climate change whos paying?

i am ready to give up i think on this...... gestalt........this however is just not to say there were no bracing at all in the wtc lightweight core.

so....we have went from basically there was NO core to a LIGHTWEIGHT core.

and where is the evidence to support this claim the 47 columns were lightweight!

again look at the video/photos from the doc 911 mysteries and you will see these massive 47 columns protruding from upper floor while building is still under construction.

what you are saying could not be further from the truth.

unfortunately, most people believe what they want to believe and not what the evidence presents itself as.

please no more on this.... its too frustrating.

is somewhat topical.

i did a house extension for one of the dean brothers years ago. no demolition was included.

equally relevant

Don't believe everything you see in New Scientist

www.theaustralian.com.au/nocookies?a=A.flavipes

not quiet just can't be bothered.

there are plenty of facts in the preceeding pages.

I was going to stay out of this one...but

I had an in-depth chat yesterday with a environmental consultant who is also a geologist...he prepares coastal hazard reports, site analysis, geothermal reports, land contaminant research etc...

Just to say that I learned alot, and if you believe everything you read (or watch, re; Ewwtube) on the innernetty, you'll never get the facts right. There has been alot of research done (all funded by some form of orginisation with their own agendas) for & against global warming or climate change, and it will be a long time (not in our lifetimes) before any research is totally conclusive.

Honestly, we should be focusing on reducing our energy needs, or investing in alternative means of power before we completely bottom out our fossil fuels, and stop being such a wasteful society...the planet will take care of itself. We live in an ever 'evolving' eco-system, whether we believe it or not, and we have our part to play...

...my dog doesn't 'sh!t where she eats', neither should we!

Jesse Ventura, Wrestler, Govenor, Conspiracy Buster.....

rest of parts (6) on youtube

Sailhack, you are right on. Clearly the world we live in isn't going to kill us one day with massive waves inundating the coast and the sky turning green and the atmosphere becoming poisonous.

So the scaremongering is counter productive.
The lack of review and sensitivity of proponents of climate disruption is counter productive.

Why put out the fear that the CBDs of New York, London, Sydney will be underwater in 30 years time when its not true?

Clearly we need to reduce our dependence on fossil fuels. But if that reduction comes at the cost of higher food prices that cause starvation and death then we must review it.

The biggest human impact on the Earth is the sheer number of humans. We need to develop non violent and non lethal ways to reduce the numbers of humans so that everyone here has a reasonable life that does not permanently degrade the natural environment.

petermac...give it up man.

Soooo....you heard Bush say that? Any by your own admission (and drawn out explanation), if he didn't say exactly that, does that make you a liar?

...the correct quote from G.W. Bush is-

"There's an old saying in Tennessee -- I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee -- that says, fool me once, shame on --shame on you. Fool me -- you can't get fooled again." --Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002

(I love bushisms btw)

Just a friendly tip - if you're gonna quote someone - firstly, make sure they're actually worth quoting - & secondly, get the quote right.

sailhack....give it up man.

word for word i could not remember exactly. [big deal]

that's why i did not use inverted coma's.

not being able to remember word for word, does this make me a liar....get real.



the saying when i first heard it, took me a while to get.[understand]

and a good morning to you to.

sailhack....your dog and defecation

what nutrients do you put on your tomato plants

Yep, simple numbers. Many people don't understand how exponential population growth can really screw things up so this is a fairly straightforward example:

How often does the population double? I've lost track... 50 years? It'll do. If it's not 50 then just plug in whatever the real number is in what follows.

Let's say as of right now the planet is half full. That is, by whatever means, we've decided it can accomodate twice as many people we have now and no more. How long until it's full? Why, 50 years of course.

OK, let's say we're lucky and we find another planet that's exactly the same as Earth. It's got as much food and water and can accomodate just as many people as Earth can. So we can offload the excess population onto that. Problem solved, right? No.

Only another 50 years till that one is completely full. So in 100 years we'd have filled up two planets.

But things get even worse because we wouldn't have the luxury of 50 years to go searching for some other planet to populate. We'd only have a bit over 10 because in 50 years we'd have filled up four planets.

And so on. And then remember that in the last 50 years we've managed to get a small number of people to the moon. We've yet to get even close to sending someone to the nearest (uninhabitable) planet. So forget all that guff.. we'd have 50 years on good ol' planet Earth and that's it.

Population growth is the single most important issue for human survival. If we don't do something about it, it'll be done for us violently and lethally by way of famines, disease or some other form of disaster. This climate change stuff is really just tinkering about with a few of the symptoms.

no such word.....unless you spell /think likes a bugs bunny.

now for the last time...and a good morning to you to.

sailhack...does that make you a liar?

no sailhack i am not a liar.

who i ask is the one getting personal.

sailhack....Never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

lets see liar,idiot sure you don't want to go for the triple.

i try not to sink into this gutter talk, but what the ...k

Never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

on another thread... when is to much to much.

Have a good weekend. Hope the wind (outside) is blowing!