A few days ago I was bouncing on the tramp with my daughter when something in my back went pop. Since then I've been hobbling around with a sore back.
Any way. went for a powered session on the landboard today. 15-20 knots with the 15m speed. Lots of floaty jumps.... hmmmm glide. holding down lots of power. Rib crushing power.
I get back from the session and realise my back doesn't hurt anymore....
Sweet. The kite must have squeezed it back into place.
Same here, back feels a bit dodgy - go for a kite & after a few boosts "CLICK"....happy days.
Yep been out for a sore back stretch many a time worst part is pumping the kite up with a sore back before the traction session.
Sweet... good to see it works for others. I was half expecting some enraged chiropractor to tell me off for potentially wrecking my back?
If the kite doesn't work next time go see a physio, not a chiropractor. Chiros aren't recognised by proper medical associations, charge three times your local Chinese masseuse, and can do a lot more damage. Seeing a chiro about pain is like going to see a stockbroker to make money, foolish.
Slightly off topic but there's 2 camps of Chiros.
1. New-school evidence based, that sort muscular-skeletal problems using scientifically proven techniques. Do good work.
2. Old-school who blame things on 'subluxation', want to touch your babies and even pets, and tend to be rabidly anti-vax and pro woo-woo remedies like homeopathy, and often illegally refer to themselves as "Dr", and are generally scum of the earth types.
More reading for the interested:
reasonablehank.com/
Here's what I do for my stiff back. It loosens things up for me.
I put two tennis balls in a sock and tie a knot to hold them there. I lie on my back on the floor with them under my back, with one ball on each side of my spine. I cross my arms and put a hand on each shoulder and pull. Lifting my head, I roll back and forwards along the spine with my knees bent and feet flat on the floor.
Disclaimer: this is what I do and I'm not a chiropractor so I'm not advising anyone to try it!
I used to get a lot of back pains when I was windsurfing.
Ever since I took up kiting I have not had any back pains.
There fore that makes me think that kiting is better for your health and wellbeing!
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Here's what I do for my stiff back. It loosens things up for me.
I put two tennis balls in a sock and tie a knot to hold them there. I lie on my back on the floor with them under my back, with one ball on each side of my spine. I cross my arms and put a hand on each shoulder and pull. Lifting my head, I roll back and forwards along the spine with my knees bent and feet flat on the floor.
Disclaimer: this is what I do and I'm not a chiropractor so I'm not advising anyone to try it!
Yeh I do this with a tennis ball leaning against a wall...but you have taken this to a whole new level! Will give it a try.
I'm with wishy on this - 3 times I've done something wildly unremarkable and it has left me not being able to turn my neck.
Feeling like a Grumpy old Man; 3 times I walked across to the Chinese massage crew, $35 neck & shoulder massage and I'm back and able to watch Wimbledon on the wide screen.
Those massueses know something and don't charge the world for it.
Select to expand quoteeppo said..pintofpale said..
Here's what I do for my stiff back. It loosens things up for me.
I put two tennis balls in a sock and tie a knot to hold them there. I lie on my back on the floor with them under my back, with one ball on each side of my spine. I cross my arms and put a hand on each shoulder and pull. Lifting my head, I roll back and forwards along the spine with my knees bent and feet flat on the floor.
Disclaimer: this is what I do and I'm not a chiropractor so I'm not advising anyone to try it!
Yeh I do this with a tennis ball leaning against a wall...but you have taken this to a whole new level! Will give it a try.
Yeah dont get addicted!
yeah i call my kite a cyro, misses thiunks im stupid , glad to read this post , i feel much better
Well my friends it depends on what country you come from. In Canada chiros are highly valued and respected. It seems like many things we have followed America down this rabbit hole as well.
I have always gone to a Chiro, who by the way has a medical degree as well, when spine related. I have also gone to him for muscular issues where he has used a combination of Chiro techniques and muscular manipulation techniques and associated technologies. A brilliant practitioner.
He also solved my babies sleeping issues. From birth the poor sucker was way out. One visit after 7 months or torture and we got out lives back.
So don't generalise for gods sake, there are good and bad practitioners in every field. When it comes to the spine, they are the specialists.
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Reasonable hank dosent sound too reasonable to me, lots of very emotive language and one sided arguments there.
What he's doing there is a series calling out Anti-vax chiros who are flagrantly breaching the Chiropractic Board of Australia's orders. It's a spin-off of his good work debunking lies and misinformation being spread by the Anti-Vaccination Network.
It's based on this: The Chiropractic Board of Australia cracks down to protect the public.
The Chiropractic Board of Australia is cracking down on chiropractors who step outside their primary role as healthcare practitioners and provide treatment that puts the public at risk.
To protect public safety, the Board has:
- ordered practitioners to remove all anti-vaccination material from their websites and clinics
- removed several courses from the list of approved CPD programs, and
- introduced random audits of practitioner compliance with the Board???s registration standards. [Media Release August 8 2013]
Someone need to do it, good on Reasonable Hank for putting the effort in.Select to expand quotespikeysteve said..
as far as vaccinations are concerned, I generally think that they have more benefits than harms, but are not 100% safe (ask mick button, former rusty shaper, about his daughter saba) so should be a personal choice like all medications.
Here is the crux of the issue. Every Doctor (real Doctor) in the country recommends vaccinations for children. Why? Because the overall harm is less with total childhood vaccination than without. That is proven, the science is in. Every medical association in the country is unanimous on the topic.
Chiros need to make a choice here - are you real doctors or are you peddlers of woo? You can't have a foot in both camps. You need to decide and follow one path. If you follow the path or reason, science, and evidence-based medicine, then you need to recommend vaccination every single time. That's what real doctors do.
If you are using the term "Dr" then people respect your medical opinion. You have a duty and a responsibility to educate yourself properly in the area. That means reading beyond the bull on AVN, naturalnews etc, and actually reading what doctors and scientists believe on the issue.
You also need expand your horizons beyond the use of one example to justify your position. One testimonial is statistically insignificant. Yes, there is a very very small but real rate of harm from various vaccines. As there is from any surgery, or for that matter from toilet seats, bus doors, escalators, or red jelly beans. But the bigger picture is that herd immunity is the best way of controlling and/or eradicating disease, and vaccines cause way way less harm than the diseases they prevent. I don't want to argue it in detail but the science is there, which is why doctors, hospitals, medical associations, the government, and anyone outside the woo field are unanimous on vaccination.Select to expand quotespikeysteve said..
I have many clients that benefit from what I do, and love coming to see me. If clients are not benefiting from what I do, i recommend that they dont keep coming in. I really dont want to waste my time or increase my stress levels by trying to force or convince people that they should be doing what they dont want to do, id prefer to just go home and go kiting.
I don't dispute any of that. You might think you're old-school but given that you're what 6 or 8 years out of training, I'd say you're new-school and generally evidence based. But it's hard to tell without more info. Care you share your personal or companies web site or facebook page?Select to expand quotespikeysteve said..
I resent small minded know it alls trying to press their point of view as the only one, and anyone who disagrees is clearly wrong. Fundamentalist a$$holes.
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that is referring to Meryl Dorey's personal money-making machine, the Anti-Vaccination Network.
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Some interesting assumptions here. How do you define between 'real doctors' and 'peddlers of woo'? Do you decide?
Is there only one way? "your either with us or with the terrorists"
It's fairly simple. Recommended Vaccines good. Homeopathy = placebo, generally harmless until displaces real medicine. Homeopathic "vaccines" = dangerous placebo for previous reasons. Deepak chopra, power balance bands, coconut water- examples of woo. Is it really that hard to tell the difference? Select to expand quotespikeysteve said..
Do you have to reccomend the vaccines that science shows ineffective?
wont even get started about evidence based medicine, and the biases of industry funded science
No please do, provide some examples, I'm very interested. Start by all means. Show us the basis that you, a Doctor, have used to form your opinions.
Don't be afraid of a robust discussion Steve, you profession isn't just about, and I quote you from your post on a surf forum, "makin lots of moola".
If you call yourself Doctor, you have a Doctor's responsibilities on your shoulders.
Not sure how to embed but if anyone missed the Catalyst show on chiropractic care. Even covers vaccination and the views of the AMA.
Not afraid of a robust discussion, just not interested in getting to a war about vaccination with some dude on the internet who is stalking my posts (!?!) on other forums. Got better stuff to do with my time. So this will be my last post on the matter
since you asked so nicely, i will provide some links to EBM stuff before i sign off.
Now keep in mind that i am not saying EBM is bad, only that it has limitations that I as a clinician have to face everyday as i make clinical decisions. One of the main criticisms of EBM is that anything less than a double blind RCT is seen as inferior evidence. Chiropractic, and other holistic interventions, dont lend themselves well to double blind RCT - i need to see who i am treating, and i know whether i think that my treatment will be effective or not.
chiropractic has heaps of clinical evidence, but is commonly written off because 'its not enough, we need an RCT'
I look forward to more research, and I donate money each year for chiropractic research.
how much evidence do we really have?
bestpractice.bmj.com/info/evidence-information/
bias in medical trials
www.ted.com/talks/ben_goldacre_what_doctors_don_t_know_about_the_drugs_they_prescribe.html
or from the editor or the new England journal of medicine
ethicalnag.org/2009/11/09/nejm-editor/
The chiropractor who was interviewed on catalyst, and his response to the program
www.libertychiropractic.com.au/blog/tag/catalyst/
Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so too - Voltaire
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Don't be afraid of a robust discussion Steve, you profession isn't just about, and I quote you from your post on a surf forum, "makin lots of moola".
If you call yourself Doctor, you have a Doctor's responsibilities on your shoulders.
Some seriously spooky and aggressive posts which verge on psychopathic. It's a kiting forum.
Select to expand quoteeddiemorgs said...kiteboy dave said..
Don't be afraid of a robust discussion Steve, you profession isn't just about, and I quote you from your post on a surf forum, "makin lots of moola".
If you call yourself Doctor, you have a Doctor's responsibilities on your shoulders.
Some seriously spooky and aggressive posts which verge on psychopathic. It's a kiting forum.
3 minutes of googling is hardly spooky or psychopathic in this day & age. It's the internet, if you put it out there then it's there for all to see. might as well get comfortable with that reality.
This ought to be in the heavy weather forum, I'll flag for mods to move please.
