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Forums > General Discussion   Shooting the breeze...

Union Leader Kevin Bracken 911 A Conspiracy

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Created by petermac33 > 9 months ago, 21 Oct 2010
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petermac33
WA, 6415 posts
21 Oct 2010 5:11AM
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driving home listening to news on radio, could not believe what i was hearing.

2 planes bring down 3 superstructures in free-fall speed....yeah right.


www.heraldsun.com.au/nocookies?a=A.flavipes

lightwood
VIC, 392 posts
21 Oct 2010 9:02AM
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Interesting to read the readers comments below, about 50/50 i reckon.

mattyjee
WA, 575 posts
21 Oct 2010 7:15AM
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haha.

my favourite quote from comment 20:

"it WAS a conspiracy. look it up, there are facts all over the internet".

hahahahahahahahaha!!!!!

maxm
NSW, 864 posts
21 Oct 2010 10:17AM
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mattyjee said...

haha.

my favourite quote from comment 20:

"it WAS a conspiracy. look it up, there are facts all over the internet".

hahahahahahahahaha!!!!!


Reminds me of Jeremy Clarkson on QI the other night. He said "all of of the six and a half billion facts on the internet. Every single one of them is wrong"

japie
NSW, 7059 posts
21 Oct 2010 11:42AM
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The "attacks" of 9/11 were perpetrated by the people who benefited from the incident and it's aftermath, the same people who orchestrated the attack on the Lusitania bringing America into the first world war. They have perfected the art.

The self same people who control the mainstream media, the fiat money systems of most western countries for over a century and, in the the case of the United States, the government, and by default the foreign policies of her allies.

It does not matter that the proletariat are sceptical. In this incidence they have overstepped the mark and will be their undoing.

saltiest1
NSW, 2510 posts
21 Oct 2010 12:15PM
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im sick of hearing it.

westozwind
WA, 1399 posts
21 Oct 2010 9:25AM
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Maybe this is worth a revisit...
What do you mean about the truth on the internet, are you implying that there are lies on websites. OMG

10 characteristics of conspiracy theorists
A useful guide by Donna Ferentes

1. Arrogance. They are always fact-seekers, questioners, people who are trying to discover the truth: sceptics are always "sheep", patsies for Messrs Bush and Blair etc.

2. Relentlessness. They will always go on and on about a conspiracy no matter how little evidence they have to go on or how much of what they have is simply discredited. (Moreover, as per 1. above, even if you listen to them ninety-eight times, the ninety-ninth time, when you say "no thanks", you'll be called a "sheep" again.) Additionally, they have no capacity for precis whatsoever. They go on and on at enormous length.

3. Inability to answer questions. For people who loudly advertise their determination to the principle of questioning everything, they're pretty poor at answering direct questions from sceptics about the claims that they make.

4. Fondness for certain stock phrases. These include Cicero's "cui bono?" (of which it can be said that Cicero understood the importance of having evidence to back it up) and Conan Doyle's "once we have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however unlikely, must be the truth". What these phrases have in common is that they are attempts to absolve themselves from any responsibility to produce positive, hard evidence themselves: you simply "eliminate the impossible" (i.e. say the official account can't stand scrutiny) which means that the wild allegation of your choice, based on "cui bono?" (which is always the government) is therefore the truth.

5. Inability to employ or understand Occam's Razor. Aided by the principle in 4. above, conspiracy theorists never notice that the small inconsistencies in the accounts which they reject are dwarfed by the enormous, gaping holes in logic, likelihood and evidence in any alternative account.

6. Inability to tell good evidence from bad. Conspiracy theorists have no place for peer-review, for scientific knowledge, for the respectability of sources. The fact that a claim has been made by anybody, anywhere, is enough for them to reproduce it and demand that the questions it raises be answered, as if intellectual enquiry were a matter of responding to every rumour. While they do this, of course, they will claim to have "open minds" and abuse the sceptics for apparently lacking same.

7. Inability to withdraw. It's a rare day indeed when a conspiracy theorist admits that a claim they have made has turned out to be without foundation, whether it be the overall claim itself or any of the evidence produced to support it. Moreover they have a liking (see 3. above) for the technique of avoiding discussion of their claims by "swamping" - piling on a whole lot more material rather than respond to the objections sceptics make to the previous lot.

8. Leaping to conclusions. Conspiracy theorists are very keen indeed to declare the "official" account totally discredited without having remotely enough cause so to do. Of course this enables them to wheel on the Conan Doyle quote as in 4. above. Small inconsistencies in the account of an event, small unanswered questions, small problems in timing of differences in procedure from previous events of the same kind are all more than adequate to declare the "official" account clearly and definitively discredited. It goes without saying that it is not necessary to prove that these inconsistencies are either relevant, or that they even definitely exist.

9. Using previous conspiracies as evidence to support their claims. This argument invokes scandals like the Birmingham Six, the Bologna station bombings, the Zinoviev letter and so on in order to try and demonstrate that their conspiracy theory should be accorded some weight (because it's “happened before”.) They do not pause to reflect that the conspiracies they are touting are almost always far more unlikely and complicated than the real-life conspiracies with which they make comparison, or that the fact that something might potentially happen does not, in and of itself, make it anything other than extremely unlikely.

10. It's always a conspiracy. And it is, isn't it? No sooner has the body been discovered, the bomb gone off, than the same people are producing the same old stuff, demanding that there are questions which need to be answered, at the same unbearable length. Because the most important thing about these people is that they are people entirely lacking in discrimination. They cannot tell a good theory from a bad one, they cannot tell good evidence from bad evidence and they cannot tell a good source from a bad one. And for that reason, they always come up with the same answer when they ask the same question.

da vecta
QLD, 2514 posts
21 Oct 2010 11:42AM
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Some great person on this site has already proved 99.99999% of conspiracies theories as frauds by explaining how difficult it is to get any staff member to follow even the simplest of instruction. How then do all these people achieve so much in complete secret then?

BTW, who offered this above explanation? I thought it was very good.

(All of my staff are great at following instructions BTW )

japie
NSW, 7059 posts
21 Oct 2010 12:44PM
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saltiest1 said...

im sick of hearing it.




You mean reading it surely? You must have a strong masochistic streak. When I see something I am not intersted in I simply ignore it.

Try not opening the thread, that may remove the nausea

Lost73
QLD, 28 posts
21 Oct 2010 11:45AM
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Found someone that will listen to you PM33 - Barb from the ANZ...



elmo
WA, 8768 posts
21 Oct 2010 10:10AM
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poor relative
WA, 9091 posts
21 Oct 2010 10:16AM
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japie
NSW, 7059 posts
21 Oct 2010 1:24PM
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poor relative said...




I have it on good authority that Marlon Brando batted for both sides!

poor relative
WA, 9091 posts
21 Oct 2010 10:25AM
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GreenPat
QLD, 4087 posts
21 Oct 2010 12:35PM
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PR, posting a youtube video, what on earth...

elmo
WA, 8768 posts
21 Oct 2010 10:39AM
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japie said...

poor relative said...




I have it on good authority that Marlon Brando batted for both sides!


I didn't even realize he played Cricket let alone on both the English and Australian teams

poor relative
WA, 9091 posts
21 Oct 2010 10:43AM
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GreenPat said...

PR, posting a youtube video, what on earth...


Back off big fella or i'm quoting text

japie
NSW, 7059 posts
21 Oct 2010 1:54PM
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I watched that. Really neat!

And building 7 that came down at 5.21 pm? The one that Larry Silverstein said they "pulled" that was on fire but not hit by a plane? What caused that? It was reported collapsed by the BBC prior to it falling. (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center) and collapse it did.

Funny thing, the 9/11 commission chose to ignore the fact that it "collapsed" all together by making no mention of it in the final report!

Something a bit fishy!

Our mate Lazza made an absolute motza out of it. Course he had no prior knowledge!



japie
NSW, 7059 posts
21 Oct 2010 1:57PM
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elmo said...

japie said...

poor relative said...




I have it on good authority that Marlon Brando batted for both sides!


I didn't even realize he played Cricket let alone on both the English and Australian teams


Yup, very versatile apparently. His batting partner was a well known shoe designer in London!

waxman
SA, 1390 posts
21 Oct 2010 1:42PM
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elmo said...













Carantoc
WA, 6970 posts
21 Oct 2010 11:49AM
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Kate Aide once reported on the BBC she was in the midst of battle on the front line of the gulf war.

Turned out she was in a nice comfy Saudi hotel sipping G&Ts and shooting a story with a background edited in afterwards. But the fact she reported incorrectly doesn't mean the gulf war didn't happen.

Anyway I thought everything the mainstream media reports is lies, thus if the BBC reported it felled down, presumably by the conspiracy forumla, it stayed up.

Or, in this case did the mainstream media report the truth ? It is so hard to remember who is telling the truth and keeping up with what is happening. It hurts my brain.

Carantoc
WA, 6970 posts
21 Oct 2010 11:55AM
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So what other facts regularly come out of militant unionists ?

All business is anti the worker
You must join a union or you will be abused
Eureka stockade was the poor working class rising up against the giant oppressor
Kevin Reynolds works soley for the benefit of the worker, (in fact if anyone is a member of the illuminati abusing the populace to feather their own nest then he must an arch-general illuminati commadore or something -


(Disclaimer - as the illuminati don't exist Kevin Reynolds isn't a member of them nor is is feathering his own nest at the expense of the populus or doing anything untoward or incorrect)

What is written above is not necessarily the views or opinions of the forum poster

Carantoc
WA, 6970 posts
21 Oct 2010 11:57AM
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petermac33 said...

driving home listening to news on radio, could not believe what i was hearing.

2 planes bring down 3 superstructures in free-fall speed....yeah right.


www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/trades-hall-president-kevin-bracken-calls-911-conspiracy/comments-e6frf7kx-1225941158523


In fact what are you doing listen to radio and reading the Herald Sun ?

Have they finally got to you ?

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
21 Oct 2010 12:30PM
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PM33 is collecting red thumbs again!!

Bigwavedave
QLD, 2057 posts
21 Oct 2010 3:34PM
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Lost73 said...

Found someone that will listen to you PM33 - Barb from the ANZ...






Am I wrong or is this Dave Hughes in drag?

grumplestiltskin
WA, 2331 posts
21 Oct 2010 2:54PM
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Bigwavedave said...



Am I wrong or is this Dave Hughes in drag?


No, its Genevieve Morris, OR, Is that another conspiracy theory????????

www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/thirty-seconds-of-fame-for-genevieve-morris-after-that-bank-ad/story-e6freuy9-1225834063564

ginger pom
VIC, 1746 posts
21 Oct 2010 7:33PM
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da vecta said...

Some great person on this site has already proved 99.99999% of conspiracies theories as frauds by explaining how difficult it is to get any staff member to follow even the simplest of instruction. How then do all these people achieve so much in complete secret then?

BTW, who offered this above explanation? I thought it was very good.

(All of my staff are great at following instructions BTW )



I've put it forward before. Recognising this is one of the upsides of being **** at my job.

japie
NSW, 7059 posts
21 Oct 2010 7:52PM
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Carantoc said...



Anyway I thought everything the mainstream media reports is lies, thus if the BBC reported it felled down, presumably by the conspiracy forumla, it stayed up.



You have to give the BBC their due on this one, they are really on the ball. They reported it collapsing before it did.

Must have had divine intuition!

maxm
NSW, 864 posts
21 Oct 2010 8:05PM
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This thread is rated



except maybe for the massive moving mounds.

maxm
NSW, 864 posts
21 Oct 2010 8:08PM
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Oh. And Brando too. Except Brando.

I never knew he played cricket either! Bowler was he? Liked tossing balls?

japie
NSW, 7059 posts
21 Oct 2010 8:57PM
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maxm said...

Oh. And Brando too. Except Brando.

I never knew he played cricket either! Bowler was he? Liked tossing balls?


I never found out what position he played but was quite shocked to find out that he was an afficiando.

I worked as a technician at the London School of Art, in the fashion department, which was run by a couple of very nice women but which had a lot of "cricket" players on the staff. They found it most amusing that I was often asked to join the team.

I had to deliver something to this player one day, the shoe man, and was warned that he was up for the odd game but that his current partner was Marlon.

I never felt tempted to cut him out



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