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Does a stronger dollar mean cheaper gear?

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Created by BennyB12 > 9 months ago, 17 Oct 2010
DaylightDebt
WA, 296 posts
18 Oct 2010 3:52PM
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dusta said...

waxman said...
You are dreaming, factor in the price of shipping, adding a bar to that price which you obviously haven't and then add the extra charges coming through customs and lets see where your saving of $1500 have gone then. the average cost of a kite in Aus is between $1600-$2100 show me how you can save $1500 on that price, i would think the importers couldn't buy them at cost for what you are claiming.

Lets keep it real



no i am not , just ordered a 2011 13.5 obsession without a bar (which i dont need) for $1200 $AUD shipped to my door . just saved myself $800~ odd bucks considering a 13.5 in aus is around $2200 . Dreaming huh

Its the truth!



waxman
SA, 1390 posts
18 Oct 2010 6:49PM
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dusta said...

waxman said...
You are dreaming, factor in the price of shipping, adding a bar to that price which you obviously haven't and then add the extra charges coming through customs and lets see where your saving of $1500 have gone then. the average cost of a kite in Aus is between $1600-$2100 show me how you can save $1500 on that price, i would think the importers couldn't buy them at cost for what you are claiming.

Lets keep it real.







no i am not , just ordered a 2011 13.5 obsession without a bar (which i dont need) for $1200 $AUD shipped to my door . just saved myself $800~ odd bucks considering a 13.5 in aus is around $2200 . Dreaming huh




Your obviously not one for numbers.

Which shipping company did you use being a decent sized package, did you pay extra for insurance and tracking, all the postal services in the U.S have estimated delivery times that range from 5 days to 60-80 days and it isn't cheap. I know that a lot of companys have free shipping but that only applies to some areas in the U.S you may need to check how much they have charged to your Visa you might be in for a rude shock. Then be ready for it to clear customs, can add up to a extra month to the delivery time, you will have to pay GST on it if they get hold of it and they may not release it until you have paid it. Well that's if it rocks up at all, cheapskates get scammed all of the time on the net, what are you going to do when it rocks up and it's not what you ordered? Not much you can do.

djdojo
VIC, 1607 posts
18 Oct 2010 8:18PM
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At the risk of being un-PC, I'd like to side-step the arithmetic pedantry and point out that there are bargains to be had. I'm not saying that I agree with buying kites from OS, just that it's possible. They advertise that they will do cheap or free postage internationally on significant orders. Kite-line even say they will put a low price on the package to get it through customs without tax/duty.

I regularly buy specialist books from the states because they're either unavailable or ridiculously expensive in Australia. Even with the cheapest shipping they generally get here within a week.

I'll probably get flamed for this, but before you do, here's one more thing. Freedom of speech and thought increase your capacity to make a good choice. Withholding information is cynical.

Among the information that should not be withheld is the effect on local shops of buying bargains from OS. You should be thinking about how much you may need the help of your local shop in the where-to-buy equation.

For my wants however, the local shops in Melbourne have been generally pretty pathetic. Crappy service, poor gear recommendations when I was a beginner, and still for other beginners I meet who are sold unsuitable gear simply because it's in stock. KP in Sydney are the only shop I've had good experience with.

The Aussie importers will have to deal with this one way or another. I see it as an opportunity for them to offer a bigger pricepoint range and to collaborate with other countries' distributors in moving surplus stock. They could also advertise their real clearance prices online. You can always do better than the listed price when you make a phone call or drop in, but why lose customers by not advertising the real price?

I don't know the answer but I do know that parity will mean some local operators will see opportunity while others will fear change. Good luck boys and girls.

sleek1
VIC, 672 posts
18 Oct 2010 8:39PM
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thats kinda funny because i found both the major shops in melbs.pretty helpfull over the last eight years.Thats SHQ and R.P.S. Service realy helpful and being spot on with kite recommendations.Although it is no use trying to talk to one of their snowboard gurus who has never kited about kites.






















Lovely
QLD, 248 posts
18 Oct 2010 7:50PM
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Those prices are real cheap since our dollar is stronger.

Im not going to support the war though.
A portion of our money will end up in the US tax system and that's what keeps them in Afghanistan.
If they are in Afghanistan, they will want us over there getting shot at too.
I won't support America in any way what so ever.

Smedg
NSW, 836 posts
18 Oct 2010 9:55PM
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those prices don't really seem cheaper than shops here to me either. $1000 to $1200 isn't unheard of for last years stock on most brands of kites from most shops doing a good deal. Most kites i've bought have been new last year's model gear and I've usually paid about $1000. eg last year two brand new 09 waroos (9 and 13 with one bar/lines) for $1900 delivered to my door. Get into a shop get demos and you'll get similar prices to the web links above I think.

onemorehuey
NSW, 158 posts
18 Oct 2010 10:04PM
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Lovely said...

Those prices are real cheap since our dollar is stronger.

Im not going to support the war though.
A portion of our money will end up in the US tax system and that's what keeps them in Afghanistan.
If they are in Afghanistan, they will want us over there getting shot at too.
I won't support America in any way what so ever.


Mate turn on the news- Australia are already in Afghanistan?

Hiaza
WA, 19 posts
18 Oct 2010 7:24PM
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The way to do it is to fly to Maui & hand carry them back. Say you ride a Rebel 9m, that will set you back about 1900 (w/o bar) in Australia. These kites are available for about 900-1100 in Maui assuming you have a bar. On other brands the difference may be greater.
Buy 2 & that'll pay for your flights to Maui & back. I've done it. it works...

Say what you want about import duties etc. I know what the costs are whoelsale for kites. We get really screwed in this country.

Most of the kites are shipped direct from Sri Lanka, China or Vietnam, not from the US.....

Go figure......

Lovely
QLD, 248 posts
18 Oct 2010 9:52PM
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onemorehuey said...

Lovely said...

Those prices are real cheap since our dollar is stronger.

Im not going to support the war though.
A portion of our money will end up in the US tax system and that's what keeps them in Afghanistan.
If they are in Afghanistan, they will want us over there getting shot at too.
I won't support America in any way what so ever.


Mate turn on the news- Australia are already in Afghanistan?


Really, Sounds like everyone is investing in America, those guys are far from cool in my books
If I was prime minister we would have an American embargo

Bigwavedave
QLD, 2057 posts
18 Oct 2010 10:05PM
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dusta said...

waxman said...
You are dreaming, factor in the price of shipping, adding a bar to that price which you obviously haven't and then add the extra charges coming through customs and lets see where your saving of $1500 have gone then. the average cost of a kite in Aus is between $1600-$2100 show me how you can save $1500 on that price, i would think the importers couldn't buy them at cost for what you are claiming.

Lets keep it real.





no i am not , just ordered a 2011 13.5 obsession without a bar (which i dont need) for $1200 $AUD shipped to my door . just saved myself $800~ odd bucks considering a 13.5 in aus is around $2200 . Dreaming huh




Au$1200?

You will have to pay GST and import duty on that kite!

Thats $120 GST

and 5% import duty

thats another $180 on top of your $1200

Plenty of kite only packages around for 2011 gear for that.

You've been had mate for a kite with no warranty!!

DaylightDebt
WA, 296 posts
18 Oct 2010 8:06PM
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Lovely said...

onemorehuey said...

Lovely said...

Those prices are real cheap since our dollar is stronger.

Im not going to support the war though.
A portion of our money will end up in the US tax system and that's what keeps them in Afghanistan.
If they are in Afghanistan, they will want us over there getting shot at too.
I won't support America in any way what so ever.


Mate turn on the news- Australia are already in Afghanistan?


Really, Sounds like everyone is investing in America, those guys are far from cool in my books
If I was prime minister we would have an American embargo



thankfully, nobody had those feelings in the 40s when Japan came knocking. idiot!

laurie
WA, 3848 posts
18 Oct 2010 8:11PM
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Just a reminder, that in most instances this kind of topic has been locked/deleted because it's historically gone downhill.

I know there are guys out there who are chasing saving $. I'm one of them, as I'm still flying 2008 kites, but I will always shop locally.

My dollar stays here and supports our local economy. I come from a country town, and I know that when the locals spend outside the town, the town suffers. Australia is just the same .. just on a bigger scale.

With that in mind, can I please can I ask one favour?

Would you mind, as a bit of courtesy to the supporters of this site, that you refrain from promoting links to overseas sites, and show your support for local industry.

If you're not happy with your local, certainly find a new one, but one of the reasons these topics have failed in the past is that "shop haters" find this topic an excellent platform to bag out there local dislike.

Please, support your local shop, if you can. We're all in this together.


Bigwavedave
QLD, 2057 posts
18 Oct 2010 10:19PM
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^^^yay!! most sensiblest thing said all day!

GreenPat
QLD, 4083 posts
18 Oct 2010 11:04PM
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laurie said...


I know there are guys out there who are chasing saving $. I'm one of them, as I'm still flying 2008 kites


NJPornstar said...


Laurie is actually the richest kitesurfer in Australia



Obviously not...

You know who gets a raw deal? Seabreeze admin. I'm still on 07 kites.

Lovely
QLD, 248 posts
18 Oct 2010 11:09PM
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DaylightDebt said...

Lovely said...

onemorehuey said...

Lovely said...

Those prices are real cheap since our dollar is stronger.

Im not going to support the war though.
A portion of our money will end up in the US tax system and that's what keeps them in Afghanistan.
If they are in Afghanistan, they will want us over there getting shot at too.
I won't support America in any way what so ever.


Mate turn on the news- Australia are already in Afghanistan?


Really, Sounds like everyone is investing in America, those guys are far from cool in my books
If I was prime minister we would have an American embargo



thankfully, nobody had those feelings in the 40s when Japan came knocking. idiot!



70 years ago.
What about the Romans in Algeria that was a big impact we had great control over.

Times have moved on. War isn't the solution. Theres other ways to cripple and thats finacially. Our dollar will only get stronger if we stop buying American products.

War is long and painful like this song.


DaylightDebt
WA, 296 posts
18 Oct 2010 9:18PM
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Im no war monger,

theres just no profit in peace!!



INfiniDIE
WA, 478 posts
18 Oct 2010 10:01PM
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Well I have been supporting my locals lately, There is something so much nicer when you're buying a kite from someone who you can talk to in person, can help you with repairs/returns if necessary, can chew the fat with, go demo the kite with. Whilst you may be able to get it cheaper O/Seas, I still think the local lads have the strong arm.

Plus is you're a horrible budget=er like I am, it's much easier to just drive down the road and spend your weeks pay for something instantly fun, rather than waiting for weeks at the mailbox

lostinlondon
VIC, 1159 posts
19 Oct 2010 1:27AM
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laurie said...

Just a reminder, that in most instances this kind of topic has been locked/deleted because it's historically gone downhill.

I know there are guys out there who are chasing saving $. I'm one of them, as I'm still flying 2008 kites, but I will always shop locally.

My dollar stays here and supports our local economy. I come from a country town, and I know that when the locals spend outside the town, the town suffers. Australia is just the same .. just on a bigger scale.

With that in mind, can I please can I ask one favour?

Would you mind, as a bit of courtesy to the supporters of this site, that you refrain from promoting links to overseas sites, and show your support for local industry.

If you're not happy with your local, certainly find a new one, but one of the reasons these topics have failed in the past is that "shop haters" find this topic an excellent platform to bag out there local dislike.

Please, support your local shop, if you can. We're all in this together.





I don't actually believe this is a shop problem, it's the importers who bring the gear into Australia that have the upper hand. They set the wholesale price to the retailers and the retailers have to mark up by X% to make a profit, it's as simple as that.

When the AUD goes up, the cost saving is not handed on by the wholesaler. Conversely, when the AUD goes DOWN, the price increase is immediately handed on to the retailer.

But blind support for local business is also bad for the customer. If you vote with you wallet, the retailers will have to put pressure on the wholesaler to lower their prices in order for the retailer to maintain a profitable margin.

There are so many things that are crazily cheaper in the US than they are here, even big ticket items like some European cars are twice the price they are in the States. And you can't say all of the difference is the cost of shipping, they still have to be shipped to the US from Europe. Even the volume of sales argument doesn't hold much water for kites, its a niche product, even in the States.

Also, you have to remember that most of the increase in the AUD value is due to a DROP in the value of the USD - if you look at our value against Pound Sterling and the Euro, these have stayed pretty constant in recent months. So, while retailers are clearing out their currently held stock in the US, things will seem cheap. Once inflation hits the States, things will seem less cheap.

And this probably the most contentious thing I am going to say - local kiteshops are likely to go into decline, as the market consolidates - those that can and are willing to provide a genuinely unique and excellent service will survive, whilst those that don't will go under - its the nature of business and we shouldn't be moaning about it. Look at the PC industry - 15 years ago there used to be local shops everywhere but now the market has changed and consolidated. You just have to look at St Kilda Beach - There are 3 (4?) schools running there all selling gear - plus SHQ down in Sandringham - they can't all survive and I have my suspicions on who will fold first. (I also have my suspicion on who will be the most successful, based on the range of services they are starting to provide)

The great thing about the internet is that you can do a ton of research without leaving home, and get hold of products that used to require a day (week) trip somewhere to purchase, without leaving your loungeroom!

I'm going to say something else contentious... But if you spend money on a brand of kite that you know and trust - these days what is the likelihood of it being absolutely terrible? I would say - not very - I would be happy to go drop money on a new Naish kite and be confident it would service my needs, especially with a little research. So if I could save $500 off one because of a better exchange rate then I would go for it.

Competition is a good thing - loyalty is good too - but blind loyalty is the worst thing! It keeps uncompetitive businesses alive and hurts your wallet!

bennie
ACT, 1258 posts
19 Oct 2010 1:28AM
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If you really want to support locals, why not buy from aussie owned companys like cardboards/griffin/new/and fluid(I think). They make great products, offer exellent support, and are generally very competetive with their pricing.

dusta
WA, 2940 posts
18 Oct 2010 10:35PM
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Bigwavedave said...


Au$1200?

You will have to pay GST and import duty on that kite!

Thats $120 GST

and 5% import duty

thats another $180 on top of your $1200






obviously never imported stuff have you ?


dusta
WA, 2940 posts
18 Oct 2010 10:36PM
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bennie said...

If you really want to support locals, why not buy from aussie owned companys like cardboards/griffin/new/and fluid(I think). They make great products, offer exellent support, and are generally very competetive with their pricing.


funnily enough guess what my latest board was .. a cardboards as it was made by an aussie and the dollar stays here . Exactly what you said . Thats supporting a local business and the dollar staying here .

lostinlondon
VIC, 1159 posts
19 Oct 2010 1:47AM
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dusta said...

bennie said...

If you really want to support locals, why not buy from aussie owned companys like cardboards/griffin/new/and fluid(I think). They make great products, offer exellent support, and are generally very competetive with their pricing.


funnily enough guess what my latest board was .. a cardboards as it was made by an aussie and the dollar stays here . Exactly what you said . Thats supporting a local business and the dollar staying here .


Actually Cardboards is a great example of where things will head this century and where Australia should be focussing - leave mass production to China and Korea we just can't compete - Mass Customisation is where it's at- You can order a board exactly to your riding style with the graphics you want, all online. The board is fabricated especially for you and delivered to you door within what, a week? And the price is competive against standard mass produced boards.

dusta
WA, 2940 posts
19 Oct 2010 12:10AM
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i think from time i paid to time i got it was err 7-8 days or something stupidly quick yes

Bigwavedave
QLD, 2057 posts
19 Oct 2010 3:33AM
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dusta said...

Bigwavedave said...


Au$1200?

You will have to pay GST and import duty on that kite!

Thats $120 GST

and 5% import duty

thats another $180 on top of your $1200






obviously never imported stuff have you ?




all the time. anything over a grand is dutiable

www.homeaffairs.gov.au/

djdojo
VIC, 1607 posts
19 Oct 2010 11:17AM
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lostinlondon said...

But blind support for local business is also bad for the customer. If you vote with you wallet, the retailers will have to put pressure on the wholesaler to lower their prices in order for the retailer to maintain a profitable margin.


And this probably the most contentious thing I am going to say - local kiteshops are likely to go into decline, as the market consolidates - those that can and are willing to provide a genuinely unique and excellent service will survive, whilst those that don't will go under - its the nature of business and we shouldn't be moaning about it. Look at the PC industry - 15 years ago there used to be local shops everywhere but now the market has changed and consolidated. You just have to look at St Kilda Beach - There are 3 (4?) schools running there all selling gear - plus SHQ down in Sandringham - they can't all survive and I have my suspicions on who will fold first. (I also have my suspicion on who will be the most successful, based on the range of services they are starting to provide)

Competition is a good thing - loyalty is good too - but blind loyalty is the worst thing! It keeps uncompetitive businesses alive and hurts your wallet!


Could not agree more. I will support my local if and when they provide decent service. I don't owe my local shops a thing though. Just because a business is in the same city as me doesn't mean I owe them. I don't rely on them for repairs or spare parts or any of the other little things that it's claimed only a local can provide. A rationalisation of the Melbourne retail scene is well in order.

Still, I would like to keep my money in Australia, both for political reasons and back-up service. For warranty issues, spare parts and repairs, there's no difference to me whether I post my stuff across Melbourne or up to Sydney but there's a big difference for me between dealing with an Aussie shop and some place in Florida.

Shops can earn my loyalty, but they can't guilt trip me into it just because they are in the same city.

Again, shifting rates will spell opportunity to the smart operators in the Aussie kite scene and fear to those who think that sharing a postcode with someone should be enough to make them your customer.

bjw
QLD, 3620 posts
19 Oct 2010 11:04AM
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Im proud to own a locally bought kite.

Now Im going to smoke some Afghanastan Crack, then shoot some rounds of my American made Remington gun into my Japanese TV.

Long live Capitalism

dusta
WA, 2940 posts
19 Oct 2010 9:35AM
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Bigwavedave said...

dusta said...

Bigwavedave said...


Au$1200?

You will have to pay GST and import duty on that kite!

Thats $120 GST

and 5% import duty

thats another $180 on top of your $1200






obviously never imported stuff have you ?




all the time. anything over a grand is dutiable

www.homeaffairs.gov.au/



not the brightest are you ?

the gibbo
WA, 776 posts
19 Oct 2010 9:42AM
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go to some other forum if you want to make dumb comments about wars/politics

this is a kite forum

dont bitch about people making money or feeling that you get ripped of, its freedom of choice go buy on the net if you want, every business owner has to make money or they dont exist

what about the shops/distributors that support team riders donate to charity's/events etc, this is everyones responsibility to support this to certain degree so as the progression of any given sport continues

if business doesnt make money where does the r+d money come from ??
the awsome kite your flying didnt just happen to make itself overnight

dont worry be happy stay local if you can

poor relative
WA, 9089 posts
19 Oct 2010 10:20AM
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I always buy local when it comes to kites.

I like th epersonal service, the banter and i always walk away happy that i have had a great deal and my money is going to a person i know rather than some strange unknown overseas.
Its the personal thing.

Plus when i creased my board my retailer provided me with the necessary paperwork - which i had lost - to make a warranty claim, lent me a new board and kept me on the water for those weeks.
When i went on holiday they lent me a small kite to go with so i could get out in nuking conditions. When i ripped my kite they lent me a demo so i could stay on the water. When i went to get new gear they gave me great prices, when i wanted spare bits they had them when i......... do i need to go on.

There are many things your friendly local retailer will give you that the interwebz will not - including a smile - this to me is worth spending a little more.

waxman
SA, 1390 posts
19 Oct 2010 1:28PM
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poor relative said...

I always buy local when it comes to kites.

I like th epersonal service, the banter and i always walk away happy that i have had a great deal and my money is going to a person i know rather than some strange unknown overseas.
Its the personal thing.

Plus when i creased my board my retailer provided me with the necessary paperwork - which i had lost - to make a warranty claim, lent me a new board and kept me on the water for those weeks.
When i went on holiday they lent me a small kite to go with so i could get out in nuking conditions. When i ripped my kite they lent me a demo so i could stay on the water. When i went to get new gear they gave me great prices, when i wanted spare bits they had them when i......... do i need to go on.

There are many things your friendly local retailer will give you that the interwebz will not - including a smile - this to me is worth spending a little more.


Spot on PR, i have had similar experiences with buying local. I have also seen the local kite shop take back gear that didn't suit the ridder and given them a different size or brand of kite at no extra charge to keep them happy. I have also seen them trade in old gear at a market price to get good customers out on new gear, often the shop can loose money on some of there deals but for a lot of shop owners making the maximum amount of money is not why they do it.

I will always shop local, last year if i didn't i would have spent the second half of the season off the water but instead i got given kites and boards as warranty issues were sorted out. Some warranty claims can be quickly dismissed by shops and importers so having a good relationship generally has the local kite shop push that extra bit to give you a fair outcome.



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