k Rudd gives up on leadership aspirations

yep, then get bought out by multi nationals, they control the governments!

As they said at the time

Kevin '07 became Interest Rate '08

That was a classic. Wonder what the slogans will be come Monday arvo?

The people's choice .Ha ,they must have short memories .they dumped him in the opinion polls that he relied so heavily upon (and still does it seems) ,when he set up commitees for everything , shelved a carbon tax (or whatever it was wasn't the climate the moral imperative of our time?) and walked headlong into an unwinable war with big mining companies (yeah I get it Kevin you would have thought that Joe Average would have been all for a tax on fat cat mining companies and their bosses but they scared the **** out of good ol Joe and you didn't see it coming ,a fatal mistake in politics ).So Kevin's learned a thing or two .Maybe .my money is on him not challenging and the sore festers on.
I'm with him about the faceless men but surely Kevin knew that as his popularity flagged due to poor leadership they would be out to get him .
I still shudder at the thought of tony Abbott as PM .My bet is that he'll get in **** it up due to his toatal lack of ideas on anything and we'll see the current saga continue this time with the libs .Plenny of PM wannabes there

I've tried but I don't understand. Look it's OK to just say "I HATE THE LABOR PARTY" and then post that picture of Gillard that Flysurfer posts every time(yawn). Sure it's a bit basic but that's fine.

Hang on don't say "your side". We had this discussion at the time and as I said back then, the election was too close and even if it was the other way around I'd still be saying it is wrong.
When something so rare happens and it is not a clear win we should go to re-vote as that is the right thing to do.

Now, leadership changes without a good reason (like leader was found to be corrupt or totally incompetant) leave a bad enough taste in the mouths of the voters - but to do it again is just bloody wrong. Peacock/Howard did not go "Peacock - Howard - Peackock" in the space of a year!!

Loggy, loggy, loggy... OH DEAR, loggy...

If someone does not like something, i.e. the Labs, then by default, they must like the other side. So black and white, no shades of grey.

Yes, I don't like many of the people that your employer employees - Julia, Kevin, Penny, Wayne, Nicola, Brown, Windsor, Wilkie, Oakeshott... The list goes on... This doesn't mean that I don't like ALL of the people that your employer employees.
I don't not like you... You are fun... You have funny thoughts like, you don't like red, so you must love blue.

I understand why you don't understand. That's how it goes for those greasing the wheels... Craig Thompson moment maybe

Sure I'm taking a short cut in terms of your "side", but in Marks case he's anti Gillard, anti Labour Party,Anti Gough(thats a biggy),anti green politics, anti boat people, anti carbon tax, I think at one stage you referred to B'Brown as "******t"......nice, anti aboriginal welfare,.......hell anti wellfare.........do I need to go on. Mark I hope I haven't verbaled you, but on the whole I'd be pretty right wouldn't I???. So what's that old thing about a duck?. if it walks etc etc. Pugwash, it seems to me that your one of those poor souls that has no political ideology. The sort of person who likes or dislikes people within a party. The sort of person who would say I'm not a Labour supporter but I like, I don't know, Kim Carr!!!!NO,NO,NO. That's not possible. Ideology is the key here. If you aint got it your one of those.....and I can only just bring myself to say it.......SWINGING VOTERS. **** ME. that was horrible. They are a sorry bunch of bastards, can you imagine, you've got 17 years before your first vote,plenty of time to work out the world and politics and where you see politics. But no, you swap and change depending on who's got the best haircut or the nicest suit. FFS, get a side, stick to it, understand the deeper sides of of your beliefs, and BANG, there you go. Having said all that, I always had a soft spot for Amanda Vanstone.......yeah I know..... I always thought she was in the wrong party,but having seen her on Annabel Crabbs new show......I was wrong.....Geez I was wrong!!!

Let's not let this turn into too much of a 'political debate' (see the forum rules), or, even worse, personal attacks. Play the ball, not the man. While it's still a 'political commentary' we don't have to say it's against the forum rules, and we can enjoy that favourite Australian pastime of ragging on pollies.

Got this on the email this morning, the resemblance is uncanny...

Loggy - your description of me nailed it!
It is also about correct for the majority of average midlde class 'normal' australians. To put in in your terms "working families"

However I never called Mr Brown names, have never said I was anti-carbon tax, nor Gough. Dunno where you got those from.

I'd love to have a few brews with you and set you straight

Gestalt , that was fantastic , I hadn't seen those , bloody funny !!!!!!

Sorry if I verballed you Pugwash, It's the nature of the forum really. But why be so coy? Sure being committed has some uncomfortable moments. Being a Labour man means its uncomfortable to contemplate Nuclear power as an offset for Global Warming power generation. I'd Prefer wind,Hydro,geothermal etc but for me Nuclear is palate able......if we really have to. Labour buddies don't like it at all but for me it's not an all or nothing issue. BUT you are so totally wrong about "swingers". They're so flakey, so captured by the simplicity of the conservative message and so easily deceived by the trends of politics.

Let the two clowns fight it out!!

the longer the better......it will seal the Labor parties fate of ever getting re-elected.

nuh.