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Forums > General Discussion   Shooting the breeze...

Tony and gina

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Created by BennyB12 > 9 months ago, 23 Sep 2013
BennyB12
QLD, 918 posts
23 Sep 2013 10:23AM
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Just got news that abbot has given Reinhardt the go a head to start ripping up the reef for her export terminal... Not a good start for our local environment.... Oh sure, money money money.... Greedy fackin boogers..... I worked on sail/ divecharters and we pulled punters from the water for standing on or touching the reef... Seems kinda pointless now... Carnts...

evlPanda
NSW, 9204 posts
23 Sep 2013 1:15PM
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Are you absolutely sure she is actually going to actually rip up the actual Great Barrier actual Reef? Really?

That sounds so preposterous that it sounds more like the actions of a James Bond villain, or far more likely a rumour based on misguided misunderstanding of misinformation that grew wings because Tony + Gina = food for rage-aholics.

Preemptive: Because salt.

Skid
QLD, 1499 posts
23 Sep 2013 1:40PM
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I agree with sentiments of BennyB12's post.

It's not so much the 'ripping of reef' that concerns me, it is the many millions of tons of spoil/silt that will be dumped and settle wherever the current takes it. You don't have to rip coral up to kill it; a layer of silt will do it.

You can be sure that the disposal of silt will be done in the cheapest possible way, NOT the way that causes the least harm. I haven't read the EIS for this project but have read others for similar projects. Even when the science shows the proposed methods are not effective, it all gets driven by cost.

cisco
QLD, 12350 posts
23 Sep 2013 10:00PM
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If you are referring to the expansion of the Abbot Point (funny about the name) coal terminal, the nearest reef is Old Reef some 25 nm north of it. Also those waters are part of the main shipping channel inside the GBR and has a depth in excess of 40 metres.

I am no fan of Gina the Gorilla but she won't be ripping up the reef and I can't see that the expansion will have any significant impact on the GBR.

Do you have more specific information about what she will be doing?

CMC
QLD, 3954 posts
23 Sep 2013 10:17PM
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Doesn't seem so impossible.





Gestalt
QLD, 14462 posts
23 Sep 2013 11:02PM
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that's got to be the best speed run I've seen,

where is it?

Tractorguy
TAS, 542 posts
24 Sep 2013 9:35PM
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BennyB12 said..
Just got news that abbot has given Reinhardt the go a head to start ripping up the reef for her export terminal... Not a good start for our local environment.... Oh sure, money money money.... Greedy fackin boogers..... I worked on sail/ divecharters and we pulled punters from the water for standing on or touching the reef... Seems kinda pointless now... Carnts...


I hope you are wrong Benny

Tractorguy
TAS, 542 posts
24 Sep 2013 10:40PM
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cisco said..
If you are referring to the expansion of the Abbot Point (funny about the name) coal terminal, the nearest reef is Old Reef some 25 nm north of it. Also those waters are part of the main shipping channel inside the GBR and has a depth in excess of 40 metres.

I am no fan of Gina the Gorilla but she won't be ripping up the reef and I can't see that the expansion will have any significant impact on the GBR.

Do you have more specific information about what she will be doing?


Pretty emotional Topic up here, most land based businesses want this to happen cause they see financial prosperity in it.
The local overweight polly initially did not want it publicly , then changed his mind when he got tapped on the shoulder by his superiors.

For those who dont no, this area , 20 klicks nth of Bowen, it was Pristine until the first stage of the terminal was developed years ago, and coal was mined in the west and stored at Abbot point, uncovered on open ground, then sent overseas.
We are talking cyrstal clear waters , great fishing, crabbing , snorkelling, an a abundance of turtles dugong and lots of pelagics that live in the zone. You could lilterally walk into the tidal zone and find mud crabs, just like the hervey bay when i was a kid.
When works were started on the orignal terminal the water turned sour and to this day is still dirty up to 50 klicks from the terminal. Coal dust can be found on the beaches that align the terminal.
In the last couple of wet years hundreds of turtles have been found dead on beaches to the north and south of the terminal and the pollies cant wont give answers on the causes. I reckon poisens from coal and gold mines in the upper reaches 150 k away were flooded into these areas.IMO


The new plan is to open expand dredge/dump inside the GBR. The closest reef system is a stones throw away, not old reef, it extends all the way to camp island then following cape upstart and all the way through to bowling green bay . This zone is remarkable for ocean life .
If the Miners are allowed to dump dredge spoil, a couple of hundred dugoung will be dislodged and some will die. The turtles that are left are at risk of death cause of the polluted water. Who nows whats gunna happen to the fishery ?

The fallout on land from the mine development is another story. Most notably polluted waterways that are recognised by the miner and accepted by the government
anyone got the Gladstone dredging photos from last year, thats were we are headed if it goes ahead.





Tractorguy
TAS, 542 posts
30 Sep 2013 10:03PM
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So is it TRUE

cisco
QLD, 12350 posts
1 Oct 2013 3:11PM
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Doesn't sound good. What I do know is that the Abott Point jetty is a bitch of a thing to get past if you are sailing south and the waters are quite murky.

Sounds like the local member has the usual pollies affliction, selective deafness.

evlPanda
NSW, 9204 posts
1 Oct 2013 3:32PM
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CMC said..



Is that dredged or is that natural?

Doesn't look very straight. Plenty of other channels that look exactly the same all around it; Block Reef.

(Seriously, how the **** do you share a location on the new Google Maps? It sucks)
D'uh. the URL
www.google.com.au/maps/preview#!q=Block+Reef&data=!1m4!1m3!1d158650!2d149.4860852!3d-19.7540506!2m1!1e3!4m10!1m9!4m8!1m3!1d158654!2d149.4649609!3d-19.7495427!3m2!1i2144!2i1014!4f13.1&fid=7

southace
SA, 4783 posts
1 Oct 2013 5:44PM
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My guess its hook passage........it's all natural and no dredging or mining or what ever happens near this area.



Or black reef passage 71 metres!






pweedas
WA, 4642 posts
1 Oct 2013 5:20PM
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evlPanda said..



Is that dredged or is that natural?



Definitely not dredged for the purpose of use by large ships.
Ships are steered from the rear so to navigate channels with bends in them they need to be able to swing the rear out wide to track on the new course.
Dredged channels are always straight lines, or straight lines between deeper and wider sections large enough to establish a new heading.

cisco
QLD, 12350 posts
2 Oct 2013 2:53PM
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Being as how the image is from Australian Geographic it is extremely doubtful it would be of a dredged channel.



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