Cassa, after 14 years of employing teenage apprentices if you think that you've 'won' with your punishment, I'm sorry but chances are...you're wrong. Most 'kids' go through that exact phase you described at that age. If you can help them through that 6-12 months, or if they are strong-willed enough, you might end up with a valuable employee. If the outcome is that you can't keep them on, chances are that by 'letting them go' it will help them with their own personal & professional development.
I had to 'let go' a few apprentices over the years for this exact reason (hormones or whatever you want to blame for the distraction from work), and I know I made the right decision because they are all now either in good jobs or self-employed and the reason I know I made the right choice is because I'm mates with most of them. The few that I was able to keep employed through that phase turned out to be valuable employees...that I can also call my mates.
I'm with PR on this one, as an ex-employer and now as an employee I fully appreciate the value of an employer's respect & positive encouragement.
You can't have your cake and eat it. I used to hate that saying because it is bull****, but one day it dawned on me what it actually meant and now I reckon that too many people wanting to have their cake and eat it is one of the biggest problems going around.
Cassa seems to want his cake and wants to eat it. He wants to employee people but wants them to take an interest in their work beyond that which they signed up for.
The apprentice also seems to want to have his cake and eat it. Wants a nice job with (what sounds like) a decent employer, but also wants to milk it for what he can.
I guess someone will have to give in eventually and either eat their cake (and therefore not have any anymore), or move on to something like a crumble, slice etc.
Actually, I'm back to hating the cake-and-eat-it sating, it makes no f*ing sense at all. Anyone seen that masterchef show?
I guess at the end of the day its all about mutual obligation.
The employer (small business) has taken a considerable risk in developing and investing in a business that becomes very personal.
The employee takes a few years to learn and develop skills that may be of use to an employer.
However the lack of balance comes with the employer needing a faithful hard working employee much more than the employee needs the employer.
Therefore to correct this imbalance the employer has to be offering something different.
At my local mechanics the boss has employed his chief mechanic for over 25 years - and he reckons he can count the number of sickies he has taken in this time on one hand.
Is this because of love of work or because the boss is flexible appreciative and provides incentives to keep the crew motivated?
In their package; give em 6 weeks annual leave every year and no sick leave.
The problem will fix itself.
There is a philosophy of management widely used by the Japanese loosely termed Total Quality Management which completely erradicates sickies.
It works, I have seen it in one out of thirty odd places I have worked in, and it is the reason that Honda and Toyota sht all over GM and Ford in the states.
Honda workers are the lowest hourly paid auto workers in the US but consistently earn the highest take home wages.
Of course it would not do to look at something that empowers workers here!
If your a roofer i take back everything i said, praise what you do and ask.....are you interested in giving me a quote........
I'll stand firm - I don't take anything back. If you think your employees are not entitled to their entitlements, you should look at changing the way you operate or consider a different vocation.
Quote :- "I think Cassa is un-australian to whine about fixing a sickie."
I think it is UN-Australian for employees to bleed their employers dry to the point that the employer has to close his/her business before they lose everything they have worked for.
Working for a multi national resource company is one thing and carries a whole lot of benefits.
Working for a small to medium sized privately owned company or employer is a whole different thing and the same rules and attitudes are not necessarily applicable.
If an Australian employee is interested enough to find out how well off he/she is the individual should apply for a work visa in one of our near neighbouring countries such as China.
Harden up and be HONEST. If you are not feeling good tell your boss. It is called communication. Boss, I am only 50% today. Do you really need me to come in today or can I catch up tomorrow???
Anybody that takes a sickie because they feel like it or they think they are entitled to it, does not need, want or deserve the employment and is being DISHONEST.
Interesting debate. For what it's worth, I do work for a big multinational. We're entitled to 52 weeks of sick leave in any 2 year period. No kidding, a whole year. We can even take "carer leave" if we need to take care of someone close in the family who is sick and that doesn't count as sick leave.
Despite that, it's pretty rare for people to take a sickie... annoyingly many keep coming to work even when they're obviously flu ridden. Don't really know why but I suspect that people who don't have that kind of work ethic probably would get weeded out.
Whilst I am not a business owner, I am responsible for managing a team of employees. Unfortunately, I just had to sack a bloke only 5wks into his appointment... could never find him and things were not getting done and he was taking liberties... part of which was taking a bogus sick day...
One Monday he text me [no phone call] to say he thought he may be getting the flu - so should stay home and keep warm (seriously, WTF - he's 36 not 12yo)... not a cough, sneeze or sniffle in the days following... for me, that was enough.
When I questioned him about it he said he didn't want to get unwell - so nipped it in the bud before he got it...
He seemed to think that this was acceptable... depsite being still being on probation.
My practice as a manager is very much 'give a bit, get a bit' as long as it's a fair balance... and one party does not take advantage of the other. It's a system that's worked very well over the last ~20yrs... and as a result I have a very stable team of staff who enjoy their jobs...
However, this blokes behaviour on the whole (and the sicky in particular) caused projects to run late and required other already busy people to take on the extra work to get things done... unacceptable.
And BTW, this role had plenty of variety and was paying well above average...
(Quote) Oliver,
Work smart, not hard is my motto.
In my experience it's not about the hours you put into a job, but more about the thought you put into it that's important.
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Well ,well , there are alot of people here with alot of different ideas , and thats good . BUT, certainly, there are different ways to approch each type of work environment.
Mine is Bricklaying, what works in my industry , definitely would not work in many other workplaces. Although it would apply to most sub-contractors way of work.
Not working hard is something I would have no idea about , in the few times that I have worked on wages I apply myself EXACTLY the same as if I was working for myself , FLAT OUT, there are only 2 speeds on this body at work stop ,and go .
I could never pace myself on the work of others. I take great pride in the fact that all that have employed me would NEVER forget the pace , and leadership qualities that I have brought to their teams.
Its just MY WORK ETHIC! It will never change
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At $1 pr brick , the more you put , the more you get ,so when I crack away 500 bricks in 2 hours and the other 2 lay 100 and they get full pay for the 4hrs ,(friday just gone , this happens alot on fridays) they dont complain .
I dont expect them ever to be able to keep up with me , there has only been a few over the last 20 yrs (brothers, uncle ,partner -he is quicker,and one 6ft8 in
queenslander)
I'm here to teach,(AT work) I would love to see these guys making the kind of money that is possible for them, they are finally starting to see that, so all is good at work , and has been apart from the weeks of sickies.
As for your other comments OlIvEr , you just dont understand the sub-contractors way of life, , thats ok ,its obvious you never will. In bricklaying if ya dont WORK HARD , GO HOME, after all its just like being at the gym all day.
I couldnt give a rats toss, what they do after work , as long as when they come to work they give their best and try to learn, after all they are only kids.
If in 18mths ,(thats when I hit the beach almost full time) they can do half of what i do now at work I feel I will have had some success .
The sickie has been fixed for me