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Forums > General Discussion   Shooting the breeze...

UN Security Council = "Clowns"

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Created by choco > 9 months ago, 28 May 2012
choco
SA, 4098 posts
28 May 2012 6:15PM
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How many people in Syria need to die before these "clowns" act?
10,000+ ?

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
28 May 2012 4:53PM
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Do they have oil?

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
28 May 2012 7:42PM
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choco said...

How many people in Syria need to die before these "clowns" act?
10,000+ ?



Probably times that by 100 and there still won't be any action.

What sort of action should there be? Invade the place with armoured columns and airborn infantry, kick out the Assad regime, track him down, hang him, set up a provisional government?


The yanks pulled similar stunts next door in Iraq, blowing the crap out of Najaf and Fallujah, killing heaps of civilians in the process and the UN did nothing much about that.

Its one bunch of bastards fighting another bunch of bastards and some other poor bastards getting caught in the middle.

The worst thing the UN could do is impose something like a no fly zone that will draw out the fighting for another 10 years or more. Better to stay out of it. Its costing untold billions all these middle eastern wars and the return is just death and maiming of our soldiers.

The Syrian opposition groups are full of Sunni fundalmentalists who want to turn the place into a Islamic state.





choco
SA, 4098 posts
28 May 2012 7:17PM
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Mobydisc said...

choco said...

How many people in Syria need to die before these "clowns" act?
10,000+ ?



Probably times that by 100 and there still won't be any action.

What sort of action should there be? Invade the place with armoured columns and airborn infantry, kick out the Assad regime, track him down, hang him, set up a provisional government?


The yanks pulled similar stunts next door in Iraq, blowing the crap out of Najaf and Fallujah, killing heaps of civilians in the process and the UN did nothing much about that.

Its one bunch of bastards fighting another bunch of bastards and some other poor bastards getting caught in the middle.

The worst thing the UN could do is impose something like a no fly zone that will draw out the fighting for another 10 years or more. Better to stay out of it. Its costing untold billions all these middle eastern wars and the return is just death and maiming of our soldiers.

The Syrian opposition groups are full of Sunni fundalmentalists who want to turn the place into a Islamic state.








simple, arm the people to even up the fight

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
28 May 2012 7:52PM
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Arming them up might be the way if one side was in the right. However I think the Syrian opposition are the sort of people who'd like to take the "revolution" to wherever it leads.

Assad is a prick, no doubt about it. Half the problem is people thought or think he is weak, perhaps because he doesn't have much of a chin and trained as an eye doctor. So he is now acting as a hard bastard to prove his credibility.


Assad won't give in.

Jradedmondo
NSW, 635 posts
28 May 2012 7:54PM
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at least the yanks do something

thats better than sitting on your ass and doing nothing like the UN do,
there will be casualties no matter what happens, imo its good that america has the balls to do something because no one else does

Jarryd

choco
SA, 4098 posts
28 May 2012 7:29PM
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Jradedmondo said...

at least the yanks do something

thats better than sitting on your ass and doing nothing like the UN do,
there will be casualties no matter what happens, imo its good that america has the balls to do something because no one else does

Jarryd


that's right, imagine if the UN were the fire department house is burning down and they would be sitting around having meetings working out the best way to put out the fire

Mark _australia
WA, 22882 posts
28 May 2012 6:32PM
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choco said...
simple, arm the people to even up the fight


Tried that in the 1980's to enable the Mujahideen to repel Soviet invaders.
That worked well Many of the ungrateful wankers still hate us because their book tells them to, and all the training / weapons provided is used against the West

petermac33
WA, 6415 posts
28 May 2012 9:21PM
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The U.S used white phosphorus in Fallujah,a weapon of mass destruction. If you refused to evacuate Fallujah and survived the burning of the white phosphorus,you were considered enemy,many were terminated.

Where is the investigation by the U.N or U.S into this?

Mark _australia
WA, 22882 posts
28 May 2012 9:36PM
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petermac33 said...

The U.S used white phosphorus in Fallujah,a weapon of mass destruction. If you refused to evacuate Fallujah and survived the burning of the white phosphorus,you were considered enemy,many were terminated.

Where is the investigation by the U.N or U.S into this?


All military forces in the world use WP
It is not illegal
Saddam saw fit to use it against his own people, are you going to post about that?

Apart from calling it a weapon of mass destruction, which it clearly is not (by definition) what is your point?

log man
VIC, 8289 posts
28 May 2012 11:41PM
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The UN is not authorised to take action.

mineral1
WA, 4564 posts
28 May 2012 9:50PM
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Middle East been killing one and other for centuries
Honorable sentiment choco, but as a realist, there isn't a solution for them other than exchanging one brutal dictator for another.
All the UN can do is hope to contain it within its current boundaries .
Look at Libya, what a bloody mess then again they do have some oil.

petermac33
WA, 6415 posts
28 May 2012 10:01PM
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All military forces in the world use WP
It is not illegal
Saddam saw fit to use it against his own people, are you going to post about that?

Apart from calling it a weapon of mass destruction, which it clearly is not (by definition) what is your point?




As far as i'm concerned, any weapon that kills in such a vast,horrid way is a weapon of mass destruction.

If it's not illegal then obviously it should be.

Macroscien
QLD, 6808 posts
29 May 2012 12:08AM
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The question is if people always have right to riot against authority ?
Even minorities against majority?
So if there are willing victims of their stupidity is that is always a matter of UN to intervene?
That could be really bad example to encourage and engulf every minor conflict or problem into local war.
Follow this every state on the Earth could find find small opposition willing to draw blood instead of drawing votes in democratic process.
I do blame opposition for that lost lives at least as much if not more as oppressors.

For those still in doubt I suggest to look at recent history that could finish in the bloodiest conflict in human history but all happen without single life lost.
Disintegration of Eastern Europe and communist block.

The main difference between "East/West Europe" and "Middle East" was the first was very well educated indeed and could choose and come to rational solution.

If there is anything for UN to do maybe print a history books and drop on the heads from the air in affected by ignorance areas, not the weapons.

Mark _australia
WA, 22882 posts
28 May 2012 10:22PM
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petermac33 said...



All military forces in the world use WP
It is not illegal
Saddam saw fit to use it against his own people, are you going to post about that?

Apart from calling it a weapon of mass destruction, which it clearly is not (by definition) what is your point?




As far as i'm concerned, any weapon that kills in such a vast,horrid way is a weapon of mass destruction.

If it's not illegal then obviously it should be.



Granted, it is horrid. It probably should be banned. So should war.

But it is not a weapon of mass destruction, pure and simple, an artillery shell with WP in it kills the same amount of people as one of similar size with no WP.
It is not biological, nuclear or poison gas.
You have used the term "mass destruction" to add weight to your post, emotional, inflammatory and very media-like ...... you could get a job on Today Tonight.

japie
NSW, 7076 posts
29 May 2012 10:02AM
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mineral1 said...

Middle East been killing one and other for centuries
Honorable sentiment choco, but as a realist, there isn't a solution for them other than exchanging one brutal dictator for another.
All the UN can do is hope to contain it within its current boundaries .
Look at Libya, what a bloody mess then again they do have some oil.


Oh intrepid and learned student of history! And Europe has not been "killing one another" for centuries?

Why do so many people just parrot the crud that is fed to us by the main stream media. Any tosser with half a brain can see within half an hours reading of the other side of the story that the sh1te we get fed is propaganda.

Unfortunately the situation in the middle east is extremely complex and cannot be summed up in as many words as will hold the parrots attention. What can be said is that a significant amount of the problems being played out there, no nearly all, are as a direct result of Western nations meddling in internal affairs.

Like propping up wankers such as Mubarak or helping depose popularly and democratically elected individuals like Mosaddegh.

And Choco's honourable sentiment about arming the other side, who the hell do you think is arming them, training them, financing them and feeding them? The Dalai Lama?

Jradedmondo
NSW, 635 posts
29 May 2012 10:08AM
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in summary the UN are pussies that sit on their asses and do nothing

Jarryd

japie
NSW, 7076 posts
29 May 2012 10:27AM
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Jradedmondo said...

in summary the UN are pussies that sit on their asses and do nothing

Jarryd


Your summary. There ain't no one is going to stop you from shouting your ignorance from the roof tops.

Macroscien
QLD, 6808 posts
29 May 2012 10:28AM
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I wonder if there is any country in the whole world , even the poorest African one that would sacrifice their freedom in exchange for full control and compliance by UN?

It could be interesting experiment to see the poorest African state voted one day to be govern my UN experts in exchange for vision of prosperity and peace.

-Universal state constitution could be drawn.
-Human rights assured ( and all religions banned ! )
-No private weapons at all .
-Work for everybody willing to do so ( even if created and subsidies by UN)
-Compulsory education for 10 years at least
- Compulsory home for every family with mortaged loan for next 25 years that MUST be repaid with interest
-Fully computerized and ID's whole community (for total control)

Even if founded as whole world experiment-project could be cheaper that next war.


felixdcat
WA, 3519 posts
29 May 2012 9:38AM
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Religious fanatics trying to take the power........... baaaaaaaaah! deja-vu!!!!! (Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq........... Ireland?)
Just stay out of it as there's nothing to gain. They will sort it out themselves and one dictator will get the power.
Some countries are not meant to have democracy, my grand dad used to believe that Italy and Greece were like that.
Just build more detention centres here as the Syrian boats are going to come soon!

dinsdale
WA, 1227 posts
29 May 2012 10:35AM
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This about sums up the UN.

mineral1
WA, 4564 posts
29 May 2012 10:39AM
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japie said...

mineral1 said...

Middle East been killing one and other for centuries
Honorable sentiment choco, but as a realist, there isn't a solution for them other than exchanging one brutal dictator for another.
All the UN can do is hope to contain it within its current boundaries .
Look at Libya, what a bloody mess then again they do have some oil.


Oh intrepid and learned student of history! And Europe has not been "killing one another" for centuries?

Why do so many people just parrot the crud that is fed to us by the main stream media. Any tosser with half a brain can see within half an hours reading of the other side of the story that the sh1te we get fed is propaganda.

Unfortunately the situation in the middle east is extremely complex and cannot be summed up in as many words as will hold the parrots attention. What can be said is that a significant amount of the problems being played out there, no nearly all, are as a direct result of Western nations meddling in internal affairs.

Like propping up wankers such as Mubarak or helping depose popularly and democratically elected individuals like Mosaddegh.

And Choco's honourable sentiment about arming the other side, who the hell do you think is arming them, training them, financing them and feeding them? The Dalai Lama?



Can I get a kilo of whatever you are on
The topic was or is reflecting Syria ya goose

harry potter
VIC, 2777 posts
29 May 2012 12:58PM
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The UN are hamstrung any proposal to intervene will be vetoed by China and Russia ...as always.
Assad is a murderer even the Arab league think so.

kiteboy dave
QLD, 6525 posts
29 May 2012 1:31PM
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Macroscien said...

I wonder if there is any country in the whole world , even the poorest African one that would sacrifice their freedom in exchange for full control and compliance by UN?

It could be interesting experiment to see the poorest African state voted one day to be govern my UN experts in exchange for vision of prosperity and peace.

-Universal state constitution could be drawn.
-Human rights assured ( and all religions banned ! )
-No private weapons at all .
-Work for everybody willing to do so ( even if created and subsidies by UN)
-Compulsory education for 10 years at least
- Compulsory home for every family with mortaged loan for next 25 years that MUST be repaid with interest
-Fully computerized and ID's whole community (for total control)

Even if founded as whole world experiment-project could be cheaper that next war.


And thus Macro invents communism

japie
NSW, 7076 posts
29 May 2012 2:31PM
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^@Mineral1

What is happening in Syria is a carbon copy of what happened in Libya, honk honk.

It is being disrupted with the goal of destabilising it. This is being done by Nato interests supported by the same old crew, Blackwater et al. I do not pretend to have the full picture of what is going on over there but I sure as hell know that the "picture" that we are given by mainstream media is completely one sided.

Oh, and congratulations on your wit and debating skills

dinsdale
WA, 1227 posts
29 May 2012 12:51PM
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Pat always has an entertaining view.

dinsdale
WA, 1227 posts
29 May 2012 1:07PM
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mineral1 said...
The topic was or is reflecting Syria ya goose

The topic is, and I quote, "UN Security Council = "Clowns"", ya goose!

choco
SA, 4098 posts
29 May 2012 2:47PM
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japie said...

^@Mineral1

What is happening in Syria is a carbon copy of what happened in Libya, honk honk.

It is being disrupted with the goal of destabilising it. This is being done by Nato interests supported by the same old crew, Blackwater et al. I do not pretend to have the full picture of what is going on over there but I sure as hell know that the "picture" that we are given by mainstream media is completely one sided.

Oh, and congratulations on your wit and debating skills


Did any kids in Lybia have their throats cut like in Syria recently? don't know how soldiers could do this to their own people/kids

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
29 May 2012 2:12PM
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This is getting more common in todays media, its a shame really

japie
NSW, 7076 posts
29 May 2012 6:06PM
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doggie said...



This is getting more common in todays media, its a shame really


Exactly, well said Doggie.

Did some kids have their throats cut? Did Syrian soldiers do it?

You would not have a clue. We cannot even trust what our own prime minister says, never mind attribute blame to something that purportedly took place on the other side of the globe.



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