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C kites 4 line vs 5 line vs bridled

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Created by eppo > 9 months ago, 9 Aug 2012
eppo
WA, 9505 posts
9 Aug 2012 10:43PM
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Found this discussion really interesting and informative. Thought I'd share.

kiteforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2376899

dbabicwa
WA, 808 posts
10 Aug 2012 1:17PM
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Hm, I've got C with 5 lines.

I believed it's much harder to invert (inside out), a kite with 5 lines, duno why I thought so.

This was the reason for purchase. My previous 4 lines hybrid kite was inverting like hell, hence loosing precious time, rolling lines and walking back.

But first time went out with a C, guess what? Inverted after second drop in drink, even tho was pulling middle line etc...

Having a kite which doesn't invert gives me more time on water, more joy and safety. I mean, my bow 4 lines kites never, ever inverted and riding bows more than 70% of time.

Must be a kite than.
Does C or hybrid or bow or xyz inverts more ?
Does 5 lines inverts the same as 4?
Does bridled inverts more?

My question is not how to solve\prevent inversion. Any kite can invert but which design does it more?

Troyrotor
QLD, 318 posts
10 Aug 2012 6:26PM
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Are you talking hindenberging? Or inverting when crashed?

If its when crashing try pumping harder, a hard kite shouldn't invert ever.
Most inversions are from the kite hitting the water and the rider continuing to ride towards the kite, the lines go slack and the kite rolls over.
If the kite hits the piss slow yourself down and edge away from the kite ASAP

Underoath
QLD, 2433 posts
10 Aug 2012 8:55PM
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O I love the feeling of a half mood kite recovering 1m from the water, instant hot launch!

dbabicwa
WA, 808 posts
10 Aug 2012 7:43PM
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Troyrotor said...

Are you talking hindenberging? Or inverting when crashed?

If its when crashing try pumping harder, a hard kite shouldn't invert ever.
Most inversions are from the kite hitting the water and the rider continuing to ride towards the kite, the lines go slack and the kite rolls over.
If the kite hits the piss slow yourself down and edge away from the kite ASAP


Inverting after crashed, trying to relaunch...

Pump hard? Ok, will try that.

However, I was told other big brands invert as well even when hard as rock...

I still think some designs are more prone to inversion than other.

Should fifth line prevent this?

beefarmer
WA, 328 posts
10 Aug 2012 8:52PM
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i fly 5 line c kites - new kiteboarding - 4 years or so now - i have 7 of them - i've only ever inverted 1, once.

so i think it is possible, but should be very very rare. The one time it did invert, was doing as troy describes, crashing and riding towards the kite. and it was a small 7m with only 3 struts, which i understand makes it easier to invert.

So your question Any kite can invert but which design does it more?

I think not a 5 line c kite

eppo
WA, 9505 posts
10 Aug 2012 9:01PM
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Beef you got 7 new kites now!! You've been busy boy since I last talked to ya. Then again I've bought three kites abs 2 boards. Oops.

dafunk
QLD, 559 posts
10 Aug 2012 11:16PM
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it happened once to me, bar out through the window.
was a 5 line kite .

dbabicwa
WA, 808 posts
10 Aug 2012 10:02PM
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beefarmer said...


So your question Any kite can invert but which design does it more?

I think not a 5 line c kite


Ok, thanks! Need more time with this 9m to say how it does.

beefarmer
WA, 328 posts
10 Aug 2012 11:43PM
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eppo said...

Beef you got 7 new kites now!! You've been busy boy since I last talked to ya. Then again I've bought three kites abs 2 boards. Oops.



oops lost count. ive got 6 news, and 1 antique airrush, i;m just a collector

haven't used the new 11m yet though i'm looking forward to hitting you up for that tour of the estuary you promised me next time i can skive off work on a windy day

eppo
WA, 9505 posts
11 Aug 2012 7:59AM
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No worries my friend. Give us a buzz when this final bit of winter pisses off, man I'm looking forward to this season.3 boards and three kites, I'm all dressed up and nowhere to go!


Anyhow any fuel riders out there, any comments.

axis
VIC, 399 posts
22 Aug 2012 9:44PM
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eppo said...


Anyhow any fuel riders out there, any comments.


Been riding fuels since '03 ('03, '04, '07, '08, '09, '10) never inverted any. Only flew the '09's on 5 lines.

hamburglar
ACT, 2174 posts
22 Aug 2012 11:37PM
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a method iv'e been experimenting with that is working
quite well , keep your kite in the air never had one
invert yet



stamp
QLD, 2770 posts
23 Aug 2012 9:37AM
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eppo said...

No worries my friend. Give us a buzz when this final bit of winter pisses off, man I'm looking forward to this season.3 boards and three kites, I'm all dressed up and nowhere to go!


Anyhow any fuel riders out there, any comments.


i ride fuels on 5 lines (my newest one is 08 though), never had one invert on flat water but plenty of times in the waves. you can fully release the 5th line so it doesn't bow tie when tumbled in the surf.
i reckon a 5th is great for faster relaunch and extra trim when the wind picks up and you get overcooked.
apologies if i repeated anything in the koookforum link- i didn't bother reading it

richswing
WA, 724 posts
23 Aug 2012 9:57AM
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www.seabreeze.com.au/Articles/Kitesurfing/Kite-relaunch-technique-videos_2680758.aspx

Saying that I have wrapped my 5th a couple of times but only only in a direct onshore ( I think it was) but when it is cranking and everyone on the beach is waiting for you to self land your 5th line machine so you can help them land their 4 liners - its gold.

Cheers
Rich

Charl dv
WA, 2485 posts
23 Aug 2012 10:57AM
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dbabicwa said...

Troyrotor said...

Are you talking hindenberging? Or inverting when crashed?

If its when crashing try pumping harder, a hard kite shouldn't invert ever.
Most inversions are from the kite hitting the water and the rider continuing to ride towards the kite, the lines go slack and the kite rolls over.
If the kite hits the piss slow yourself down and edge away from the kite ASAP


Inverting after crashed, trying to relaunch...

Pump hard? Ok, will try that.

However, I was told other big brands invert as well even when hard as rock...

I still think some designs are more prone to inversion than other.

Should fifth line prevent this?




shouldn't really happen, to be honest i think it's something to do with your flying. As said before, if you crash a kite and keep riding on your board and go towards it the lines will slack and the kite will roll. That's the only reason my kites have ever inverted on me.

Other thing to check is your trimming, how tight is the 5th line? if it's too tight it can cause a bit of an issue too. What kite are you on? most C kites now should be set so that there is just enough tension on the 5th to take up the slack but it should not be carrying a lot of load and be very tight. Check this next time you fly.

Puetz
NT, 2177 posts
23 Aug 2012 1:24PM
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... So talking of inverting I had a funny thing happen.

I used to ride a 16m Naish X4 (2004) kite with the original 4 line bar, years ago, loved them back then and it did the damndest thing!

I accidently rode into a well know area where the wind is really gusty and down wind of trees with really disturbed winds, winds all over the place. As I entered the sh!tty wind zone the kite hindenberged and started to fall. As it dropped, quite slowly infact, must have been some sort of wierd layers thing happening and as the kite drifted into another layer of wind, it rotated or somersaulted you could call it, flying into its own front lines.

After somersaulting the kite rolled and caught the wind again and flew back to 12 o'clock. Bar and lines are now inside out, twisted, with me looking dumb founded. Then the kite started to fall again so I tried to run backwards but I was a little too deep in the water to move anywhere, so the kite started to fall again.

The bloody thing did the wierd somersault thing again only going the other way. Bugger me even with slack lines it caught the wind again and the lines tightened so flew back to 12. The bar/lines are now back to normal!

Bugger this, I punched out so the kite fell to the water Totally blown away I couldn't believe what I just saw, if someone else had told me I probably wouldn't believe them to be honest!!!

And no I hadn't been drinking or smoking something or under the influence of drugs .... just a freaky freaky thing. 8 years later and I still haven't seen anything as wierd.

cheers for now,

Robbie

eppo
WA, 9505 posts
23 Aug 2012 2:45PM
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And no I hadn't been drinking or smoking something or under the influence of drugs .... just a freaky freaky thing. 8 years later and I still haven't seen anything as wierd.

cheers for now,

Robbie






yeh sure robbie.....lol

DelFuego
WA, 213 posts
23 Aug 2012 3:26PM
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Puetz
NT, 2177 posts
23 Aug 2012 6:25PM
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eppo said...


And no I hadn't been drinking or smoking something or under the influence of drugs .... just a freaky freaky thing. 8 years later and I still haven't seen anything as wierd.

cheers for now,

Robbie





yeh sure robbie.....lol


... nah officer, true story,,, honest,,, only had the one!!!



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