guy is doing circuits and rolls. You can fly a plane upside down with only elevator (one stick moved a bit) or take your hands off for a few seconds in level flight.

A heli requires 2 thumbs moving constantly in 8 directions just to stay in the air in normal hover or slow forward flight.... let alone the sh!t they are doing in 3D nowadays.

Plus a minor crash with a heli does not mean just a new prop and wing section like a plane would need - it means heaps more $$$ and many more hours setting up a rotor head with pitch gauges and balancing etc etc. I think you have to be much more committed to learn to 3D a heli (and have 2 jobs, no missus, and maybe be a bit loony )

Might not look as graceful but it is waaay more technical so I think it is a better watch for spectators.

But as I said your video was 'kn awesome and the flying was very special

busterwa
3777 posts
20 Oct 2010 11:08PM
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Waste of money.

waxman
SA, 1390 posts
21 Oct 2010 11:04AM
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Mark _australia said...

Reflex Films said...

my thoughts on the insane heli action:

is it technically amazing flying - hell yes

is it pretty to watch - not really. in fact it just looks plain silly.


personally i like the precision plane stuff with graceful lines and controlled arcs.


I disagree. The plane is more graceful but .... (oh no here we go, I'll upset the plane guys here) .. the heli is just straight out harder. By the time you can hover a heli in all orientations, a plane guy is doing circuits and rolls. You can fly a plane upside down with only elevator (one stick moved a bit) or take your hands off for a few seconds in level flight.

A heli requires 2 thumbs moving constantly in 8 directions just to stay in the air in normal hover or slow forward flight.... let alone the sh!t they are doing in 3D nowadays.

Plus a minor crash with a heli does not mean just a new prop and wing section like a plane would need - it means heaps more $$$ and many more hours setting up a rotor head with pitch gauges and balancing etc etc. I think you have to be much more committed to learn to 3D a heli (and have 2 jobs, no missus, and maybe be a bit loony )

Might not look as graceful but it is waaay more technical so I think it is a better watch for spectators.

But as I said your video was 'kn awesome and the flying was very special




I agree with you a bit but not 100%, i also fly helis at the club but due to the occasional crash i only fly hard 3d with my 450 sized heli, which in my worst crash so far has cost just under $200 to fix, but on average it works out to about $80 per crash. My next crash could be pricey as i am now using Radix CF blades which are close to $100 a pair and will chop the heli to pieces in a bad crash. The helis in that clip are mostly 50 and 90 sized helis they cost on average 300-500 dollars per crash. ouch. Set up is the worst part getting the heli to feel right and adjusted to suit your flying style can take between 4 hrs to weeks as some problems can be hard to track down and normally need a stripdown and rebuild to fix.

Helis are a lot more technical to fly and some people never make it past doing tail in hovers, being scared to crash, and scared of the blades that are swinging around at 3200rm doesnt help, nerves are a helis worst enemy. Maintenance is ongoing and helis need to be checked after every flight to make sure they are not going to fly to pieces next flight.

Spectator wise, most people think helis are amazing but generally get bored after a couple of minuets because they cant keep up with it and a lot of the moves all look the same, where as planes flying 3d really draw there attention. I fly my planes just to do something relaxing to rest the brain between heliflights, even though the heli is only in the air for around 4 mins it is mentally exhausting, there is not a lot of room for error and losing track of orientation will see the heli in the dirt.

I love this hobby.

sausage
QLD, 4873 posts
21 Oct 2010 12:10PM
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A fraud and a criminal - takes the train to park with RC plane but steals someones car and drives home

Mark _australia
WA, 22414 posts
21 Oct 2010 12:35PM
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waxman said...

Mark _australia said...

Reflex Films said...

my thoughts on the insane heli action:

is it technically amazing flying - hell yes

is it pretty to watch - not really. in fact it just looks plain silly.


personally i like the precision plane stuff with graceful lines and controlled arcs.


blah blah blah


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My next crash could be pricey as i am now using Radix CF blades which are close to $100 a pair and will chop the heli to pieces in a bad crash.

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I love this hobby.




Don't buy radix blades. Go to deal extreme in Hong Kong and get them for $10 a pair in 325mm (that is from memory) and free post.
I got heaps of sets when i was learning on a Blade400

When I did trash them I had a look and they were well made, very rarely they may have aresin bubble that needs to be popped and filled with some araldite so they balance easier. I found out of 5 sets only set needed a bit more tape to balance (they were as good to balance as standard Align woodies)

waxman
SA, 1390 posts
21 Oct 2010 4:46PM
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I have used cheap CF blades from Deal extreme, hobby king, flying hobby and other local shops and have used radix, edge, rotor tech and align blades they all handle it well but i wanted blades that gave me that little bit more my flight times were down to 3 1/2 mins using most blades and a good Quality 45c battery consuming around 2000+ mah changing to one of the quality blades bought down the battery consumption and gave a little more performance and that was what i was chasing, i don't crash a lot and when learning new tricks change blades but once dialled just love the Radix. At the moment i'm loving fast backwards inverted flight in and out of moves as well as funnels morthing between different orientations, inverted low hovers to settle the nervs and then some pyro tail slides aileron tictocs and what ever is good flips, rolls and FF circuits. Sure is a lot of fun, i wish i could afford a bigger heli but maby next winter when the flying season starts again 550 or a 600 would be nice

GalahOnTheBay
NSW, 4188 posts
21 Oct 2010 7:57PM
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busterwa said...

Waste of money.



What fell out of the back of the plane at 0:17? Was that supposed to be a parachute?

waxman
SA, 1390 posts
21 Oct 2010 10:17PM
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You to can fly a turbine powered jet for around 10-15 grand

It don't think that part was meant to come off, it appears that is what bought it down. These things are crazy, but need to be inspected every year by a club and they need permits to fly them.

bingles
WA, 363 posts
21 Oct 2010 8:09PM
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Surprised more people dont fly gliders - unpowered flight, purest form of flight

Cassa
WA, 1305 posts
21 Oct 2010 8:28PM
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All looks good , but try one of these , you can fly without leaving the lounge


Nath
WA, 113 posts
21 Oct 2010 8:34PM
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Ha ha, you guys are hilarious – call the cops!

cisco
QLD, 12337 posts
21 Oct 2010 10:57PM
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This is a wind sports site is it not??

So check these vids.





But here is one for the petrol heads:-



And here are a couple for the peasants among us who cannot afford petrol:-



Rider5
WA, 567 posts
24 Oct 2010 3:58PM
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Reflex Films said...

you have probably all seen those radio control electric plane videos where they hover and spin in mid air

Reflex Films exposes them for the frauds that they are:





ps -this is a super fun no wind activity


Thats a whopper !



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