This would have probably come up before, if someone could direct me or just fire away.
I normally ride a Cardboard Wave 148cm(mutant) - love it and it's not too bad on the lower end, but wouldn't mind getting a few more lower end knots out of my kites, as there is a big gap between the second biggest and the biggest kite.
Suggestions?
ps Not a SB, can't stand em. Something similar to the CB wave or a TT.
The best thing for light wind is a wide flat TT. Mine is a 135x48cm custom TT I had Cardboards make to my specs.
It was based on a plywood board I made and rode for several years. The Cardboard is much lighter.
You could get quite a good result by just plonking some straps on a sheet of 10-12mm marine ply. (Strapless could be fun but a bit limiting.) The natural flex in the ply gives you all the rocker you need when it is loaded up.
A good light wind TT is liking adding an extre 2m onto your kite without the negatives that brings.
The wide board can get a bit skatey if your technique is off, particularly in chop and toeside carves. It does help focus your technique and when you get it right it is magic.
I had a magic session on Sunday. The only one riding for the first hour and having perfect, glassy small waves all to myself for most of the second hour. Bliss!!!
Finless is also good in light winds, although some small fins do make the board more forgiving.
As you probably know, avoid rocker in a light wind board.
Surfboards are bad because of too much rocker and too much fin drag.
Raceboards go faster upwind and at a higher angle but are too hard to ride in really light conditions.
A standard commercial lightwind TT can be almost as a good as a flat, wide TT. They are generally a bit long and flexy to be really good in light winds.
I have never tried a Door style TT. Lots of people say good things about them.
If I had to have only one board and kite it would be my light wind TT and a 10m bow kite.
Hey gorgo
Do you have the final say too the cardboard plyboard you got made or will cards let us have one . Do i need your permission do get one made is what iam asking i would love to have a nice lite wind board aswell and i have read somewhere else here that you got a board made up to your own design . Sound exzacly what i need .
What did ya name it buy the way .
Thanks in advance Sam
liquid force Lowrider 165.
It basically just a massive TT, rides with very similar feel to my 134 though.
... I have a lot of fun on an underground 146 x 44 and its a great light wind board for the heavy guy and even better for a lighter guy, plus it is still good when the wind picks up too. For a bigger board, it is quite lively and smooth through the water handling chop no worries. I'm not a fan of the older straps but the new ones look good!
Good luck,
Robbie
If I was going to go for a light wind TT board it would be 149.5cm long x 44.2cm wide and 29.3 on the tips.
40mm fins, 35mm constant rocker, 7mm double concave, medium flex, wide stance, orange graphic so I dont loose the bugger. And a handle just cause Im a kook rebel.
Add a harness line and ride double hooked (kite trimmed to max power,) You'll get your extra low end 2 knots. Will improve your board skills too, learning to brake and accelerate using only the board primarily as the sheet system is "locked out."
Not really a skill for learners but great to try in low wind, and as I said it will extend the low end of the kite as a stiff unsheeted wing is more efficient (correctly trimmed.)
If you do go this route then you'll save the cost of a new board. Make sure you get a harness line for kiting and not windsurfing as the kite versions have a QR. My LF kite has the option to ride "double hooked" without the harness line by using the pull down stopper to lock the chicken loop in the full power position. I use it a lot when the wind is marginal, it makes getting up wind, moving with a decent current, quite effortless.
I didn't thumb anybody.
In light wind the kite is more likely to stall and drop backwards out of the sky. It happens when the bar is pulled in too hard in the middle of the window, or when the kite comes too far forward in a gust, or simply when the wind drops off to almost nothing.
The solution is to push the bar out and possibly even reach over and pull the front lines to pump it back up into the air. If the kite has already stalled you can down loop it, or let it drop backwards into the middle of the window, then turn it and send it through the middle of the window at speed. All this requires the bar to be pushed out.
You also need air speed to generate power. It is common to push the bar out, generate speed on the down stroke, turn the kite and ease the bar in to convert the speed into power on the upstroke.
I think having a locked chicken loop would work to get more power out of a relatively small kite in moderate winds. I doubt if it would help to get more power out of a larger kite in light winds.
^^^ 14 knots, 20 meter lines and a 14 meter Flow, works fine. Works with my 8 in 15 knots too.:D
I think the point is somewhat confused. This is a technique to use once in the water and flying the kite. Your kite will fly in a steady 10 knots on the beach, but you cant ride your board with it in that wind.
Once hooked into your usual set up (chicken loop,) head out with a couple of full power strokes, once planing, double hook and then trim the kite for the best power, (do not oversheet the trim as the kite, as you described will reverse , overfly, or drop out. Most modern kites have less of these traits, making them more stable but with reduced performance. It's what the market demands.)
Having the kite remain solid with no change in the angle of attack will in fact make it more predictable and stable, that's not to say more af a hazard on the beach, but in the water the benefits are obvious. Every time you change the AOA (angle of attack) you take wind and speed out of the kite. Removing this feature lets you get all available performance from the kite all of the time. It's a low wind technique that will extend the lower range of your kite.
Me and a couple of the guys at our local beach use the underground stella 144cm x 46cm, rides similar to a smaller TT and gets you going earlier when the winds are light.
If you are serious about finding the RIGHT lightwind twin tip I would seriously recommend you try the new Shinn King George before spending your hard earned.
Its only just arrived in Oz so I havent had a chance to try nit myself yet but first reports are all very favourable with suggestions that it rides like a regular twinny - with very few of the 'big board' drawbacks of similar sized options in the past.
Woodys Kite Surf & SUP have the King George available for demo for anyone wanting to test it out.
see : www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Kitesurfing/Review/No-I-shall-have-mistresses-King-George-II-Quote/
My new rig = 2006 6 meter Matrix. ($75 still crispy)
Plus new Airush pulley bar with new 15 meter lines. ($75)
Lots of "oldschool" fun on this in 15 knots
It's being fully sheeted in and using a separate harness line so you can hook in to that and not risk letting the bar out with your arms.
It's how we used to ride 10 years ago before the chicken loop was invented.
^^^ As much as I love that video of Lou that's not what we mean - Gorgo the old fuddy duddy remebers...
I meant something like this (ps: you have no idea how long it took me poking around on google to find a pic with a mainloop on it ):
well i live at a light wind area that really makes my ozone zephyr the standar kite i pump most of the times. The TT i like to use is a f-one fifty pro , that isnt that much of a light wind kite , more like a big rookie board i would say. It is very easy riding but on my feet (intermediate to advanced level) you can pop jump backloop etc easy
I am 80 kgr and i can ride at 8 knots if steady you can do small things.
I am also waiting a underground kipuna 6,2 to add to my collection so i can send some feedback when i will try it
Ta will try the hooked in version like the old days (yes I remember), think I have one of those somewhere in the shed. Will look into the boards recommended as well.
Eppo
Had a great session this arvo down at Contacios on my 08 Spleene Zone.
They are a fantastic board, might be hard to find one though.
(link below of someone elses Zone)
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Kitesurfing/General/Got-my-Spleene-Zone-today/
yeh good boards, but I wouldn't call them light wind boards, whatsoever. yeh not many around anymore, they were a good design.