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What is the situation in Japan?

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Created by felixdcat > 9 months ago, 28 Mar 2011
felixdcat
WA, 3519 posts
28 Mar 2011 3:21PM
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The nuclear disaster totally disapeared from the news..... What is happening?

CMC
QLD, 3954 posts
28 Mar 2011 5:52PM
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Doesnt matter any more, Rugby League season has started

Simondo
VIC, 8020 posts
28 Mar 2011 8:12PM
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Further 6.5 quake today I think!

Some radiation issues still. Not totally catastrophic yet though!

I am keen for my first Japan trip in 2012 is fares are cheapish.

kite killer
NSW, 114 posts
28 Mar 2011 9:38PM
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A mate of mine just open a cafe in Japan and she was saying that bussines was a little shakey at first but now people are flooding in.

madinel
1 posts
28 Mar 2011 6:53PM
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A disaster!url=www.chessgamez.com/]Dual earthquakes hit the rural region of Myanmar on Thurs morning. Though formally the Union of Myanmar, it's also often referred to as Burma. The 2 earthquakes were 6.8 and 4.8 on the Richter scale. The middle of the earthquake was near the border of Thailand and China. The earthquakes were too far inland to cause major tsunamis.

SandS
VIC, 5904 posts
28 Mar 2011 11:03PM
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listen to ABC news on radio

shark
WA, 361 posts
28 Mar 2011 9:31PM
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felixdcat said...

The nuclear disaster totally disapeared from the news..... What is happening?


George Bush had it removed from the news.

patsken
WA, 705 posts
28 Mar 2011 9:41PM
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If anyone is really interested and has an I-phone or android of any description they can download various free apps that report any earthquakes that happen - QuakeWatch is one of them.

There has been about 30 odd quakes in various locations over magnitude 3 in the last 24 hours.

There's been 3 off Japan earlier today that were only 15 mins and 50 mins apart one of which was about mag. 6 if I remember rightly.

The app gives location, size and depth along with Google earth view depending on which app you get.

A little ghoulish but very interesting to see how many and where the quakes actually happen.....

frant
VIC, 1230 posts
29 Mar 2011 3:18PM
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felixdcat said...

The nuclear disaster totally disapeared from the news..... What is happening?


Japan has today announced that they are on the "highest state of alert" over the situation. I suspect that truth of the seriousness of the disaster might be a little suppressed so that the Japanese population don't go into full panic mode.

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
29 Mar 2011 12:35PM
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kite killer said...

A mate of mine just open a cafe in Japan and she was saying that bussines was a little shakey at first but now people are flooding in.


Old and not funny

felixdcat
WA, 3519 posts
29 Mar 2011 2:50PM
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frant said...

felixdcat said...

The nuclear disaster totally disapeared from the news..... What is happening?


Japan has today announced that they are on the "highest state of alert" over the situation. I suspect that truth of the seriousness of the disaster might be a little suppressed so that the Japanese population don't go into full panic mode.


What is the next level of alert?

Don't run away you are dead?

busterwa
3777 posts
29 Mar 2011 2:55PM
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edition.cnn.com/ASIA/
bookmark it to keep updated champ .. plutonium found in soil.

japie
NSW, 6868 posts
29 Mar 2011 10:54PM
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Here is some aerial footage showing actual damage. Any wonder, after seeing that, why they are having problems keeping it under control:

Gizmo
SA, 2865 posts
30 Mar 2011 8:41AM
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How and the hell do you clean up a mess like that?... it would be hard enough if it was a normal factory, but any clean up will take quite a while to do exposing the workers to the radiation.

Who would like to be the OH&S rep on that site?

theDoctor
NSW, 5780 posts
30 Mar 2011 3:15PM
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this is a cut and paste* of a current article available @ www.rense.com

*here is some boobs for doggie (.)(.) and what he really really wants B==D




Chernobyl And What To Expect
From ****ushima - The Facts
3-29-11


1) Radioactive contamination from the Chernobyl meltdown spread over 40% of Europe.

2) Nearly 5 million people still live with dangerous levels of radioactive contamination.

3) Most of the Chernobyl radionuclides (up to 57%) fell outside the former USSR and caused noticeable radioactive contamination over a large area of the world ­ practically the entire Northern hemisphere.

4) Levels of radioactive contamination in the first days and weeks after the catastrophe were thousands of times higher than those recorded 2 or 3 years later.

5) When the reactor exploded, it expelled not only gases and aerosols but also particles of U fuel melted together with other radionuclides ­ firm hot particles. When absorbed into the body (with water, food or inhaled air), such particles generate high doses of radiation even if an individual is in an area of low contamination.

6) Lastly, the impact of the 2400 tons (some authors estimate 6720 tons) of lead dumped from helicopters onto the reactor to quench the fire has not been adequately evaluated. A significant part of this lead was spewed out into the atmosphere as a result of its fusion, boiling and sublimation in the burning reactor.

7) In Wales, one of the regions most heavily contaminated by Chernobyl fallout, abnormally low birth weights (less than 1500 g) were noted in 1986 and 1987 (Busby, 1995).

8) Children from the contaminated areas of Belarus have digestive tract epithelium characteristic of senile changes (Nesterenko, 1996; ebeshko et al, 2006).

9) The biological age of inhabitants from the radioactive contaminated territories of Ukraine exceed their calendar ages by 7 to 9 years (Mezhzherin, 1996)

10) Adverse effects as a result of Chernobyl irradiation have been found in every group that has been studied. Brain damage has been found in individuals directly exposed...Premature cataracts; tooth and mouth abnormalities; and blood, lymphatic, heart, lung gastrointestinal, urologic, bone, and skin diseases afflict and impair people, young and old alike. Endocrine dysfunction, particularly thyroid disease, is far more common than might be expected, with some 1,000 cases of thyroid dysfunction for every case of thyroid cancer, a marked increase after the catastrophe. There are genetic damage and birth defects especially in children of liquidators and in children born in area with high levels of radioisotope contamination.

11) 5.1 Blood and lymphatic system diseases For both children and adults, diseases of the blood and the circulatory and lymphatic systems are among the most widespread consequences of the Chernobyl radioactive contamination.

12) The incidence of diseases of the blood and blood forming organs was 3.8 fold higher among evacuees 9 years after the catastrophe.

13) Diseases of the blood and circulatory system for people living in the contaminated territories (Ukraine) increased 11 to 15 fold for the first 12 years after the catastrophe (1988-1999) Prysyazhnyuk et al 2002).

14) Incidence of hemorrhages in newborns in the contaminated Chechersky District of Gomel Province (Belarus) is more than double than before the catastrophe (Kulakov et al, 1997).

15) In the observation period 1992-1997, there was a 22.1% increase in the incidence of fatal cardiovascular disease liquidators compared to 2.5% in the general population
(Belarus) (Pflugbeil et al, 2006).

16) Changes in genetic structures in both reproductive and somatic cells determine and define the occurrence of many diseases. Ionizing radiation causes damage to hereditary structures. The huge collective dose from the Chernobyl catastrophe (127-150 million persons/rad) has resulted in damage that will span several generations, causing changes in genetic structures and various types of mutations: genomic mutations (change in the number of chromosomes), chromosomal mutations (damage to the structure of chromosomes - translocations, deletions, insertions and inversions), and small (point) mutations.

17) In 1991 in Norway, a 10-fold increase in the number of chromosomal aberrations was found in 56 adults compared to controls (Brogger et al, 1996, Schmitz Feuerhake, 2006).

18) In 1987 in Austria, among 17 adults examined there was a 4-6 fold increase in the number of chromosomal aberrations.

19) There was a doubling of Down syndrome in Lothian, Scotland one of the territories contaminated by Chernobyl (Ramsey et al, 1991).

20) In Norway, cataracts in newborns occurred twice as often
1 year after the catastrophe (Irgens et al, 1991).

21) Incidence of neural tube defects in Turkey increased between 2- and 5-fold after the catastrophe (Hoffman, 2001; Schmitz-Feuerhake, 2006).

22) The most recent forecast by international agencies predicted there would be between 9000 and 28,000 fatal cancers between 1986 and 2056, obviously underestimating the risk factors and the collective doses. On the basis of I-131 and Cs 137 radioisotope doses to which populations were exposed and a comparison of cancer mortality in the heavily and less contaminated territories and pre- and post-Chernobyl cancer levels, a more realistic figure is 212,000 to 245,000 in Europe and 19,000 in the rest of the world.

23) More than 1000 cancer deaths in Norland Province, Sweden, between 1986 and 1999 have been attributed to the Chernobyl fallout (Abdelrahman, 2007).

24) After 20 years the incidence of thyroid cancer among individuals under 18 years of age at the time of the catastrophe increased more than 200-fold (National Belarussian Report, 2006).

25) In the Marne-Ardennes provinces (France) cancer incidence increased 360% in women and 500% in men between 1975 and 2005 (Cherie-Challine et al, 2006).

26) From 1985-1989 to 1990-1992 in Connecticut, USA, rates of thyroid cancer for all age groups increased by 23% (from 3.46 to 4.29 per 100,000, after 10 previous years without change (Reid and Mangano, 1995).

27) In Greece, infants born between 1.7.86 and 31.12.87, exposed to Chernobyl fallout in utero, had 2.6 times the incidence of leukemia compared to children born between 1.1.80 and 31.12.85 and between 1.1.88 and 31.12.90. (Petridou et al, 2004)

28) Changes in the sex ratio and the stillbirth odds ratio for gender were significant for Denmark, Germany, Hungary, Norway, Poland, Latvia and Sweden (Scherb and Wiegelt, 2000).

29) Great Britain. Ten months after the catastrophe, a significant increase in perinatal mortality was found in the two most contaminated areas of the country (Bentham, 1991).

30) Sweden. Infant mortality increased immediately after the catastrophe and increased significantly in 1989-1992 (Korblein, 2008).

2. COWS' MILK SHOWS FIRST SIGNS OF RADIATION

First Japan suffered an earthquake, then a tsunami, then nuclear meltdowns and radiation.

Experts advised the Japanese people not to panic.
Experts advised people that the food was safe to eat, and that radiation had not entered their food supply.

This past week, the world learned that Japanese food and water were tainted with radioactive iodine.

Food is now routinely tested in Japan. The first food to show signs of radiation was cow's milk. This makes sense, as cows are eating 50-80 pounds of feed each and every day. Radiation is concentrated in their bodies like sponges soaking up water. In a cow, the water is filtered and excreted and the concentrated toxins are consumed by milk drinkers. Twenty-one pounds of milk are required to produce one pound of butter.
Eating butter further concentrates toxins; in this case, radioactivity.

Armed with the knowledge that milk is the perfect barometer to test for the presence of radiation, it would make sense to test for levels of radiation in America's milk as plumes from Japan are carried by the jet stream over California, Kansas, and then onto New York.

Here is where today's stupid human trick kicks in.

It would make perfect sense to test milk from California Happy Cows, just in case...Sadly, this is news that the United States Department of Agriculture just does not want to know.

As of March 22, 2011, California milk is not being tested for radiation on a daily basis. As a matter of policy, California's Department of Public Health routinely tests California milk for radiation once every month. One would assume (love that word) that with jet steams being what they are, and with Japan's tragedy having the potential to radiate to Americans, it would be a logical human conclusion to want to test milk.

The spokesperson for California's Department of Public Health, Mike Sicilia, had this stupid human trick comment:

"This is typical routine testing and has been done for many years."

Routine once-per-month testing will continue, because the United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA) sees no reason for caution. California's Department of Public Health reLIES upon FDA's lead.



evlPanda
NSW, 9202 posts
30 Mar 2011 3:32PM
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^ Except that Chernobyl was completely different.

Related. Girl on motorbike tours Chernobyl.
www.kiddofspeed.com/chapter1.html

In the first days after explosion, some places around the reactor were emitting 3,000-30,000 roentgens per hour


whoah.

AquaPlow
QLD, 1051 posts
30 Mar 2011 2:43PM
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On the ground....
www.rdtn.org/

Not sure on the working life of this style of reactor - think this lot have fallen off that working life graph.

Thorium reactor would appear to be the way to go (prefer fusion myself but not there yet)..

AP

japie
NSW, 6868 posts
30 Mar 2011 4:00PM
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Gizmo said...

How and the hell do you clean up a mess like that?... it would be hard enough if it was a normal factory, but any clean up will take quite a while to do exposing the workers to the radiation.

Who would like to be the OH&S rep on that site?


Bulldozers with the cabs encased in lead! It is bloody frightening isn't it? I have been reading all these articles about what they are doing to try and fix is- Well it looks like it is pretty much beyond fixing by now.

This also makes very interesting reading:

www.next-up.org/pdf/Radiation_Protection_NBC_Inhaling_even_the_tiniest_particle_that_s_the_danger_27_03_2011.pdf



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