it's time to carry guns )-:

Guns is definitely not the way to go although I can understand the sentiment.

The solution lies in understanding the cause of the problem.

The root cause of all ills in our society is the fact that we have opted for centralisation and big government. Out of that comes all the stupidity that manifests itself on a daily basis, behaviour that is often used to make up even more gormless rules and regulations which further perpetuate the problems.

If you do not think that that is true go and take a mosy around a small affluent country town and have a look for graffiti and bad behaviour.

It does not happen because they are largely self governing - everyone knows one another and noone wants to be seen as a wally. They have a functioning society.

So my suggestion is, fark big government off and take control of your society.

Unfortunately it may take firearms to achieve that!

Because if the media say something stupid that compromises the possibility of a fair trial then the bad guys get off.

Our legal system assumes people are innocent until proven guilty. If the media start from a position of guilt then you can't get unbiased jurors. The judges have to disqualify themselves. Everything is completely f..ked because some dipsh.t at a radio station wanted to big note themselves and get good ratings.

If you guarantee everybody a fair trial you can get to the end and be reasonably sure that the bad guys are well and truly done. Then you can get medieval on them. [}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)]

The other thing is that WA has a really bad track record of arresting any poor sod and stitching them up so they can clear crimes off the books.

My house mate has a pyro licence

Perhaps not anymore - since you just posted on the web that you took some of his pyrotechics and set them off

i saw these idiots late that night and put a call in myself. the police have got too much to deal with here. our family is leaving this place in a couple of years as its getting worse every year.

They should be charged with attempted murder.

Can't we just go back to complaining about 'illegal immigrants'.

Or maybe we need the 'Today Tonight' forum.

Hope they aren't packing heat.


Anyway - how do i get my mams to increase a cup size.. naturally?

I also wanna know who the dodgiest tradesmen, ripping off the elderly are?

And where I can find supermarket bargains?

So many questions..

Big +1 from me, frant.

Think the right to bear arms is a good idea? Go look at the USA. The fecknuckles wouldn't be throwing things at cars up close and personal where they can be spotted, instead they'd be taking potshots from a safe distance (for them).

Incidence of gun related crime in northern US cities is out of control. A few km across the border in Canada and it's virtually unheard of. The difference as I understood it is not so much that guns are restricted in Canada (after all, they can be easily obtained just over the border) but that it's not considered OK to carry one and definitely not considered OK to use one. In other words, it's a cultural difference that makes all the difference.

I'd certainly prefer we follow the Canadian model thanks very much.

Ive got a 6,8 semi gun for waves over 6'

6.8SPC (Remington) ????

^^^^ lol I thought it was ...
but right now was to lazy to check

evidence? or is the fact that you can remember more crime recently than you can from the past enough?

By that rationale, I am pooing a lot more than I used to.

a town called kennesaw, in georgia passed the law but never enforced it. there was no significant change in the crime rate after the law was introduced.

maybe check things before you post them as facts

Well check your facts, here's a Kennesaw article that disagrees with your assetions (and it is Reuters, not some youtube crap from the conspiracy theorists here) www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-crime-shooting-town/southern-u-s-town-proud-of-its-mandatory-gun-law-idUSN1719257620070418

Or another one, Stamp
www.associatedcontent.com/article/738709/firearm_ownership_is_mandatory_for.html?cat=17

Here is an AUSSIE stats verifiable one (if you want stats): (sorry - long)

Posted: March 2, 2001

By Jon Dougherty

Law enforcement and anti-crime activists regularly claim that the
United States tops the charts in most crime-rate categories, but a new
international study says that America's former master -- Great Britain
-- has much higher levels of crime.

The International Crime Victims Survey, conducted by Leiden University
in Holland, found that England and Wales ranked second overall in
violent crime among industrialized nations.

Twenty-six percent of English citizens -- roughly one-quarter of the
population -- have been victimized by violent crime. Australia led the
list with more than 30 percent of its population victimized.

The United States didn't even make the "top 10" list of industrialized
nations whose citizens were victimized by crime.

Jack Straw, the British home secretary, admitted that "levels of
victimization are higher than in most comparable countries for most
categories of crime."

Highlights of the study indicated that:

* The percentage of the population that suffered "contact crime"
in England and Wales was 3.6 percent, compared with 1.9 percent
in the United States and 0.4 percent in Japan.

* Burglary rates in England and Wales were also among the highest
recorded. Australia (3.9 percent) and Denmark (3.1 per cent) had
higher rates of burglary with entry than England and Wales (2.8
percent). In the U.S., the rate was 2.6 percent, according to
1995 figures;

* "After Australia and England and Wales, the highest prevalence
of crime was in Holland (25 percent), Sweden (25 percent) and
Canada (24 percent). The United States, despite its high murder
rate, was among the middle ranking countries with a 21 percent
victimization rate," the London Telegraph said.

* England and Wales also led in automobile thefts. More than 2.5
percent of the population had been victimized by car theft,
followed by 2.1 percent in Australia and 1.9 percent in France.
Again, the U.S. was not listed among the "top 10" nations.

* The study found that Australia led in burglary rates, with
nearly 4 percent of the population having been victimized by a
burglary. Denmark was second with 3.1 percent; the U.S. was
listed eighth at about 1.8 percent.


Interestingly, the study found that one of the lowest victimization
rates -- just 15 percent overall -- occurred in Northern Ireland, home
of the Irish Republican Army and scene of years of terrorist violence.

Analysts in the U.S. were quick to point out that all of the other
industrialized nations included in the survey had stringent gun-control
laws, but were overall much more violent than the U.S.

Indeed, information on Handgun Control's Center to Prevent Handgun
Violence website actually praises Australia and attempts to portray
Australia as a much safer country following strict gun-control measures
passed by lawmakers in 1996.

"The next time a credulous friend or acquaintance tells you that
Australia actually suffered more crime when they got tougher on guns
. offer him a Foster's, and tell him the facts," the CPHV site says.

"In 1998, the rate at which firearms were used in murder, attempted
murder, assault, sexual assault and armed robbery went down. In that
year, the last for which statistics are available, the number of
murders involving a firearm declined to its lowest point in four
years," says CPHV.

However, the International Crime Victims Survey notes that overall
crime victimization Down Under rose from 27.8 percent of the population
in 1988, to 28.6 percent in 1991 to over 30 percent in 1999.

Advocates of less gun control in the U.S. say the drop in gun murder
rates was more than offset by the overall victimization increase. Also,
they note that Australia leads the ICVS report in three of four
categories -- burglary (3.9 percent of the population), violent crime
(4.1 percent) and overall victimization (about 31 percent).

Australia is second to England in auto theft (2.1 percent).

In March 2000, WorldNetDaily reported that since Australia's widespread
gun ban, violent crime had increased in the country.

WND reported that, although lawmakers responsible for passing the ban
promised a safer country, the nation's crime statistics tell a
different story:

* Countrywide, homicides are up 3.2 percent.

* Assaults are up 8.6 percent.

* Amazingly, armed robberies have climbed nearly 45 percent.

* In the Australian state of Victoria, gun homicides have climbed
300 percent.

* In the 25 years before the gun bans, crime in Australia had been
dropping steadily.

* There has been a reported "dramatic increase" in home burglaries
and assaults on the elderly.

Interesting - the 2 countries with the most stringent gun laws topped the violent crime list.Then again, doubt anyone read it as it is factual and long.