going through the West Australian newspaper on saturday, i came across this letter to the editor.
NO PROOF
On Thursday The West Australian pubished four pro-vaccines letters that contained misinformation about vaccination.
In the interests of community heath i request that you pubish the following scientific information.
Every parent is entitled to be fully informed about this procedure for heathy chidren with accurate information.
Parents need to make an informed decision about vaccination.
The childhood immunisation schedule which recommends parents vaccinate against 12 diseases before the age of one is not based on science.
Vaccines contain toxic ingredients which have effects that can occur months or years later and these are not monitored by doctors.
Vaccines are a known cause of allergies,anaphylaxis and AUTOIMMUNE diseases.
Scientists have not investigated the effects of the combined childhood schedule in animals or humans.
Yet they are telling parents it is safe to combine 12 vaccines in their infants.
There is no proof for the theory of herd immunity.
Fully vaccinated children still get the diseases they are vaccinated against and until the Government provides the vaccination status of the casaes of the diseases that are hospitalised, there is no proof that vaccines are effective.
Smallpox was eradicated with only 50 percent of the population vaccinated.
Any effect from herd immunity requires that 80 percent or more of the population to be vaccinated.
Infectious diseases declined by 1950 in Australia due to improvements in SANITATION, HYGIENE and NUTRITION.
Judy Whyman, PHD researcher,
Murdoch University.
careful.
One particular dickheaded doctor in the uk started a scare about combined vaccination which ran and ran. There was no evidence for it. Parents stopped having the injections and children died.
Given your strong inclination towards being wrong and believing people who are wrong, you should be very careful about mucking around in this subject.
While on the topic, why don't you link to the letter itself rather than paraphrasing random sentences from the original in an assortment of tenses?
Unless there is specific medical advice on not to get your children or yourself vaccinised against preventable diseases, its selfish not to get vaccination.
If too many people are not vaccinised against these diseases many more people will die than those few who die from the vaccine process. Its all about public health.
Look,
put it this way.. I work in a suburban E.D. Plenty of parents bring in fairly well kids, usually for advice. A couple came in the other day with their young child.. not a sick kid but they were wanting some advice.
In the course of the history I asked them about vaccination's and whether they were up to date.. "oh no we don't believe in vaccination"
Well let me put it this way.. if you don't want to follow MEDICAL ADVICE over 100years plus about vaccination then you lose your right to my advice now..
Get your kid's immunized if you don't then in my opinion you should lose your right to public schooling and hospital care..
just my 2cents
US GOVT CONCEDES VACCINE/AUTISM CONNECTION IN FEDERAL COURT
Source: www.huffingtonpost.com
After years of insisting there is no evidence to link vaccines with the onset of autism spectrum disorder (ASD), the US government has quietly conceded a vaccine-autism case in the Court of Federal Claims.
The unprecedented concession was filed on November 9, and sealed to protect the plaintiff's identify. It was obtained through individuals unrelated to the case.
The claim, one of 4,900 autism cases currently pending in Federal "Vaccine Court," was conceded by US Assistant Attorney General Peter Keisler and other Justice Department officials, on behalf of the Department of Health and Human Services, the "defendant" in all Vaccine Court cases.
The child's claim against the government - that mercury-containing vaccines were the cause of her autism - was supposed to be one of three "test cases" for the thimerosal-autism theory currently under consideration by a three-member panel of Special Masters, the presiding justices in Federal Claims Court.
Keisler wrote that medical personnel at the HHS Division of Vaccine Injury Compensation (DVIC) had reviewed the case and "concluded that compensation is appropriate."
The doctors conceded that the child was healthy and developing normally until her 18-month well-baby visit, when she received vaccinations against nine different diseases all at once (two contained thimerosal).
Days later, the girl began spiraling downward into a cascade of illnesses and setbacks that, within months, presented as symptoms of autism, including: No response to verbal direction; loss of language skills; no eye contact; loss of "relatedness;" insomnia; incessant screaming; arching; and "watching the florescent lights repeatedly during examination."
DEBATE! Jon Eisen (UNCENSORED) vs Nikki Turner (IMAC) on vaccines
uncensored.co.nz/2010/04/14/debate-jon-eisen-uncensored-vs-nikki-turner-imac-on-vaccines-2/
Bill Gates: Use Vaccines To Lower Population
Microsoft founder Bill Gates told a recent TED conference, an organization which is sponsored by one of the largest toxic waste polluters on the planet, that vaccines need to be used to reduce world population figures in order to solve global warming and lower CO2 emissions.
Flu shots suspended after kids hospitalized
The Western Australian Government has suspended all flu vaccinations for children under five while it investigates a spike in admissions to Princess Margaret Hospital in Perth.
The Health Minister, Kim Hames, says 45 children have been taken to hospital suffering high temperatures and febrile convulsions after receiving the vaccination.
Dr Hames says the program will be suspended until the department finishes its investigation.
He says parents who have had their children vaccinated should take precautions.
"If it's longer than 12 hours ago then there is no risk," he said.
"But if it's in the last 12 hours they should make sure that they give their child paracetamol and then take every effort to make sure that the temperature of their child is settled." [Editor: good 'ol pretty pink paracetamol containing aspartame! No suggestion from the Min of Health of a less harmful, much more safe alternative (like that advocated by Andrew Saul at doctoryourself.com). Better still, don't assault young children's immature immune systems by subjecting them to the flu vaccination.]
Dr Hames says parents can call Health Direct for more information on 1800 022 222.
Stating that the global population was heading towards 9 billion, Gates said, "If we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services (abortion), we could lower that by perhaps 10 or 15 per cent."
Quite how an improvement in health care and vaccines that supposedly save lives would lead to a lowering in global population is an oxymoron, unless Gates is referring to vaccines that sterilize people, which is precisely the same method advocated in White House science advisor John P. Holdren's 1977 textbook Ecoscience, which calls for a dictatorial "planetary regime" to enforce draconian measures of population reduction via all manner of oppressive techniques, including sterilization.
Peter,
will you now post the letter that appeared next to it, from a bloke also with a PhD, with real facts and figures
What about the link between not getting vaccinised and dying from preventable illnesses? I'd rather be a bit mental than dead or living in an iron lung. People who don't get their kids vaccinised, unless there is reasonable medical advice not to vaccinised are irresponsible and selfish.
Basically they are saying "I am not prepared to take the risk of side effects but I hope my neighbour will take the risk with their kids. I'm a selfish prick"
Ever seen someone with polio, yellow fever or a baby with whooping cough?
I'll have a needle thanks.
I have a fluvax every year for as long as they have been free to us. Never ever ever had a side effect
My daughter has had all her jabs - no harm done
So have 400 others in her school - without drama
I understand people need to be informed - fair enough but really the chance of severe side effects are less than being run over by a bus.
ginger pom.....While on the topic, why don't you link to the letter itself rather than paraphrasing random sentences from the original in an assortment of tenses?
i copied the WHOLE letter from west australian newspaper.
mark....Peter,
will you now post the letter that appeared next to it, from a bloke also with a PhD, with real facts and figures
no, because it's about time we heard from BOTH sides.
you want real facts + figures?
my 70 year/old friend took the flu vaccine about 5 weeks ago. he was in bed for around 2 weeks, when i rang him his wife told me he was too sick to answer the phone.
his friend [who i have not met] also took the flu vaccine around the same time and is now partly paralysed.
the assumption that these vaccines protect against all these various diseases is exactly that,an assumption.
when these vaccines were introduced, [if you look at the data] many of these diseases were already almost eradicated.
watch the documentary Vaccines The Hidden Truth for conformation of this data.
CHICAGO, Dec. 7 (UPI) -- It's a far piece from the horse-and-buggies of Lancaster County, Pa., to the cars and freeways of Cook County, Ill.
But thousands of children cared for by Homefirst Health Services in metropolitan Chicago have at least two things in common with thousands of Amish children in rural Lancaster: They have never been vaccinated. And they don't have autism.
"We have a fairly large practice. We have about 30,000 or 35,000 children that we've taken care of over the years, and I don't think we have a single case of autism in children delivered by us who never received vaccines," said Dr. Mayer Eisenstein, Homefirst's medical director who founded the practice in 1973. Homefirst doctors have delivered more than 15,000 babies at home, and thousands of them have never been vaccinated.
The few autistic children Homefirst sees were vaccinated before their families became patients, Eisenstein said. "I can think of two or three autistic children who we've delivered their mother's next baby, and we aren't really totally taking care of that child -- they have special care needs. But they bring the younger children to us. I don't have a single case that I can think of that wasn't vaccinated."
The autism rate in Illinois public schools is 38 per 10,000, according to state Education Department data; the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention puts the national rate of autism spectrum disorders at 1 in 166 -- 60 per 10,000.
"We do have enough of a sample," Eisenstein said. "The numbers are too large to not see it. We would absolutely know. We're all family doctors. If I have a child with autism come in, there's no communication. It's frightening. You can't touch them. It's not something that anyone would miss."
No one knows what causes autism, but federal health authorities say it isn't childhood immunizations. Some parents and a small minority of doctors and scientists, however, assert vaccines are responsible.
This column has been looking for autism in never-vaccinated U.S. children in an effort to shed light on the issue. We went to Chicago to meet with Eisenstein at the suggestion of a reader, and we also visited Homefirst's office in northwest suburban Rolling Meadows. Homefirst has four other offices in the Chicago area and a total of six doctors.
Eisenstein stresses his observations are not scientific. "The trouble is this is just anecdotal in a sense, because what if every autistic child goes somewhere else and (their family) never calls us or they moved out of state?"
In practice, that's unlikely to account for the pronounced absence of autism, says Eisenstein, who also has a bachelor's degree in statistics, a master's degree in public health and a law degree.
Homefirst follows state immunization mandates, but Illinois allows religious exemptions if parents object based either on tenets of their faith or specific personal religious views. Homefirst does not exclude or discourage such families. Eisenstein, in fact, is author of the book "Don't Vaccinate Before You Educate!" and is critical of the CDC's vaccination policy in the 1990s, when several new immunizations were added to the schedule, including Hepatitis B as early as the day of birth. Several of the vaccines -- HepB included -- contained a mercury-based preservative that has since been phased out of most childhood vaccines in the United States.
Medical practices with Homefirst's approach to immunizations are rare. "Because of that, we tend to attract families that have questions about that issue," said Dr. Paul Schattauer, who has been with Homefirst for 20 years and treats "at least" 100 children a week.
Schattauer seconded Eisenstein's observations. "All I know is in my practice I don't see autism. There is no striking 1-in-166," he said.
Earlier this year we reported the same phenomenon in the mostly unvaccinated Amish. CDC Director Dr. Julie Gerberding told us the Amish "have genetic connectivity that would make them different from populations that are in other sectors of the United States." Gerberding said, however, studies "could and should be done" in more representative unvaccinated groups -- if they could be found and their autism rate documented.
Chicago is America's prototypical "City of Big Shoulders," to quote Carl Sandburg, and Homefirst's mostly middle-class families seem fairly representative. A substantial number are conservative Christians who home-school their children. They are mostly white, but the Homefirst practice also includes black and Hispanic families and non-home-schooling Jews, Catholics and Muslims.
They tend to be better educated, follow healthier diets and breast-feed their children much longer than the norm -- half of Homefirst's mothers are still breast-feeding at two years. Also, because Homefirst relies less on prescription drugs including antibiotics as a first line of treatment, these children have less exposure to other medicines, not just vaccines.
Schattauer, interviewed at the Rolling Meadows office, said his caseload is too limited to draw conclusions about a possible link between vaccines and autism. "With these numbers you'd have a hard time proving or disproving anything," he said. "You can only get a feeling about it.
"In no way would I be an advocate to stand up and say we need to look at vaccines, because I don't have the science to say that," Schattauer said. "But I don't think the science is there to say that it's not."
Schattauer said Homefirst's patients also have significantly less childhood asthma and juvenile diabetes compared to national rates. An office manager who has been with Homefirst for 17 years said she is aware of only one case of severe asthma in an unvaccinated child.
"Sometimes you feel frustrated because you feel like you've got a pretty big secret," Schattauer said. He argues for more research on all those disorders, independent of political or business pressures.
The asthma rate among Homefirst patients is so low it was noticed by the Blue Cross group with which Homefirst is affiliated, according to Eisenstein.
"In the alternative-medicine network which Homefirst is part of, there are virtually no cases of childhood asthma, in contrast to the overall Blue Cross rate of childhood asthma which is approximately 10 percent," he said. "At first I thought it was because they (Homefirst's children) were breast-fed, but even among the breast-fed we've had asthma. We have virtually no asthma if you're breast-fed and not vaccinated."
Because the diagnosis of asthma is based on emergency-room visits and hospital admissions, Eisenstein said, Homefirst's low rate is hard to dispute. "It's quantifiable -- the definition is not reliant on the doctor's perception of asthma."
Several studies have found a risk of asthma from vaccination; others have not. Studies that include never-vaccinated children generally find little or no asthma in that group.
Earlier this year Florida pediatrician Dr. Jeff Bradstreet said there is virtually no autism in home-schooling families who decline to vaccinate for religious reasons -- lending credence to Eisenstein's observations.
"It's largely non-existent," said Bradstreet, who treats children with autism from around the country. "It's an extremely rare event."
Bradstreet has a son whose autism he attributes to a vaccine reaction at 15 months. His daughter has been home-schooled, he describes himself as a "Christian family physician," and he knows many of the leaders in the home-school movement.
"There was this whole subculture of folks who went into home-schooling so they would never have to vaccinate their kids," he said. "There's this whole cadre who were never vaccinated for religious reasons."
In that subset, he said, "unless they were massively exposed to mercury through lots of amalgams (mercury dental fillings in the mother) and/or big-time fish eating, I've not had a single case."
Federal health authorities and mainstream medical groups emphatically dismiss any link between autism and vaccines, including the mercury-based preservative thimerosal. Last year a panel of the Institute of Medicine, part of the National Academies, said there is no evidence of such a link, and funding should henceforth go to "promising" research.
Thimerosal, which is 49.6 percent ethyl mercury by weight, was phased out of most U.S. childhood immunizations beginning in 1999, but the CDC recommends flu shots for pregnant women and last year began recommending them for children 6 to 23 months old. Most of those shots contain thimerosal.
Thimerosal-preserved vaccines are currently being injected into millions of children in developing countries around the world. "My mandate ... is to make sure at the end of the day that 100,000,000 are immunized ... this year, next year and for many years to come ... and that will have to be with thimerosal-containing vaccines," said John Clements of the World Health Organization at a June 2000 meeting called by the CDC.
That meeting was held to review data that thimerosal might be linked with autism and other neurological problems. But in 2004 the Institute of Medicine panel said evidence against a link is so strong that health authorities, "whether in the United States or other countries, should not include autism as a potential risk" when formulating immunization policies.
But where is the simple, straightforward study of autism in never-vaccinated U.S. children? Based on our admittedly anecdotal and limited reporting among the Amish, the home-schooled and now Chicago's Homefirst, that may prove to be a significant omission.
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A letter written by FDR to Colonel House, November 21st, 1933
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i typed it with one finger. it took me 10 minutes of my time ,for what to be re......
saturday june 5 2010
validate.....ok, this letter was not in the west australian newspaper on saturday june 5th,in fact it was not in any newspaper.
i made the whole thing up from the top of my head.
there are no toxic ingredients in vaccines,there is no evidence of any kind [from anyone] to say these shots are anything but beneficial.
Yes, the Amish.
That sensible bunch of rational people who believe time should be frozen at 1850 (or whatever year it is). Everything pre-1850 good, no matter what it is, everything post 1850 bad, no matter what it is.
Few more things they believe :
Lawn Mowers are evil. But wipper snippers are God's gift. Hence you see them mow large front lawns with wipper snippers on Sunday mornings, mowing lawn on a Saturday morning is immoral - not sure if that is immoral for the lawn or the person doing the mowing).
Rubber tyres are OK by God - so long as you don't put air in them. The old steel wheels on the carts were a bit painful so now you see them driving around with flat rubber tyres.
Mobile phones - good, talking in Church - bad.
Yes, I would look to the Amish for rational medical beliefs over WHO and my own experiences anytime. They clearly hold real and sensible values that far outstrip my reality.
Hey petermac33 - maybe try Googling 'The Amish are evil and brain washed me'. You'll probably find something right up your alley. Might not fit with your 'Amish provide solid and sensible data' theory though.
YOU CAN LEAD A HORSE TO WATER, BUT YOU CAN'T MAKE HIM DRINK - "Although you may be able to show a person what is best, according to this proverb, you cannot force him to it - even though it is in his interest.
i will post the original,in due time.
going to have my weet-bix now with distilled water. yummy
get away from the water thingo...it rusts, so it must be bad
get truly inoculated with BUNDY no worries, smells a little . 
Happy now !!
My understanding of vaccines was that they contained a small amount of the virus, which then 'taught' your immune system how to defeat it for next time.
www.mydr.com.au/travel-health/vaccination-and-antibodies
So I'm not surprised that giving people a vaccine makes them a bit sick for a day or so, especially so children. Whether it's beneficial in the long term... dunno.
I haven't ever had a flu shot, and haven't had a day off work sick for five years. Are they related? Who knows 
Studies with a sample size of 1 aren't all that conclusive
