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Forums > General Discussion   Shooting the breeze...

Wind could have parted sea for Moses

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Created by GalahOnTheBay > 9 months ago, 22 Sep 2010
GalahOnTheBay
NSW, 4188 posts
22 Sep 2010 3:21PM
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www.abc.net.au/news/2010-09-22/wind-could-have-parted-sea-for-moses/2269314

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Moses might not have parted the Red Sea, but a strong east wind that blew through the night could have pushed the waters back in the way described in biblical writings and the Koran, US researchers say.

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It shows that a wind of 101 kilometres per hour, blowing steadily for 12 hours, could have pushed back waters 2 metres deep.


lol so after a "decent" north easterly can I expect to be able to walk to New Zealand?

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
22 Sep 2010 1:56PM
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Maybe but would have Seabreeze predicted it

GypsyDrifter
WA, 2371 posts
22 Sep 2010 3:51PM
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I actually saw a doco on water parting..but for the life of me
can't remember what it is called..

japie
NSW, 7051 posts
22 Sep 2010 6:48PM
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I thought everyone knew that the red sea was parted by the Tabernacle. It was full of magic stuff that Moses and his mob pinched from the Gypos, same stuff that did for the nasties in Raiders of the Lost Ark.

Seriously though, if it was done by God in order to keep the chosen people safe from the Egyptians, why did he not just lift them over it? Would have saved a lot of mucking around

theDoctor
NSW, 5784 posts
22 Sep 2010 11:40PM
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a moderator posting a topic about religion.... how does that work?

Carantoc
WA, 6942 posts
22 Sep 2010 9:47PM
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GalahOnTheBay said...



lol so after a "decent" north easterly can I expect to be able to walk to New Zealand?


yes, if you are God's prophet, leading his people from slavery into the promised land.

like the Doc says, if you preach one thing and do another you probably are a Christian at least.

Carantoc
WA, 6942 posts
22 Sep 2010 9:49PM
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GypsyDrifter said...

I actually saw a doco on water parting..but for the life of me
can't remember what it is called..


No no, what you saw was a TV show called 'Wipeout'.

It wasn't really a doco and not really about water parting, but I can see where you got confused.

FormulaNova
WA, 14880 posts
22 Sep 2010 9:58PM
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theDoctor said...



a moderator posting a topic about religion.... how does that work?


I'm guessing it is because it is actually about wind and the possibility that it could push water aside, and not actually about religion.

Carantoc
WA, 6942 posts
22 Sep 2010 10:12PM
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GalahOnTheBay said...

the way described in biblical writings and the Koran,


That is a little misleading, implying that two independant sources describe the same event.

Essentially the old testement bible and koran are the same, same source same belief
The new testement and koran are same except for bible says Jesus was God's son, Koran says he was God's prophet (but man)
Koran then says Mohammed was God's prophet, Bible doesn't recognise this.

Hence any Moses stories in bible and the koran are from the same source, not two different ones.

Mark _australia
WA, 22799 posts
22 Sep 2010 10:57PM
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yeah I'm sure wind can do that. Storms in Perth make the river higher and I go windsurfing thru where there is normally waist high reeds, big deal.

but, believer or not, one must acknowledge

(1) it says parted, not pushed back from the shore. Big difference. I bet that different terminology existed in Hebrew also.

(2) it was to escape their pursuers. Now if you push the water back a little way from the beach and run thru the mud, won't your pursuers just run along the beach say 100m (or 13 cubits ) adjacent to you? The whole point is they ran thru the middle of the ocean and then the sea closed up so the pursuers would have to go around (or get drowned). If the water simply receded back from the edge, due to the wind, they would not have had a magical wonderful escape and there would be nothing to write about!

(3) wind can do that so why write a big story that prevails for 2000yrs if all that happened was a big wind pushed water back from the edge (as opposed to parted by God or something, which would be worth writing home about)??
Also, wouldnt the original documents note the wind? I mean seriously, 12hrs of 60knot winds would probably have been written in other documents by authors unware of the magical sea crossing, or mentioned in the original bible manuscripts - they were not dumb and knew a strong wind could move water. Duh. It was written about because something unexplained happened OR it was all made up and nothing happened. Either way the wind theory is redundant.

"US researchers" they say? Like many studies, the title should be "Propellorheads who've never had a girlfriend, wasting Govt grant money to bash out a thesis to get a useless doctorate"

Bigwavedave
QLD, 2057 posts
23 Sep 2010 1:12AM
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The bible is actually 66 books authored by about 150 different people and compiled into one volume. Writing started in about 1500BC and completed about 98AD.

Koran was written by Mohammed and completed by 632AD

Bible doesn't recognise Mohammed because he wasn't born until 400 years after it was completed.

Of course there will be similarities between the two books. Islam developed much of their belief system from some of the old testament and the gospels.

The tabernacle was a mobile temple and wasn't built until after the jews went across/around the sea. Indiana Jones's Ark of the Covenant lived inside the tabernacle and contained some valuable artifacts. It was the focal point of the jewish system of worship.

Its all very interesting from a historical point of view without getting into the religious side of it all.

There was no mention of any kiters out on that day in March 1513BC so I'm not sure if it was the wind


barn
WA, 2960 posts
23 Sep 2010 11:26AM
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FormulaNova said...

theDoctor said...



a moderator posting a topic about religion.... how does that work?


I'm guessing it is because it is actually about wind and the possibility that it could push water aside, and not actually about religion.




It is religiously based.

its an Old earth creationist trying to justify a tale in the bible with technical drivel. Whats stupid is hes trying to explain a biblical miracle with a technical response.. without the miracles the bible is just slapstick story of a bunch of bronze age goat herders running around sacrificing cows..

PZ Myers is the leading critic of creationism of this kind and has blogged about this article here..

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/09/inventing_excuses_for_a_bible.php

sausage
QLD, 4873 posts
23 Sep 2010 1:33PM
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I put this story (and the whole Bible for that matter) down to a classic case of Chinese whispers. It started out that some wind parted moses' cheeks after drinking some red sea water and then everyone fled his tent which was made in Egypt.

FormulaNova
WA, 14880 posts
23 Sep 2010 12:14PM
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Its interesting in that someone would even want to try and explain this story based on a possible strong wind.

Why would you bother arguing this?

If you saw a huge wall of water open up, without any hint from God that he was going to hold it open for you the whole time, would you walk on in there?

If you were to argue that God was telling you he would hold it open, why can't he just turn on his anti-gravity deflector shields (*TM) and open it that way? Who needs wind?

barn
WA, 2960 posts
23 Sep 2010 1:10PM
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I have formulated a thesis which can be understood through fluid dynamics, backed up with advanced computer simulations.. where the possibility of flying pigs is logically possible. I conclude it is therefore rational to believe my personal ancient religious scripture which explicitly describe historic events where flying pigs were common place in the daily life of my ancestors. Because it is logically possible under the right conditions, This thesis proves that I, and my fellow pigflyers are not brainwashed idiots for believing this plausible story.



GreenPat
QLD, 4087 posts
24 Sep 2010 6:45PM
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barn said...

FormulaNova said...

theDoctor said...



a moderator posting a topic about religion.... how does that work?


I'm guessing it is because it is actually about wind and the possibility that it could push water aside, and not actually about religion.




It is religiously based.

its an Old earth creationist trying to justify a tale in the bible with technical drivel. Whats stupid is hes trying to explain a biblical miracle with a technical response.. without the miracles the bible is just slapstick story of a bunch of bronze age goat herders running around sacrificing cows..



Bloody moderators . Do what they want and get away with it [}:)]. Who moderates the moderators hey It's a conspiracy I tell you .

Joe Cron
NSW, 450 posts
24 Sep 2010 8:23PM
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Thanks for the laugh guys,

Bigwavedave,

There was no mention of any kiters out on that day in March 1513BC so I'm not sure if it was the wind

And Barn,

Your thesis is so plainly plausible to all but the most utterly simple minded that I feel a conversion coming on. I have only one question to ponder, what inspired the holy launch? I'm going to meditate on it until I have clarity.

Cheers Guys, laughed so hard, it felt great.

Joey

japie
NSW, 7051 posts
24 Sep 2010 9:36PM
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Have they ever put a date on the actual parting of the sea?

All that Moses and all is only a repeat of more ancient legends often grossly distorted in the bible.

Joe Cron
NSW, 450 posts
24 Sep 2010 11:23PM
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Whilst in a transcendental meditative prayer searching for oneness with the flying pigs, The Flying Spaghetti Monster

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_Flying_Spaghetti_Monster

appeared to me in all his noodly gloriousness and enlightened me with this knowledge I now offer to you.

Flying pigs are angels of his Pastafarian order.

As modern people, we have forgotten the ability to see the angel pigs, who are always there, luckily we have also forgotten to see and smell their excrement, which is always there also .

Polar bears launch pigs at certain times of the year as an appeasement offering to His Noodlyness. They hope to not end up as polar bear spaghetti. It is simply a geographic meteorological coincidence that winds at the anciently foretold offering dates and times are strong enough to launch the pigs.

That should clear it up, Works for me.

Joey

Bigwavedave
QLD, 2057 posts
25 Sep 2010 1:32PM
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japie said...

Have they ever put a date on the actual parting of the sea?

All that Moses and all is only a repeat of more ancient legends often grossly distorted in the bible.



Secular sources (archeologists) say 16th century BC depending on calendar being used.There is no archeological evidence of the Red Sea thing but there is of the escape of Jewish (Israelite) slaves (en masse) from Egypt. (they weren't called Jews quite yet as their religious system was developed over the next century).




GalahOnTheBay
NSW, 4188 posts
25 Sep 2010 9:45PM
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theDoctor said...

a moderator posting a topic about religion.... how does that work?




Actually I thought I was posting about how scientists identified wind and water can interact, which incidentally had a vague relationship to some stuff in some old books, but I guess others saw it differently.

In other news, if the wind required to get this to happen was 50 or so knots, I'm not sure anyone (no not even the kiters or windsurfers of the time) would be out and about...

waxman
SA, 1390 posts
25 Sep 2010 9:53PM
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After reading and considering all the evidence presented. One can only assume that the flying pig is the only plausible argument.

GalahOnTheBay
NSW, 4188 posts
26 Sep 2010 6:54PM
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Carantoc said...

like the Doc says, if you preach one thing and do another you probably are a Christian at least.


Actually I am just an ordinary run of the mill Pastafarianist but with extra meatballs...

colinwill78
VIC, 1395 posts
26 Sep 2010 11:32PM
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cisco said...

moderated


you got in trouble, you got in trouble

Mark _australia
WA, 22799 posts
26 Sep 2010 9:49PM
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colinwill78 said...


Removed



I missed what Cisco said - but whatever your beliefs I think this this is pretty offensive to Christians and should also be removed.

colinwill78
VIC, 1395 posts
27 Sep 2010 12:28AM
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Mark _australia said...

colinwill78 said...


removed



I missed what Cisco said - but whatever your beliefs I think this this is pretty offensive to Christians and should also be removed.




couldn't agree more.

Mark _australia
WA, 22799 posts
26 Sep 2010 10:34PM
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So you are my sole green thumber? hahaha

I don't care if you remove it or not, nothing against you and not having a crack at your little Venn diagram, it just sh!ts me that it is OK in mainstream society to take the p!ss out of Christians but not any other group and this forum is no different.

Whatever cisco said probably should have been modded, but so should some of the threads here with the self proclaimed intelligentsia hanging sh!t on creationism (for example)

colinwill78
VIC, 1395 posts
27 Sep 2010 12:51AM
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Mark _australia said...

So you are my sole green thumber? hahaha

I don't care if you remove it or not, nothing against you and not having a crack at your little Venn diagram, it just sh!ts me that it is OK in mainstream society to take the p!ss out of Christians but not any other group and this forum is no different.

Whatever cisco said probably should have been modded, but so should some of the threads here with the self proclaimed intelligentsia hanging sh!t on creationism (for example)


I figured you were taking the piss, (and making a point.)
laughing with you.

colinwill78
VIC, 1395 posts
27 Sep 2010 12:52AM
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lets all just go back to paying out SUP and leave religion alone.

oliver
3952 posts
26 Sep 2010 10:55PM
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I'd prefer to crucify him.

Mark _australia
WA, 22799 posts
26 Sep 2010 11:04PM
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Hey like I said in the other thread - I don't give a rodent's rectum what the rules are (maybe cos I'll break them anyway ..... no, hang on, that's not it...oh yeah- ) as long as they are consistently applied.

Go ahead and crucify me, maybe I'll be famous like that other guy (what was his name? Oh that's right, John Saffran)



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