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FAAASSST raceboard clip

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Created by djdojo > 9 months ago, 18 Jul 2011
djdojo
VIC, 1607 posts
19 Jul 2011 12:25AM
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Just came across this vid which, among the fin pimping, has some sweet footage of how fast a top course racer goes.

Spacemonkey!
SA, 2288 posts
19 Jul 2011 12:27AM
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What's with holding the depower strap in one hand when the bar isn't fixed anyway? Kites don't really need to be trimmed that much in most conditions, particularly hooked in with a reasonable throw on the chicken loop. To me any amount of trimming he is doing with the depower strap he could do with more precision with the bar, it would certainly be hard to be precise working the bar and depower strap at the same time/pointless.

Also, "I think kite and board designs will stabilize, one area which we will continually be able to innovate and improve on is fin foils" LOL could not talk more **** if he tried.

terminal
1421 posts
19 Jul 2011 1:31AM
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I think using the trimming line allows them to keep a good stance with their weight outboard and therefore hold more power.

Bit of speed on an Aguera slalom board at the end of this clip.



terminal
1421 posts
19 Jul 2011 1:49AM
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One of the faster course races.

INTHELOOP
QLD, 1855 posts
19 Jul 2011 10:35AM
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the dude is heaps fast i would like to believe because of his fins

djdojo
VIC, 1607 posts
19 Jul 2011 10:59AM
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Spacemonkey! said...

What's with holding the depower strap in one hand when the bar isn't fixed anyway? Kites don't really need to be trimmed that much in most conditions, particularly hooked in with a reasonable throw on the chicken loop. To me any amount of trimming he is doing with the depower strap he could do with more precision with the bar, it would certainly be hard to be precise working the bar and depower strap at the same time/pointless.



I doubt he'd modify his trim system unless it yielded some advantages. He seems to have been at the front of course racing evolution for a few years now so regardless of what he says on the beach, I'd say his results on the water justify his mods.

From a technical perspective, it seems like racers are using big enough kites to go very deep downwind which means that they'll be on the edge upwind, and so anything that lets them keep their weight further outboard through gusts and lulls will be rewarded with efficiency and control gains.

INTHELOOP
QLD, 1855 posts
19 Jul 2011 11:39AM
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usually they are using a bit bigger kites in racing that you normally would and ride the kites a bit more powered, then you can adjust trim/power of the kite while you riding with your depower strap while keeping the bar pressure point on so kite doesnt loose power when flagging out. works well

19 Jul 2011 1:03PM
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Spacemonkey! said...

What's with holding the depower strap in one hand when the bar isn't fixed anyway? Kites don't really need to be trimmed that much in most conditions, particularly hooked in with a reasonable throw on the chicken loop. To me any amount of trimming he is doing with the depower strap he could do with more precision with the bar, it would certainly be hard to be precise working the bar and depower strap at the same time/pointless.

Also, "I think kite and board designs will stabilize, one area which we will continually be able to innovate and improve on is fin foils" LOL could not talk more **** if he tried.


You don't understand whats going on then, look from 2.44 for the next 10-12 seconds, look at how he hooks upwind after that tack when he pulls is a swag of trim!

What do you know about kite racing and fin design that makes you sure Adam is talking ****???

Hobie1463
SA, 449 posts
19 Jul 2011 12:52PM
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I understand what is is doing.

Just like sailing perfect trim makes you go faster. The less you sheet in and out the faster you go.

He is just sheeting in and out with the the depower strap.

We used the same trim style on our F18 catamaran for years before I seen the light.



Spacemonkey!
SA, 2288 posts
19 Jul 2011 1:08PM
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Kitepower Australia said...

Spacemonkey! said...

What's with holding the depower strap in one hand when the bar isn't fixed anyway? Kites don't really need to be trimmed that much in most conditions, particularly hooked in with a reasonable throw on the chicken loop. To me any amount of trimming he is doing with the depower strap he could do with more precision with the bar, it would certainly be hard to be precise working the bar and depower strap at the same time/pointless.

Also, "I think kite and board designs will stabilize, one area which we will continually be able to innovate and improve on is fin foils" LOL could not talk more **** if he tried.


You don't understand whats going on then, look from 2.44 for the next 10-12 seconds, look at how he hooks upwind after that tack when he pulls is a swag of trim!

What do you know about kite racing and fin design that makes you sure Adam is talking ****???


I just can't imagine that there is too much more to improve on in fin design compared to kite and board, just my opinion. As for the depower strap I was more talking about when cruising along, obviously when going upwind/downwind you need to adjust trim.

I'm pretty sure you got a sailing background steve? On a yacht trimming the sails is a very precise thing, if the bar is mobile and moving in and out slightly and your also moving the depower strap in and out when cruising along it seems to me your adjusting the trim twice.

Once you got the depower strap set right you should be able to trim mostly from the bar unless very gusty etc. I would imagine. Just theory crafting.

djdojo
VIC, 1607 posts
19 Jul 2011 5:20PM
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For ex-windsurfers, pulling in on your front hand and easing your back hand slightly to to sheet out comes naturally. Perhaps having a relative movement between hands (and he always has the trim in his front hand and bar in his back) is better to keep a stable centre of gravity than having both hands move in as a gust hits. Yes he could keep his front hand out of it altogether, but I'm suspecting he's thought of that too. There seem to be pulleys on the trim so he's got maybe 3:1 power there, hence the long trim line (as well as it letting him keep more outboard).

Who knows, maybe someone who knows Adam could rope him into posting on Seabreeze and enlightening us all?

Jedibrad
NSW, 527 posts
19 Jul 2011 5:24PM
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The guy who crosses the line first can do and say whatever he wants

Puetz
NT, 2177 posts
19 Jul 2011 5:26PM
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Spacemonkey! said...

Kitepower Australia said...

Spacemonkey! said...

What's with holding the depower strap in one hand when the bar isn't fixed anyway? Kites don't really need to be trimmed that much in most conditions, particularly hooked in with a reasonable throw on the chicken loop. To me any amount of trimming he is doing with the depower strap he could do with more precision with the bar, it would certainly be hard to be precise working the bar and depower strap at the same time/pointless.

Also, "I think kite and board designs will stabilize, one area which we will continually be able to innovate and improve on is fin foils" LOL could not talk more **** if he tried.


You don't understand whats going on then, look from 2.44 for the next 10-12 seconds, look at how he hooks upwind after that tack when he pulls is a swag of trim!

What do you know about kite racing and fin design that makes you sure Adam is talking ****???


I just can't imagine that there is too much more to improve on in fin design compared to kite and board, just my opinion. As for the depower strap I was more talking about when cruising along, obviously when going upwind/downwind you need to adjust trim.

I'm pretty sure you got a sailing background steve? On a yacht trimming the sails is a very precise thing, if the bar is mobile and moving in and out slightly and your also moving the depower strap in and out when cruising along it seems to me your adjusting the trim twice.

Once you got the depower strap set right you should be able to trim mostly from the bar unless very gusty etc. I would imagine. Just theory crafting.


... it is hard to imagine, but they might be doing for kiteboarding, what the guys did with keels ala- Australia 2 winged keel? Hydrodynamics is an amazing thing!

cheers,

Robbie

terminal
1421 posts
19 Jul 2011 6:02PM
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If you look at the clip from Fuerteventura, you can see the bent over stance the sailors have to adopt to be able to sheet the bar in and out far enough.

Then compare that to Johnny Heineken or Adam Koch who finished first and second in this years world championship, and you can see that the trim line is an extra level in performance - when you can do it well.

The film was made for Rista fins, so that may explain the emphasis on fins. I expect more development on boards, even more development on fins, but I expect that kites are still the area that will develop most for lightwind racing - if there is no cost capping.



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