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Created by pirrad > 9 months ago, 18 Aug 2012
pirrad
SA, 850 posts
18 Aug 2012 7:26PM
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Trying to work out what sort of timber this could be, some nice colours if i can get it dry without twisting to much.
Do those numbers mean anything to anyone ?


Wanga F One
QLD, 231 posts
18 Aug 2012 8:06PM
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Could be nearly anything that is fast growing and cheap. A lot of sap wood there cut from young trees. Good luck with the not twisting, cupping,warping. As for numbers nothing to do with the timber species as far as I know.

Simondo
VIC, 8020 posts
18 Aug 2012 8:17PM
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HT/DB - I think that is just saying it is heat treated.
IPPC - International Plant Protection Convention, I think the EU is a big backer.
MY-010 - I'd guess Manufacture Year 2010?
What was delivered on the crates... where was the origin?


The thinner boards will be almost unusable, by the time they warp.
Depending on what you make, you'll need to work with the nail holes. Nail holes can create a nice recycled look anyway.
It's bloody hard work, depending on how dry the timber is.

Old Oregon and WRC is easily the best stuff to work. Old recycled Oregon from Old Growth forests can have really tight packed grain... Far superior to new school Oregon from plantations... Far superior in term of furniture grade. You can get some really nice big hanging beams out of some houses being demolished. Even roofing rafters, except roofing rafters have more nails to remove... roof battens nailed into them.

Even though you are probably attached to the timber you already have... if you think outside the square, you will be able to get some far better timbers from a house demolition site.... Old house... Also, potential for some beautiful Aussie Harwood Redgums, or similar. It's hard as nails, but beautiful colours. Old Oregon is about 7 times easier to work, especially with traditional hand tools.

Simondo
VIC, 8020 posts
18 Aug 2012 8:24PM
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However, I look at those piles of boards, and I'm thinking "book shelves".

Lots of work involved, planning down the timbers, gluing them up... to form the side walls and shelves.

pepe47
WA, 1380 posts
18 Aug 2012 8:58PM
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Possibly paulownia.

LeStef
ACT, 514 posts
18 Aug 2012 11:11PM
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Pallet gum ?

pirrad
SA, 850 posts
18 Aug 2012 10:42PM
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pepe47 said...

Possibly paulownia.

HA HA , Its freakin heavy, still as green as i suspect? Still, i'll strip them down stack it in the garden shed over summer and see what happens? I've just built a fire drum out of an old webber so all will not be lost.

ikw777
QLD, 2995 posts
19 Aug 2012 12:13AM
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With that distinctive end grain and colour variations it looks like Meranti.

Edit - the more I look at it the more I am certain it's Meranti. If you do decide to dry some out make sure you stack it properly with stickers in between each level of the stack. Should minimise cupping.

pepe47
WA, 1380 posts
18 Aug 2012 10:20PM
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I think meranti is light. Pirrad says it's heavy, but it may be unseasoned

ikw777
QLD, 2995 posts
19 Aug 2012 12:26AM
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Meranti varies a lot in colour and density. The best stuff is OK boat building timber. All those colours are typical of meranti.

Mark _australia
WA, 22245 posts
18 Aug 2012 10:30PM
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ikw777 said...

With that distinctive end grain and colour variations it looks like Meranti.

Edit - the more I look at it the more I am certain it's Meranti. If you do decide to dry some out make sure you stack it properly with stickers in between each level of the stack. Should minimise cupping.


My first thought was Meranti (to look at) but then I thought surely not in pallets?

Chris6791
WA, 3271 posts
18 Aug 2012 10:34PM
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Meranti is cheap as chips, probably why they let us use it in high school wood work, all those years ago.

Mark _australia
WA, 22245 posts
18 Aug 2012 10:53PM
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Huh. I thought it was sort of OK stuff. Maybe they plantation farm it for cheap uses then?

pepe47
WA, 1380 posts
18 Aug 2012 10:59PM
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pricewise (for pallets etc) maybe a cheaper indonesian timber like bintangor

Chris6791
WA, 3271 posts
18 Aug 2012 11:01PM
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I think it's a tropical/jungle tree. So it either grows pretty quick and is sustaniable and cheap, or, its slow growing and the forests are getting raped, and its still cheap but will run out. If Simondo is right on what the stamp is then it might be the former.

Poodle
WA, 866 posts
18 Aug 2012 11:15PM
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Chiminea..???

Aw crap.....

saltiest1
NSW, 2487 posts
19 Aug 2012 1:22AM
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pretty sure its fire wood.

Sailhack
VIC, 5000 posts
19 Aug 2012 5:06PM
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Mark _australia said...

ikw777 said...

With that distinctive end grain and colour variations it looks like Meranti.

Edit - the more I look at it the more I am certain it's Meranti. If you do decide to dry some out make sure you stack it properly with stickers in between each level of the stack. Should minimise cupping.


My first thought was Meranti (to look at) but then I thought surely not in pallets?




Meranti is cheaper than our radiate pine! My old trade-school teacher used to call pine & meranti "that brown stinking stuff".

Pirrad - if you want to find out what species it is, find out where the pallets were made. The fact that it looks like meranti would probably mean that it's an indonesian maple of sorts. Also, as it is used as pallet timber doesn't mean that it is crap, but possibly shorts or downgraded cuts from the mill.

Over the years I've scored some beautiful timbers from pallet timber (baltic pine, maple, cedar). Don't stress about twisting when drying, stack flat in a ventilated area (not inside - can cause respiratory issues - toxic mould), and stack the timbers at 90deg each level with adequate spacing. Good luck with it!

Wanga F One
QLD, 231 posts
19 Aug 2012 7:06PM
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^^^
my first thoughts where of maple also. If you intend joining for book shelves or the like alternate boards rings up rings down looking at the end grain. Helps cupping over the width of joined board. The tight rings suggest it came from small trees and will more than likely be prone to cupping.

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
19 Aug 2012 9:36PM
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we get alot of that stuff in pallets as well; . the stacking is the key to getting a good board out of it. once it dries it is rather good to work, particularly the bearers.
It isnt maranti but has very similar properties. meranti can have really heavy boards and really light ones in the same pack.
make sure you stack it really well with good ventilation between stacksyouve got some nice stuff there

pirrad
SA, 850 posts
21 Aug 2012 8:00PM
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The pallets, or at least the contents come from China.

Sailhack
VIC, 5000 posts
21 Aug 2012 9:33PM
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The 1" (prob about 20mm) pieces used for the battens look like they are mainly edge cuts & sapwood. Although this will give the best feature, the sapwood can be a little chalky & not overly strong.

The pallet beams or main structure (1&1/2" ish) look like they come from a crosscut and prob downgraded due to the knots/splits/shakes etc. Either way, great character - just make sure you don't thickness them with blunt cutters.

DavMen
NSW, 1498 posts
22 Aug 2012 9:38AM
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No idea on the species of timber. I can shed a little light on the stamp.

Very basically - When goods are shipped to Australia, and timber is used on the pakaging, the stamp indicates the timber has been treated and is free to pass through quarantine.
Its all codes so the quarantine can determine country of origin etc.

The HT/DB in this case is the approved treatment used - look it up before you burn it as firewood or else you may end up toxic fumes in your lounge room.

NickT
WA, 1094 posts
22 Aug 2012 7:59AM
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My guess is Kapur, what do I win if I'm right?

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
22 Aug 2012 8:56AM
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NickT said...

My guess is Kapur, what do I win if I'm right?


Some wood

Pitbull
WA, 1267 posts
22 Aug 2012 5:40PM
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doggie said...

NickT said...

My guess is Kapur, what do I win if I'm right?


Some wood


In the shape of a pallet.

the gibbo
WA, 776 posts
22 Aug 2012 6:11PM
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i think it is meranti and sapwood rubbish cut from the outside of the tree, hence the massive variation in colour, cant really be used for anything commercial except pallets

but hey you can make whatever out of it, wont move much once dry and held together a 1000 screws

hope there are no termites near your shed, its a big feed for them, they are already salivating

pirrad
SA, 850 posts
22 Aug 2012 7:58PM
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NickT said...

My guess is Kapur, what do I win if I'm right?


My god, if your right i've struck gold.
Found this in a description of its properties.


USES

The timber is suitable for medium construction, posts, beams, joists, rafters, door and window frames and sills, fender supports, telegraphic and power transmission posts and cross arms, flooring, staircase (treads, angle blocks, rough brackets, bullnose, riser, balustrade, carriage, stringers, round end and winder), vehicle bodies (frame-work, floor boards and planking), ship and boat building (keels, keelsons and framework), pallets (heavy and permanent types), tool handles (impact), cooling tower (structural members), plywood, laboratory benches, column (light duty) and railway sleepers. In domestic flooring and internal fittings where finished appearance is important, care should be taken in fixing because of a tendency to develop an unsightly black stain in contact with iron nails, screws or other fittings.

SandS
VIC, 5904 posts
22 Aug 2012 8:39PM
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pirrad said...

NickT said...

My guess is Kapur, what do I win if I'm right?


My god, if your right i've struck gold.
Found this in a description of its properties.


USES

The timber is suitable for medium construction, posts, beams, joists, rafters, door and window frames and sills, fender supports, telegraphic and power transmission posts and cross arms, flooring, staircase (treads, angle blocks, rough brackets, bullnose, riser, balustrade, carriage,
stringers, round end and winder), vehicle bodies (frame-work, floor boards and planking), ship and boat building (keels, keelsons and framework), pallets (heavy and permanent types), tool handles (impact), cooling tower (structural members), plywood, laboratory benches, column (light duty) and railway sleepers. In domestic flooring and internal fittings where finished appearance is important, care should be taken in fixing because of a tendency to develop an unsightly black stain in contact with iron nails, screws or other fittings.



Not only that it will cook your dinner for you , and then wash up !!!!

Mark _australia
WA, 22245 posts
22 Aug 2012 6:53PM
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pirrad said...

NickT said...

My guess is Kapur, what do I win if I'm right?


My god, if your right i've struck gold.
Found this in a description of its properties.


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They also use bamboo for 10 storeys of scaffolding in Asia ......... not sure if I'd follow their suggested uses



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