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As a parent of young children, I’m horrified by the story of Rachel & the Gladstone stingers, & also am loathe to hijack her story. But still, I see this as a symptom of a bigger picture.
In the 1980’s in Bowen, way up north, there were signs erected warning of the dangers of marine stingers, although it was a rare occurrence for people to actually come in contact with them. Over the years the stingers, the cane toads, the crocs, have slowly but surely been migrating further south with each new year. Marine stingers would have been unheard of in Gladstone in years past. Yet we brush these facts off as just peculiar events. The reason is that our climate is changing. Historically evolution has been natures way of coping with a changing climate. Living things have, over time, changed in response to there changing environment. But never in the history of our planet has our climate been subjected to such a sudden shock as it is at the moment, and the fact is that evolution is struggling to cope. There will be winners and losers but species are dying out faster than ever before, & that is surely bad for our ecosystems.
Other countries have moved on from the debate of whether humans are responsible for this rapid change, and are taking steps to attempt to limit our impact. Australia’s fossil fuel industry is worth billions to our economy each year. It has immense power, a massive war chest & a strong interest in maintaining it’s income stream. Likewise, of all the “Renewables” talk you read about of other countries, Iraq doesn’t rate a mention either.
The Greenies have already given up on their preffered target of 250 parts per million of CO2 in the atmosphere limit as being unachievable, & their new target of 450 ppm in no way assures that we can avoid catastrophic climate change.
I'm not a "Greenie" but I am very concerned, listening to the "Respected" environmental scientists. I work in the fossil fuel industry. The coal fired power station in which I work consumes 25000 tonne of fuel per day. Can you imagine how big a pile 25000 tonne is. Every day. In China they are commissioning a similar sized coal fired power station to this every single week. Newcastle Australia is the largest coal exporting port in the world. Over the next few years they plan to double it’s capacity. In the Hunter Valley the open cut mines have become so vast the mining companies don’t even bother trying to hide them behind tree barriers or earth mounds any more as it’s just become pointless.
I feel for Rachel & her family, but I worry for us all.
Colin
yes, yes all good points but putting a great big tax on everything with no real benifit to the environment is hardly constructive, infact it's the opposite, destructive as there will be less money about to tackle the real problems. co2 is not a poision. It's one of the building blocks of life. Taxing it is like taxing water.
The gladstone stingers are in all probability caused because of more localised issues, not co2 emissions
Tell me, how will billions of hard earned aussie dollars lining the pockets of a new beuraucratic world govt(oligarchy) will help the environment?.As much as you would like it to be a good outcome, it will not be. Do you really think they will have Australias best interests in mind? Do you want them to make decisions on our behalf? because that is what our elected representative is trying to sign up to.
Human induced climate change is not a scientific consensous, in fact it is far from it, climate change on the other hand is consensous, climate is allways changing.
Heres a little fact for u. Did you know that since the mars icecaps were first measured they have reduced in size by 1/3, is that because of co2 emissions too? The biggest impact on our climate comes from the sun, yet that is overlooked by the consensous gang.Not however by the majority of respected climatologists.
Don't get me wrong I care about the environment as much as the next person, but what government is trying to acheive is just wrong. There are better ways to go about reducing pollution, and becoming a more sustainable race without giving up our independance and sovereignty.
http://greenhoax.com/docs/senate%20report.htm
these are just the "tip of the iceberg" of experts in their respective fields who argue against HUMAN induced climate change.
Don Aitkin, PhD, Professor, social scientist, retired Vice-Chancellor and President, University of Canberra, Australia
Syun-Ichi Akasofu, PhD, Professor of Physics, Emeritus and Founding Director, International Arctic Research Center of the University of Alaska Fairbanks, U.S.
William J.R. Alexander, PhD, Professor Emeritus, Dept. of Civil and Biosystems Engineering, University of Pretoria, South Africa; Member, UN Scientific and Technical Committee on Natural Disasters, 1994-2000
Bjarne Andresen, PhD, physicist, Professor, The Niels Bohr Institute, University of Copenhagen, Denmark
Geoff L. Austin, PhD, FNZIP, FRSNZ, Professor, Dept. of Physics, University of Auckland, New Zealand
Timothy F. Ball, PhD, environmental consultant, former climatology professor, University of Winnipeg, Canada
Ernst-Georg Beck, Dipl. Biol., Biologist, Merian-Schule Freiburg, Germany
Sonja A. Boehmer-Christiansen, PhD, Reader, Dept. of Geography, Hull University, UK; Editor, Energy & Environment journal
Chris C. Borel, PhD, remote sensing scientist, U.S.
Reid A. Bryson, Ph.D. D.Sc. D.Engr., UNEP Global 500 Laureate; Senior Scientist, Center for Climatic Research; Emeritus Professor of Meteorology, of Geography, and of Environmental Studies, University of Wisconsin, U.S.
Dan Carruthers, M.Sc., wildlife biology consultant specializing in animal ecology in Arctic and Subarctic regions, Alberta, Canada
Robert M. Carter, PhD, Professor, Marine Geophysical Laboratory, James Cook University, Townsville, Australia
Ian D. Clark, PhD, Professor, isotope hydrogeology and paleoclimatology, Dept. of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa, Canada
Richard S. Courtney, PhD, climate and atmospheric science consultant, IPCC expert reviewer, U.K.
Willem de Lange, PhD, Dept. of Earth and Ocean Sciences, School of Science and Engineering, Waikato University, New Zealand
David Deming, PhD (Geophysics), Associate Professor, College of Arts and Sciences, University of Oklahoma, U.S.
Freeman J. Dyson, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Physics, Institute for Advanced Studies, Princeton, N.J., U.S.
Don J. Easterbrook, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Geology, Western Washington University, U.S.
Lance Endersbee, Emeritus Professor, former Dean of Engineering and Pro-Vice Chancellor of Monasy University, Australia
Hans Erren, Doctorandus, geophysicist and climate specialist, Sittard, The Netherlands
Robert H. Essenhigh, PhD, E.G. Bailey Professor of Energy Conversion, Dept. of Mechanical Engineering, The Ohio State University, U.S.
Christopher Essex, PhD, Professor of Applied Mathematics and Associate Director of the Program in Theoretical Physics, University of Western Ontario, Canada
David Evans, PhD, mathematician, carbon accountant, computer and electrical engineer and head of 'Science Speak', Australia
William Evans, PhD, Editor, American Midland Naturalist; Dept. of Biological Sciences, University of Notre Dame, U.S.
Stewart Franks, PhD, Associate Professor, Hydroclimatologist, University of Newcastle, Australia
R. W. Gauldie, PhD, Research Professor, Hawai'i Institute of Geophysics and Planetology, School of Ocean Earth Sciences and Technology, University of Hawaii at Manoa
lee C. Gerhard, PhD, Senior Scientist Emeritus, University of Kansas; former director and state geologist, Kansas Geological Survey, U.S.
Gerhard Gerlich, Professor for Mathematical and Theoretical Physics, Institut f?r Mathematische Physik der TU Braunschweig, Germany
Albrecht Glatzle, PhD, sc.agr., Agro-Biologist and Gerente ejecutivo, INTTAS, Paraguay
Fred Goldberg, PhD, Adj Professor, Royal Institute of Technology, Mechanical Engineering, Stockholm, Sweden
Vincent Gray, PhD, expert reviewer for the IPCC and author of The Greenhouse Delusion: A Critique of 'Climate Change 2001,' Wellington, New Zealand
William M. Gray, Professor Emeritus, Dept. of Atmospheric Science, Colorado State University and Head of the Tropical Meteorology Project, U.S.
Howard Hayden, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Physics, University of Connecticut, U.S.
Louis Hissink M.Sc. M.A.I.G., Editor AIG News and Consulting Geologist, Perth, Western Australia
Craig D. Idso, PhD, Chairman, Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change, Arizona, U.S.
Sherwood B. Idso, PhD, President, Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change, AZ, USA
Andrei Illarionov, PhD, Senior Fellow, Center for Global Liberty and Prosperity, U.S.; founder and director of the Institute of Economic Analysis, Russia
Zbigniew Jaworowski, PhD, physicist, Chairman - Scientific Council of Central Laboratory for Radiological Protection, Warsaw, Poland
Jon Jenkins, PhD, MD, computer modelling - virology, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Wibjorn Karlen, PhD, Emeritus Professor, Dept. of Physical Geography and Quaternary Geology, Stockholm University, Sweden
Olavi K?rner, Ph.D., Research Associate, Dept. of Atmospheric Physics, Institute of Astrophysics and Atmospheric Physics, Toravere, Estonia
Joel M. Kauffman, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Chemistry, University of the Sciences in Philadelphia, U.S.
David Kear, PhD, FRSNZ, CMG, geologist, former Director-General of NZ Dept. of Scientific & Industrial Research, New Zealand
Madhav Khandekar, PhD, former Research Scientist Environment Canada; Editor "Climate Research" (03-05); Editorial Board Member "Natural Hazards, IPCC Expert Reviewer 2007
William Kininmonth M.Sc., M.Admin., former head of Australia's National Climate Centre and a consultant to the World Meteorological organization's Commission for Climatology
Jan J.H. Kop, M.Sc. Ceng FICE (Civil Engineer Fellow of the Institution of Civil Engineers), Emeritus Professor of Public Health Engineering, Technical University Delft, The Netherlands
Professor R.W.J. Kouffeld, Emeritus Professor, Energy Conversion, Delft University of Technology, The Netherlands
Salomon Kroonenberg, PhD, Professor, Dept. of Geotechnology, Delft University of Technology, The Netherlands
Hans H.J. Labohm, PhD, economist, former advisor to the executive board, Clingendael Institute (The Netherlands Institute of International Relations), The Netherlands
The Rt. Hon. Lord Lawson of Blaby, economist; Chairman of the Central Europe Trust; former Chancellor of the Exchequer, U.K.
Douglas Leahey, PhD, meteorologist and air-quality consultant, Calgary, Canada
David R. Legates, PhD, Director, Center for Climatic Research, University of Delaware, U.S.
Marcel Leroux, PhD, Professor Emeritus of Climatology, University of Lyon, France; former director of Laboratory of Climatology, Risks and Environment, CNRS
Bryan Leyland, International Climate Science Coalition, consultant - power engineer, Auckland, New Zealand
William Lindqvist, PhD, consulting geologist and company director, Tiburon, California, U.S.
Richard S. Lindzen, PhD, Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology, Dept. of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, U.S.
A.J. Tom van Loon, PhD, Professor of Geology (Quaternary Geology), Adam Mickiewicz University, Poznan, Poland; former President of the European Association of Science Editors
Anthony R. Lupo, PhD, Associate Professor of Atmospheric Science, Dept. of Soil, Environmental, and Atmospheric Science, University of Missouri-Columbia, U.S.
Richard Mackey, PhD, Statistician, Australia
Horst Malberg, PhD, Professor for Meteorology and Climatology, Institut f?r Meteorologie, Berlin, Germany
John Maunder, PhD, Climatologist, former President of the Commission for Climatology of the World Meteorological Organization (89-97), New Zealand
Alister McFarquhar, PhD, international economist, Downing College, Cambridge, U.K.
Ross McKitrick, PhD, Associate Professor, Dept. of Economics, University of Guelph, Canada
John McLean, Climate Data Analyst, computer scientist, Melbourne, Australia
Owen McShane, B. Arch., Master of City and Regional Planning (UC Berkeley), economist and policy analyst, joint founder of the International Climate Science Coalition, Director - Centre for Resource Management Studies, New Zealand
Fred Michel, PhD, Director, Institute of Environmental Sciences and Associate Professor of Earth Sciences, Carleton University, Canada
Frank Milne, PhD, Professor, Dept. of Economics, Queen's University, Canada
Asmunn Moene, PhD, former head of the Forecasting Centre, Meteorological Institute, Norway
Alan Moran, PhD, Energy Economist, Director of the IPA's Deregulation Unit, Australia
Nils-Axel Morner, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Paleogeophysics & Geodynamics, Stockholm University, Sweden
Lubos Motl, PhD, physicist, former Harvard string theorist, Charles University, Prague, Czech Republic
John Nicol, PhD, physicist, James Cook University, Australia
Mr. David Nowell, M.Sc., Fellow of the Royal Meteorological Society, former chairman of the NATO Meteorological Group, Ottawa, Canada
James J. O'Brien, PhD, Professor Emeritus, Meteorology and Oceanography, Florida State University, U.S.
Cliff Ollier, PhD, Professor Emeritus (Geology), Research Fellow, University of Western Australia
Garth W. Paltridge, PhD, atmospheric physicist, Emeritus Professor and former Director of the Institute of Antarctic and Southern Ocean Studies, University of Tasmania, Australia
R. Timothy Patterson, PhD, Professor, Dept. of Earth Sciences (paleoclimatology), Carleton University, Canada
Al Pekarek, PhD, Associate Professor of Geology, Earth and Atmospheric Sciences Dept., St. Cloud State University, Minnesota, U.S.
Ian Plimer, PhD, Professor of Geology, School of Earth and Environmental Sciences, University of Adelaide and Emeritus Professor of Earth Sciences, University of Melbourne, Australia
Brian Pratt, PhD, Professor of Geology, Sedimentology, University of Saskatchewan, Canada
Harry N.A. Priem, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Planetary Geology and Isotope Geophysics, Utrecht University; former director of the Netherlands Institute for Isotope Geosciences
Alex Robson, PhD, Economics, Australian National University
Colonel F.P.M. Rombouts, Branch Chief - Safety, Quality and Environment, Royal Netherlands Air Force
R.G. Roper, PhD, Professor Emeritus of Atmospheric Sciences, School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences, Georgia Institute of Technology, U.S.
Arthur Rorsch, PhD, Emeritus Professor, Molecular Genetics, Leiden University, The Netherlands
Rob Scagel, M.Sc., forest microclimate specialist, principal consultant, Pacific Phytometric Consultants, B.C., Canada
Tom V. Segalstad, PhD, (Geology/Geochemistry), Head of the Geological Museum and Associate Professor of Resource and Environmental Geology, University of Oslo, Norway
Gary D. Sharp, PhD, Center for Climate/Ocean Resources Study, Salinas, CA, U.S.
S. Fred Singer, PhD, Professor Emeritus of Environmental Sciences, University of Virginia and former director, U.S. Weather Satellite Service
L. Graham Smith, PhD, Associate Professor, Dept. of Geography, University of Western Ontario, Canada
Roy W. Spencer, PhD, climatologist, Principal Research Scientist, Earth System Science Center, The University of Alabama, Huntsville, U.S.
Peter Stilbs, TeknD, Professor of Physical Chemistry, Research Leader, School of Chemical Science and Engineering, KTH (Royal Institute of Technology), Stockholm, Sweden
Hendrik Tennekes, PhD, former Director of Research, Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute
Dick Thoenes, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Chemical Engineering, Eindhoven University of Technology, The Netherlands
Brian G Valentine, PhD, PE (Chem.), Technology Manager - Industrial Energy Efficiency, Adjunct Associate Professor of Engineering Science, University of Maryland at College Park; Dept of Energy, Washington, DC, U.S.
Gerrit J. van der Lingen, PhD, geologist and paleoclimatologist, climate change consultant, Geoscience Research and Investigations, New Zealand
Len Walker, PhD, power engineering, Pict Energy, Melbourne, Australia
Edward J. Wegman, Bernard J. Dunn Professor, Department of Statistics and Department Computational and Data Sciences, George Mason University, Virginia, U.S.
Stephan Wilksch, PhD, Professor for Innovation and Technology Management, Production Management and Logistics, University of Technology and Economics Berlin, Germany
Boris Winterhalter, PhD, senior marine researcher (retired), Geological Survey of Finland, former professor in marine geology, University of Helsinki, Finland
david E. Wojick, PhD, P.Eng., UN IPCC Expert Reviewer, energy consultant, Virginia, U.S.
Raphael Wust, PhD, Lecturer, Marine Geology/Sedimentology, James Cook University, Australia
Zichichi, PhD, President of the World Federation of Scientists, Geneva, Switzerland; Emeritus Professor of Advanced Physics, University of Bologna, Italy.
please take it here.
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you know nothing will be solved, you will all just use quotes and stats to prove how right you are and go around in a circle. again
What we did to our seas and their habitats is probably just as (if not more) disastrous than global warming. And this is an area where we can definitely make a big difference.....yes, were little has been done to stop slaughtering animals to extinct, or poisoning our oceans with our wastes. At the end what matters is what we CAN do, not whether what we say is right or wrong.....and, yes, this topic has been discussed here a lot before.....so unless we start coming up with practical implementable ideas and actually do something, we just feed the mind in its never ending circles....yaahn...
There is abuse of statistics and hype on both sides of the argument and it is all too easy for either side to fill a list of 'experts' or graphic presentations.
However, anyone - scientist, housewife, garbo, whatever - who thinks +6 billion greedy humans are not having an enormous detrimental impact on our planet, is wearing deeply tinted rose glasses, or a believer in fairies and goblins I reckon.
Here is a bucket of sand:
You can either use it to brace against the rising tide or stick your head in it. 
BTW Bennie - as i suspected when i followed your link, the term used is "Global warming" a misleading and skewed poll perhaps? Climate change is very diiferant in meaning to the simplified "Global warming" term that pretty much all n sundry agree is inaccurate.
Gotta ask yourself if the site is interested in accuracy why are they using a loaded and out of date term?
Also who funds the research that each of these lab coat folks do? The all mighty funding dollar vocalises many and also silences many. Yes, I mean on both sides of the argumant also.
Finally, if we react strongly to reduce/re-use/recycle and lesson our reliance on poluting fuels/waste/manufacturing methods/lifestyles, then climate change turns out to be naff, what is the worst thing we have done? Helped to clean up the planet and change our laughably selfish and unsustainable ways? Not such a bad outcome really. 
Here I am, the moment you've all been waiting for!
After getting stoned last night I've come to the conclusion that we have 2.1 options.
1.- We kill each other... this will allow fittest people to live more comfortably, and the weak will be in heaven or get another chance later on.
2.- We all down grade... live in tents, ride bicycles and eat a bowl of rice a day. This will buy us some time.
2.1.- We down grade, and invest everything the human race has on Space Exploration. Yup let's face it, we have exceeded the carrying capacity of Earth and we need mo'space.
Personally I think we should start by making ALL packaging biodegradable.
That also means no products can enter Australia with non biodegradable packaging.
Never trust a bloke who couldn't face the time for his pony was up 20 yrs ago.
I can say that cause mine is due for the pasture any day! Still I don't have more hair at the back - than on top of my melon. Michael Bolton school of hair design? 
Oh, and we are heading for hadies in a hand basket the way we nonchalantly abuse this precious planet.
You don't have to trust him, he is a comedian (now deceased) expressing a point of view.
His point is that the planet is not ****ed, humans are, so he scoffs at people trying to "save the planet" because they are not trying to save the planet, they are trying to make humans life more comfortable.
Humans have been around for maybe 200,000 years, Earth 6 Billion years.
The planet has been through all kinds of disasters and what humans can do will be but a minor blip on the life cycle of the planet, if humans disappeared tomorrow, there would barely be a trace of us in 10,000 years.
interesting video on life after man >10,000 years
That's nice Bennie, a list of names? - are you a sheep?
Please please show me some CREDIBLE SCIENTIFIC report convincingly refuting climate change, I am yet to see one.
George Carlin is wonderful with his words, but his act has a few flaws; for example to suggest that rich liberals only want rid of climate change because now it's in their back yard, who do you think are the stakeholders in the taxed corporations?
To answer your question:
A tax on carbon dioxide will have the effect of lowering the amount of C02 emitted by raising the marginal cost of production such that the profit maximizing quantity of produce decreases - the result is less pollution. Simply put it is to compensate for the cost that the company does not incur (but should) in order that the market be economically efficient.
I don't think anyone refutes "climate change", I think what people disagree with/ dislike, is;
1. The hidden agendas and ulterior motives of the big heads using "climate change" as a convenient excuse/mask for commandeering tax payers (sheeples) funds.
2. That "climate change" is caused by man. Climate change is a fact of nature, it was always present and always will be whether man exists or not.
I agree with you Rowdy, you are one smart dude.
We humans are nature too and there are too many of us. We might eventually kill everything including ourselves, but nature and the planet will move on.
Ok, granted there is a natural course of change, however the rate of change being observed is far beyond the probabilistic distribution of the natural rate of change, and this 'structural break' has a high correlation with industrialization.
Remember these guys are professionals, it's not likely they made the assumption that we live with static climates in the first place...
There is a scientific theory and fitting empirical evidence, how much more do people want!?
Oh the planet will survive... we won't and nor will however many species. I don't think the phrase 'saving the planet' was ever to be taken literally anyway.
That's an impressive list Bennie, perhaps you could include a list of their sponsors.
In the immortal words of our beloved environment minister
" And if you blue sky mining company won't come to my rescue. Who's gonna save me? "
It's not that I don't trust them, trust is irrelevant.
Like Exon & James Hardy, they are profit driven companies.
I have a pretty impressive list of my own.
David Suzuki
Tim Flannery
I suggest all should read Tim Flannery's "The Weather Maker's"
The mere fact that he is pro nuclear would indicate to me he is a neutral observer.
Even if you take the view of ' Maybe it's an issue, maybe another Y2K fizzer'
Surely it's only being prudent to do what we can just in case. You insure your house don't you, even though you're not expecting it to be torched.
Another quote " Trust in God, but row away from the rocks"
Col
Well done Rowdy. The contents of that link are incredible!
www.infowars.com/climate-gate-is-your-fight/
Yet the brainwashed masses continue to defend this pack of charlitans.
To be honest talk of climate change is really dumb (no offence). Like countless people have pointed out it's always freaking changing, and will always change while the Earth revolves around the Sun.
The CO2 emissions has been the victim of my rants, and it's important that y'all get a clue, cos it's going to effect you and your family in a big way.
Since my last rant in another post I've received numerous messages making analogies with blankets and cars in the Sun... but the truth is that CO2 plays a very small part in warming and it's effectiveness as a GHG is equal to all other single state gases in relation to it's molecular mass.
Climate in the media and politics boils down to this question: Do you want to live in a socialist one world government, where the have nots are supported by the haves?
Last week, China told the world to go f*** its self.
The have nots were furious cos they didn't/wouldn't get the cash they were promised.
The haves said well if we all agree to give, then we will... they couldn't agree cos of China's derailing.
So you see my friends what you read and see on the TV is just to condition you, and has 0 to do with climate.
Riseing sea levels are a good thing.
I live 400meters from the beach,if my calculations are right,
In 20 years I should be living beach front......YEAHHHHHH
So every one help me out,
crank up you air cons,
buy a fuel guzzeling v8,
and get rid of your green material shopping bags.
and in return you can come and kite in my front yard
Found this after thinking and looking for some data unsuccessfully:
"Curiously, the revised monthly means for 1961-90 are exactly the same as those published for 1880-2004, though somehow we doubt that will lead to a rash of headlines stating that the world is really kind of average, temperature-wise."http://www.junkscience.com/MSU_Temps/Warming_Look.html
The site seems OK. I don't know how credible their data is, but if you look at it they've come up with the same result as Bob Carter's article yet unlike him they haven't gone ranting and raving in the media.
CO2 is only part of the problem, there is heaps of other greenhouse gasses which are heaps worse then CO2 like methane, when the perma frost melts in countrys like Siberia and Alaska were stuffed http://www.planetextinction.com/planet_extinction_permafrost.htm
i know the vast majority of people here think climate change is a load of S###, but what if your wrong
if you have kids or care what future generations are going to have to deal with then it might be time to change your views.
as a 17 year old who lives 5 meters above sea leavel its hard not to be worried
im sure of one thing though its getting harder to be optimistic 
p.s as COL said Tim Flannery's "The Weather Maker's" is worth the read
OMG Nickoff there we go again, "climate change"... get this in to your head... you live in a constantly changing biosphere.
what ever you reckon flysurfer, im sick of arguing with you
you just an example of one "im right about everything" D###heads who dont care about the future generations
Nickoff: I am a D###head and I think I'm right about things I've researched, but the problem is I do care for future generations... that's why I don't want simple people being hurt by their government.
Unfortunately I'm smart enough to see when I'm being conned by pseudoscience, and with basic chemistry, physics and maths I can figure out a lot of things, like that Building 7 (47 floor World trade center building) didn't collapse from an office fire on floors 9 & 11, and that CO2 taxation isn't going to help the environment... blah blah blah
There are countless truths people hold that don't hold up under rational analysis.
I have to put up with ridicule and being labelled a "conspiracy nut" by people who don't want to even listen to evidence if it conflicts with what the media informs them every 15 minutes on the hour... if didn't care I wouldn't bother, and I could invest the time in becoming a CO2 trader.
